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geoff m
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Finally gets under way.

Why on earth would another trainer want to "get at" Morrisons 60 ish rated maiden hcapper. SOunds a bit like tea fron china "far fetched"



The long-awaited Hughie Morrison anabolic steroid inquiry got under way on Tuesday with a dramatic claim that another trainer threatened to “get at” the filly at the centre of the case.

The hearing at BHA headquarters in London concerns a positive test for nandrolone taken from the Morrison-trained Our Little Sister after she had finished last in a two-mile handicap at Wolverhampton on January 14.

The names of the other trainer and her partner were put forward by Morrison’s barrister as “people who might be of interest” to the inquiry.
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Report Eont December 20, 2017 10:58 AM GMT
Yes plus 3 others and his expert witness was dismissed.

I cannot believe the kitchen sink has not been blamed or the horses alleged fling with a certain Premiership Football manager was not mentioned.
Report TheFear December 20, 2017 12:37 PM GMT
don't believe him but also don't believe it was a "random" test
Report acey deucy December 20, 2017 3:11 PM GMT
I hear a rival female Trainer was mentioned....Any Ideas?
Report NEVIS B December 20, 2017 3:18 PM GMT
Be interesting to find out!

I note no female trainers had a runner in said race
Report onlooker December 20, 2017 5:46 PM GMT
4 Female Trainers had runners at the meeting.

2 Northern - 1 Midlands - 1 Southern.

However, McPherson did not suggest that either the trainer or her partner "pressed the plunger", or indeed instructed anybody else to do so, and the BHA dismissed their relevance to the case, having conducted interviews.
Report frances melly,so is italy. December 20, 2017 5:51 PM GMT
Can we name names?
Report Deltâ December 20, 2017 9:49 PM GMT
yes
Report Facts December 21, 2017 9:41 AM GMT
The horse and/or the race it was running in, is an irrelevance. If someone has doped the horse, it was to ' get Morrison '
Report TheFear December 21, 2017 10:24 AM GMT
going to the trouble of accessing steroids and then injecting them into a horse that was only tested by pure fluke. Ummm ok facts
Report sparrow December 21, 2017 10:52 AM GMT
No matter what has happened here Morrison is not a trainer I would trust
Report TheFear December 21, 2017 10:58 AM GMT
Why is that sparrow?
Report Eont December 21, 2017 11:08 AM GMT
After reading various press reports that obviously do not show the full facts, this case feels a bit like a case in Australia where the drug was given to the wrong horse.

It is fair to say certain procedures at racecourses need review and improvements (assuming the racecourse follows them). Though in life in general procedures can usually be improved upon.
Report foxy December 21, 2017 11:29 AM GMT
cant be bothered looking back at the fixture did g kellaway have a runner ?
Report TheFear December 21, 2017 11:50 AM GMT
Pretty low to bring other trainers into it actually. They must be livid with him as the name will leak out. And other trainers' names will be thrown into the mix to tainting them as well. Good ol Hughie.
Report sparrow December 21, 2017 11:53 AM GMT
TheFear    21 Dec 17 10:58 
Why is that sparrow?






I find that his horses cannot be relied upon to run to form and therefore never back them.  Do you trust him thefear?
Report impossible123 December 21, 2017 12:02 PM GMT
From what have been reported the "verdict" would have to be guilty, I believe, because nothing factual has come to light to suggest otherwise. But the penalty could vary from lenient to a short ban or suspension from racing given good past history and character / standing in the racing community.

I do not think he did what he had been accused of, though.
Report TheFear December 21, 2017 12:16 PM GMT
i didn't have a big opinion on him before this case sparrow
Report Facts December 21, 2017 12:20 PM GMT
TheFear    21 Dec 17 10:24 
going to the trouble of accessing steroids and then injecting them into a horse that was only tested by pure fluke. Ummm ok facts





So what's your theory - and the rational behind it ?
Report carrot1960 December 21, 2017 12:28 PM GMT
Hard to figure out what he needs most a theatrical agent or a ghost writer
Report onlooker December 21, 2017 1:30 PM GMT
This case is certainly a very odd scenario.

Both sides - the BHA and Morrison - have offered something of 'Alice in Wonderland' 'evidence'.

Morrison's claim that, "another trainer threatened to 'get at' his filly."  - leaves the open question ... WHY?

