TRAINERS IN NEWMARKET IN THE SEVENTIES

don't recall the name but I was only born in '67, the likes of Musson,Blum,Ryan,Boss and even Neville C all priming 3 or 4 touches per season to keep their shows on the road, although Callaghan got some heavywight backing later on with Tabor.

I dont think Sasse ever Trained in Newmarket i could be wrong.

Yeah i was wrong.

Westbrook trained from something like 1974 to 1985. He trained from the stables where Ed Vaughan is now.

ged
whats the yards name and was he a similar type trainers to collinridge
thank u

ged
whats the yards name and was he a similar type trainers to collinridge
thank u

Buzzards Bay takes me back to misspent youth and paper round days although possibly early 80s. Can recall Musson did well with Ore and Hindley and Hobbs were big noises in the town. And Bill O'Gorman was cleaning up with Provideo, Brondesbury and Timeless Times whilst the Baronet was doing likewise with Spindrifter. Not quite sure when Misty Grey was hacking up either. Can recall having £1 ew on Century City at 22s for Filthy ( possibly Joe Mercer steering, my Grandads fav jockey)

Machell Place is Vaughans, not sure if Hugh was there in his pomp but he ended up renting a yard from Darryl Holland before quitting in 2011

whos filthy
good responses

Filthy Lucre, sire of la bella Francesca. Think Boss and Blum used to target the big seller at York but that would probably a decade later. Memories come and morph into similar timelines,  bit of early oldtimers kicking in.

Paul Kellaway and Clive Brittain aimed at the moon but I'm not sure when the former hung up his boots and started training. Tim Thomson-Jones and Paul Cook winning maidens with Hamdans early pioneers into the world of British Horseracing. Lesters Bro' in law R Armstrong knew how to train sprinters like Moorestyle and Mr Cecil was just getting his feet under the table before blitzing the 80's with Wollow and the like.

of Bolkonski in the mid 70s  with Filthy enjoying the Italian connection when joining Cecil at Warren Hill along with D'Alessio and Frankies sire Gianfranco before branching out on his own.

wollow won the guineas the year of the strike i think
marshall was another name

yeah ended up training in the Caribbean I think and we got Stoutey in exchange.

After mentioning Cecil it would be wrong not to give Murless a shout out but I'm far too young to recall his deeds but I remember Harry Wragg and Marling but he trained many champions throughout his career including the 70s. Did Gosdens old fella train in HQ? And I presume Bernard Van Cutsem was HQ was based and Frankie Durr either was still riding throughout the decade or had began training. Fred Winters brother John had a useful training career in that era but again my mind could easily be playing tricks. Quite easy to hark back through to my schooldays and reading the Racing overnight declarations and cards in the CET on the inside of the back page as I delivered them and pondered the next days 10p trixie with my dinner money.

ph - most of your answers are easily goodle'd. Perhaps come back with those you cannot find.

John Oxley was a Newmarket trainer I always followed at York when he sent one up owned by Lord Halifax.

I think one was King Top ridden by Eddie Hide. Won at 9/2 if I remember correctly.

wasn't Tony [A] Hide in Machell Place


and Dickie Westbrook up the Dullingham Road, beyond the grave yard?

^ Longview Stables

also wasnt Brian Lunness [Jimmy the Singer fame] in Machell Place before moving over to La Grange

a document on the net has the history of Machell Place as follows...

Colledge Leader
Ted Leader
Jock Halsey
Charlie Elliott
Jack Watts
Brian Lunness
Tony Hide (from 1977)

But, on the other hand, someone got a 'lifetime in racing award' and was. to paraphrase,  'in Jack Watts's yard, and then worked for Dickie Westbrook when the latter took over'.

And I found a couple of horses - Il Magnifico, and Major Suit, that were trained as 2yos for Jack (JF) Watts in 1973, and as 3yos by H Westbrook, which would seem to back up the latter statement (which is at odds with the first statement).

So perhaps Westbrook was at Machell Place for a short while, and then moved elsewhere in Newmarket. He certainly stayed in Newmarket, and was a dual-purpose trainer. He had successs over hurdles with Saragusa, and probably his most successful horse on the flat was the sprinting mare Balatina. He also had a runner in the 1981 Arc - Ring The Bell, though that was a case of the horse moving from Henry Cecil's to 'a smaller yard', so I don't know how long the horse actually stayed with him.

*trained as 2yos BY Jack Watts

used to follow pritchard-gordon especially when he sent horses up to scotland and his 3yo hurdlers

John Gosden's father 'Towser' trained at Lewes, and won the Derby with the beautifully-bred Charlottown (Charlottesville-Meld). Not sure if he trained at HQ though.

Charlottown was trained by Gordon Smyth.

charlottown was trained as a 2yr old by towser gosden, as a 3 yr old by gordon smyth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyPKRLn0jeo

Michael,  I know!

I was at Lingfield in 1966 when Charlottown was beaten by 25/1 shot Black Prince II in the Lingfield Derby Trial.  I backed it and so did my Uncle Jack. He said afterwards "Don't worry boy we'll get it back".  He was right!

It's interesting that the OP should link Westbrook with Sasse, as in Duncan Sasse's first year of training, in 1974 (same as Westbrook's first year), as a 23 year old, he had 5yo Coup de Feu, and won the Eclipse with him. Coup de Feu had previously been trained by Jack Watts at Machell Place, but was bought by Duncan's father Tim Sasse on Watts's retirement (though it was Gavin Pritchard-Gordon who did the bidding on Tim Sasse's behalf).

Geoffrey Barling, Derrick Candy, and George Todd all also retired at the end of the 1973 flat season. Duncan Sasse had previously been assistant trainer to Barry Hills for 3 years, and at least began his training career in Lambourn.

Was the Frenchman Olivier Doueb around at that time or was he more early 80's? He could ready one first time out ridden by Alain Lequeux invariably.

He started training in Newmarket in 1984. He took over from Michael Albina. His first runner was a winner - Meis-el-Reem in the 1000 Guineas trial at Salisbury, ridden by Lequeux.

sorry Blackbarn I thought most facts are on google. I was reminiscing, perhaps thats why its a bit all over the shop, I'm not an insider with nuggets only few know of, I'm just a punter who has followed Racing for 36/37 years. I'm sorry you're a bit sniffy and snobbish because all my memories are basic common knowledge.

Thanks for that ged.