TheBHA Enquiry has, "dismissed the relevance to the case, having conducted interviews."

On the other hand - the BHA maintain that the test on Morrison's filly was entirely, "RANDOM," - with the BHA Stipendiary Steward on duty having logged the test as such.

There is at least ONE RANDOM Test at every meeting.

64 horses were Declared for the meeting - 5 became non-runners.

Backer or Layer - at 58/1 - that the Morrison filly would RANDOMLY be tested?

20 days after the race - a BHA Inspection/Testing team turned up, unannounced, at DAWN at Morrison's stables - when Morrison would probably still be UNAWARE of the outcome of the random test on his filly at Wolverhampton.

75 horses were tested at his stables - and all were clear, including the filly Our Little Sister.

Only 5 horses in Morrison's yard are rated lower than (the currently 48-rated) Our Little Sister - who is hardly bred to be a broodmare, even if she were to win a race - so it is difficult to see what nefarious motivation there could be for trying to win this  £2,587 race.

It is truly fascinating ... from BOTH sides of the fence.
Report onlooker December 22, 2017 12:19 PM GMT
Morrison fined £1,000 and escapes ban after conclusion of anabolic steroid case

By Tom Kerr
12:08PM, DEC 22 2017

Hughie Morrison has avoided a ban following the conclusion of the Our Little Sister doping case, with the disciplinary panel imposing a £1,000 fine after determining the trainer was not involved in administering an anabolic steroid to the filly.

This story is being updated and more news will follow shortly.
Report TheFear December 22, 2017 12:24 PM GMT
what a terrible decision
Report acey deucy December 22, 2017 12:35 PM GMT
Laughable.
Report DenzilPenberthy December 22, 2017 12:45 PM GMT
If they can establish that the drug was administered on the day then the whole case is laughable nevermind the outcome  given the reality of anabolic hormone peds and how they are used for sports performance
Report DenzilPenberthy December 22, 2017 12:52 PM GMT
i.e if I took a shed load of steroids now my 100m times wouldn't improve at all by 2pm no training/rest/recovery/time etc to improve performance someone was probably out to get him
Report pablo-fanque December 22, 2017 12:57 PM GMT
denzil , just out of interest , how fast due you usually run 100m without steroids Confused
Report DenzilPenberthy December 22, 2017 1:01 PM GMT
including the break at halfway?
Report pandora1963 December 22, 2017 1:01 PM GMT
silver spoon trainer, friends with royalty, he will get off scot free
Report geordie1956 December 22, 2017 1:02 PM GMT
Presumably the "other" trainer has been accused of some considerable wrongdoing; can they litigate against Morrison as i don't see any evidence to substantiate his allegation
Report elise December 22, 2017 1:02 PM GMT
a lot of this case doesn't make much sense
Report Mick Sturbs December 22, 2017 1:04 PM GMT
So other trainers can now use the defence "i didn't do it someone was out to get me"
Report TheFear December 22, 2017 1:10 PM GMT
of course mick. the trainers got what they wanted aided by the useless press
Report geordie1956 December 22, 2017 1:16 PM GMT
what does a "familiar" trainer have to do to get banned?
must be more than one set of rules available to be used by the BHA depending on the "name" involved when foul play involved
Report 1st time poster December 22, 2017 1:21 PM GMT
seems to me if its a low grade horse and you havnt got much to win you can use drugs without a care in the world,the only way to go is to treat him as though it was the derby fav and if he thinks theres skulduggery at play pass it on to the police
Report TheFear December 22, 2017 1:27 PM GMT
The main thing to do is keep good records of the genuine medications you use. The BHA seem to love this! Hahahaha
Report Dr Gonzo December 22, 2017 1:29 PM GMT
The latest in a long line of ludicrous decisions by the Judicial Panel.

They've concluded that it was done by some other person, whom they don't know, for a reason, which they also don't know. There doesn't seem to be shred of evidence provided to support that conclusion. I'd say it's laughable, but it isn't; it's a farce.

Regardless of the outcome relating to the original offence, some of the behaviour by Morrison, and those acting on his behalf, during the investigation is outrageous, and makes a complete mockery of the derisory 'punishment' he's been given.
Report TheFear December 22, 2017 1:31 PM GMT
he's posh though and he went to the right school and has good family connections
Report elise December 22, 2017 1:35 PM GMT
wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they got samples mixed up and had chased the wrong trainer, don't really have a great deal of faith in the bha and the running of the sport
Report sewter lives again December 22, 2017 1:35 PM GMT
I wonder if he will apologize to the other trainer
Report carrot1960 December 22, 2017 1:36 PM GMT
Another BHA farce , so all any trainer has to do from now on is stay in the yard and plead ignorance and aliens did it.
Report carrot1960 December 22, 2017 1:39 PM GMT
I hope  Miss Pickard sues Morrison for a "bundle"
Report elise December 22, 2017 1:42 PM GMT
there's a first bit of press release up re the bha and it's stance, the panel bit is to follow
Report 1st time poster December 22, 2017 1:43 PM GMT
if it was a bha clanger, sickner for Morrison ,who must have had this cocked up get out of jail free card story ,locked in the safe for years and has ended up using it on the lowest rated horse in the yard, LaughLaugh
Report impossible123 December 22, 2017 1:44 PM GMT
Extremely lenient, £1000 fine? Outrageously lenient.

Yep 'carrot', for defamation of character. X'mas could come early for Ms Pickard.
Report Dr Gonzo December 22, 2017 1:45 PM GMT
In fairness to the BHA, I don't think there's too much they've done wrong here - they presented a good case, the overwhelming majority of which appears to have been accepted by the Judicial Panel. It's their inexplicable decision that is the issue.

The actions of Morrison's private investigator (directly appointed by Morrison, outside of his legal team) are what should be looked into now. The exchange between the investigator and Imogen Pickard, requesting that she amend her statements to the BHA in exchange for £10,000, might be considered by some to be very suspicious...
Report carrot1960 December 22, 2017 1:51 PM GMT
Trainer Hughie Morrison has been handed the minimum fine of £1,000 and ruled not to blame by an independent disciplinary panel of the British Horseracing Authority after one of his horses failed a drugs test at the start of the year.

Morrison attended a two-day hearing at BHA headquarters in London earlier this week, with Our Little Sister having tested positive for the banned substance nandrolone following a race at Wolverhampton on January 14.

East Ilsley-based Morrison, 57, vehemently denied any wrongdoing and offered a £10,000 cash reward for anyone that could help prove his innocence after the charges were first announced in May.

On the disciplinary panel verdict, Morrison told Press Association Sport: "I can't really comment as I don't want to say the wrong thing and there will be a statement.

"However, we're obviously over the moon. There's no ban, we've been completely exonerated so the hell of the last 11 months can be forgotten.

"All my staff are having a celebration now and it's very emotional."

Our Little Sister returned a positive test after she finished last of eight runners in an extended two-mile handicap, in which she was sent off at odds of 12/1.

She raced once more, when down the field at Southwell 12 days later, and has since been retired. That was her third run that month, having finished fourth there on January 2.

"Mr Morrison was not involved"
The disciplinary panel said in its reasoning: "In the light of the finding that Mr Morrison was not involved in the administration, would it be right to disqualify him? The guide does indeed give that recommendation, and the panel can see why a trainer might suffer that sanction simply because the use of 'prohibited at all times' drugs like steroids occurs on his watch as the responsible person.

"There might be cases where a panel is left in real doubt as to whether the trainer was involved in this. Then, it might be said, a discretion to impose a penalty of disqualification is justified unless the trainer positively satisfies the panel that he was not involved. But that is not this case. The panel decided that Mr Morrison was not involved.

"There is no suggestion that his security precautions and practices were so lax that he bears responsibility in that sense. On the contrary, the evidence showed his security practices were adequate and found to be adequate from time to time by BHA stable inspections."

It went on: "The entry point in such cases is £1,000. The panel did indeed consider whether in the light of its findings it should impose just a nominal penalty on Mr Morrison of, say, £1.

"But it felt that at the end of the day it was right to impose the entry level penalty referred to of £1,000.

"Though this may be an area ripe for reconsideration, the panel can see that there is a reason to impose fines of that substance, even in cases where trainers may demonstrate a lack of fault. Such fines can act as a practical encouragement to try to explain exactly how positive samples have been produced."

"Racing is based on fair play"
The independent disciplinary panel concluded that the nandrolone was administered intentionally "by person or persons unknown, for unknown reasons".

The panel also suggested that Our Little Sister may have been given the banned substance "to target Mr Morrison, but even that remains speculative".

Jamie Stier, chief regulatory officer for the BHA, said: "Racing is based on fair play and respect for the rules. That's how we earn the trust and confidence of the participants and all those who watch or bet on our sport, without whom there would be no racing industry.

"British racing has a zero tolerance policy towards the use of anabolic steroids, which are proven to help performance in sport. We must have a level playing field with integrity. We must protect the welfare of our animals.

"The rules are clear that it is the trainer's responsibility to prevent horses taking part in our sport with prohibited substances in their system. It is important, therefore, that the trainer in this case has accepted he was in breach of the rules of racing, and that the disciplinary panel has confirmed that, as the responsible person, Mr Morrison is in breach of the rules.

"As was set out in our opening submissions, the BHA had no positive case to put to any individual witness because the BHA could not say who administered the anabolic steroid to the horse. However, it was the BHA's case that Mr Morrison's assertion that this was a malicious act by someone completely outside of his control is unlikely. It was not the BHA's case that the administration of the substance 'must have been done by Mr Morrison or somebody at his direction'.

"We respect the panel's decision, the rules of racing have been upheld and the matter of penalty is a matter wholly for the disciplinary panel to determine."

He added: "The panel also confirmed that the BHA 'properly ran the case'. They found that it was not the duty of the BHA to protect Mr Morrison, that the attacks on the adequacy and good faith of the BHA's investigation 'wholly failed' and, with one exception, criticism of the BHA's conduct was misplaced.

"The one exception related to the fact that a hair sample was not taken. We would like to take the opportunity to explain more fully why this was the case. The BHA has always said that we would not use hair sampling as primary evidence until such point as there is international agreement and also full accreditation.

"Until that happens, hair samples are not accepted as regulatory samples, which limits our ability to use them in disciplinary cases. Therefore, it would not have been appropriate for the BHA to rely on hair sampling as part of its evidence in this case. Had we done so, it would have been open to challenge.

"We now await the panel's full written reasons before we can comment further on this matter."
Report carrot1960 December 22, 2017 1:55 PM GMT
It's not what you know but who you train for
Report geordie1956 December 22, 2017 2:04 PM GMT
Racing is based on fair play"
The independent disciplinary panel concluded that the nandrolone was administered intentionally "by person or persons unknown, for unknown reasons".

The panel also suggested that Our Little Sister may have been given the banned substance "to target Mr Morrison, but even that remains speculative".

You couldn't make this up in a west end farce
Report impossible123 December 22, 2017 2:08 PM GMT
I think this decision is on the same level as that of Barry Geraghty on Noble Emperor in Ireland. I'm gobsmacked about its leniency, to say the least.
Report Magic__Daps December 22, 2017 3:02 PM GMT
Jamie Stier, chief regulatory officer for the BHA, said: "Racing is based on fair play and respect for the rules. That's how we earn the trust and confidence of the participants and all those who watch or bet on our sport


Did he manage to keep a straight face when he said that? Clueless Buffoons, the lot of them at the BHA.
Report TheFear December 22, 2017 3:15 PM GMT
he also used the term zero policy on steroids.... ummm not sure this backs that up
Report onlooker December 22, 2017 4:00 PM GMT
John Berry said on ATR, the other week, that the 'Zero Tolerance' rules currently mean that the Trainer is presumed Guilty - and has to prove his innocence ... which is entirely the opposite of natural justice - whereby an individual is Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

He felt that if Morrison were to be banned, then there would be a legal challenge to the BHA Rules, which could then end up being re-written.

Will be interesting to see if John Berry blogs about the outcome.
Report TheFear December 22, 2017 5:09 PM GMT
exactly what happens with athletes then... surely

How much does Hughie Morrison charge his owners per day? And he can't afford adequate security measures? Cmon man,,,
Report zipper December 22, 2017 5:19 PM GMT
magic daps your post 15.03 is spot on the bhb look silly
Report by purpose December 22, 2017 6:28 PM GMT
Caste system alive and well.
Report impossible123 December 22, 2017 10:21 PM GMT
Caste system? That is a bit strong; this is Britain, not some countries in South Asia!
Report Deltâ December 22, 2017 10:26 PM GMT
zipper    Joined: 06 Jul 02
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magic daps your post 15.03 is spot on the bhb look silly



not as silly as someone who cant even copy  a time correctly
Report blackbarn December 22, 2017 10:59 PM GMT
thefear - "And he can't afford adequate security measures?" 

The panel found "There is no suggestion that his security precautions and practices were so lax that he bears responsibility in that sense. On the contrary, the evidence showed his security practices were adequate and found to be adequate from time to time by BHA stable inspections."

Hth.
Report TheFear December 22, 2017 11:07 PM GMT
Sorry if I didn't express myself properly but I don't have an opinion on his security measures as I know nothing about them. What I meant was IF his security measures are good and racecourse security is good then the finger points more towards him than ever.
Report blackbarn December 22, 2017 11:27 PM GMT
TheFear - The point is that the view of Morrison (obviously!), AND the BHA, AND the Panel is that he was NOT the adminstrator of said drug, nor was he responsible for its administration.  He is of course accountable.

You say...."IF his security measures are good and racecourse security is good then the finger points more towards him than ever". That is your view!.  My view would be that that scenario makes any attempt by him to do what you think he did, in these particular circumstances, beyond ridiculous.
Report Lee Ho Fooks December 23, 2017 12:17 AM GMT
"The rules are clear that it is the trainer’s responsibility to prevent horses taking part in our sport with prohibited substances in their system"

Clear? Do said rules apply uniformly to ALL trainers? Why is there a "sliding scale" of guilt and what are the guidelines to determine the degree of guilt?
Report liberator of the oppressed December 23, 2017 6:32 AM GMT
It's like a Dickie Frances book.
Report roggrain December 23, 2017 2:40 PM GMT
I'm curious as to the evidence that led the panel to the conclusion that Morrison was not involved in the administration of the substance.

Did they simply base their decision on his good reputation? Or is there something they are not revealing?

They may well have set a precedent here. Since in most cases it would be impossible to prove one way or another who did the deed, how can

they enforce the 'absolute responsibility' rule? If that rule is overturned then no trainer could be held responsible without proof of

guilt. Maybe that's the way it should be. Maybe there's a better solution: Test all placed runners. Any failing would be disqualified

and banned for at least 12 months.
Report sparrow December 23, 2017 2:47 PM GMT
Has Morrison apologised to Imogen Pickard yet?
Report TheFear December 23, 2017 3:00 PM GMT
Imogen is collateral damage for the posh boy
Report tips December 23, 2017 3:17 PM GMT
tough on her being brought into this farce for what seems no good reason
Report geordie1956 December 23, 2017 3:28 PM GMT
Hopefully Pickard will sue Morrison for defamation of character
His £1000 fine might then be an insignificant amount in comparable terms to a settlement
BHA are a laughing stock because their rules and penalties are flawed beyond belief
Report A_T December 23, 2017 4:06 PM GMT
wealthy racing people are never guilty of doping it's always a misunderstanding or someone else's fault
Report fredlyn December 23, 2017 5:22 PM GMT
why are they all pissing themselves over this BHA - jockey club etc - nothing much here since Al Z & goldphyn - so I thinking only happens twice in a decade
at least 8 fav's were ridden to lose today - no mention of this
Report screaming from beneaththewaves December 23, 2017 7:28 PM GMT
TheFear:  IF his security measures are good and racecourse security is good then the finger points more towards him than ever.

Exactly!

If Morrison's security is good enough to prevent anyone else from doping his horses, then who else but Morrison could have been responsible for doping this one?

But if Morrison didn't dope the horse, then someone else did, so logically his security measures must be inadequate, and he needs to be punished for those inadequacies.

The only explanation that's illogical is the one the BHA has swallowed: that Morrison's security measures are so feeble that an unknown person managed to dope his horse, while at the same time the BHA inspectors found his security to be adequate.
Report spyker December 23, 2017 11:49 PM GMT
something in the hair.......
Report Happy Valley December 24, 2017 6:34 AM GMT
unless the doping was done at the racecourse

i think they refer to it being given in the next, so presumably the puncture wound still there or some raised area,

this absolute responsibility is a daft rule imo
Report hong kong fooey December 24, 2017 1:34 PM GMT
Does anyone have any idea how many people are on the
payroll at the BHA and the GC.Do any of them actually earn a wage?
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