Apple's Shakira

Jul 19, 2018 -- 11:52AM, khyber kim wrote:

I know realise why 356 pushd Tommy Fleetwood out from 18s to 22s after I backed him ew first 8.Sure to be 9th now Burkey ha stipped him

Really I backed him ew top 10

Jul 19, 2018 -- 9:40AM, geoff m wrote:

Magic/The Dealer i did some sectionals from the said races back in Dec which highlighted his total ignorance :geoff m 08 Dec 17 10:42 Joined: 23 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 11,997 | Blogger: geoff m's blogMart question regarding your times of Apples Shakira and Aplles Jade:How do equate the fact that sectional times clearly show Apples Jade was:Faster from the last/2nd last/3rdlast/4thlast/5th last and 6th last than was Apples Shakira and come to the conclusion A.S is the FAR better horse?As you are an expert on timing i await with eager anticipation your reply.Total clueless guesser you are mart.

Just shows me really how thick I are muppet I reduce to converse with someone who prob can’t wind up a clock never mind  bsnter with s great mind like mines few months bsck magic states he does not use times now he suddenly interested u cd not right the scrip ave forgot more about this game than any you know  and am still learning  ,  geofe we rip learn how to actually kniw what your talking about then I might take I seriously come back in ten years tar the ground was much slower on apples shakira race you tool very soft in France equates to out heavy yes apples still managed a faster time over c/d. Jade won on soft  it’s like trying to educate pork ! All off you are really clueless it’s a very very complicated system you are all out your depth , but like turning up at NASA’s base and trying to tell them how to improve thier sieve models ? Stick to your comfort zone lads leave the complications to the ginious mind like mines tar it’s very hard being good

Genius even

Just a reminder of Anoraks post as well dumbo:

TheAnorak
TheAnorak 19 Jul 18 09:10 Joined: 28 Oct 01 | Topic/replies: 2,181 | Blogger: TheAnorak's blog
Some inconvenient facts - information taken from the France Galop website.

The winners of the Prix Colonel Bidault for the last six years, showing the time and official going report:

2013   Nicknack        3m 52.56   Very Soft
2014   Baie Des Iles   3m 55.57   Soft
2015   Apples Jade     3m 58.97   Soft
2016   Next To Me      3m 51.2    Soft
2017   Apples Shakira  3m 57.45   Very Soft (3.8)
2018   Best Stroke     3m 50.45   Soft (3.5)

So neither of the Apples ran a fast time compared to the average. And the addition of penetrometer readings to the going reports suggest that the clerk at Vichy is a relation of Kirkland Tellwright, as 3.5 indicates ground softer than 3.8, the exact opposite of his going reports.

As someone that has been closely monitoring French NH racing for at least ten years, anybody that takes the slightest notice of times or going reports from France is wasting effort. About one in a hundred races is run at what we'd consider a decent pace, and 'souple' appears in every going report, even if you can see dust being kicked up when you watch the races.

Looking at those six results above, the obvious conclusion is that the slower the time, the better the horse!


You are demonstrating/confirming you are clutchin @ straws Burkey and really dont have a clue

5 seconds slower than Nicknack on very soft . The times from her french debut didnt indicate a superstar as you suggest

Mart, what was your going allowance for 2017?

Jul 20, 2018 -- 7:00PM, geoff m wrote:

Just a reminder of Anoraks post as well dumbo:TheAnorakTheAnorak 19 Jul 18 09:10 Joined: 28 Oct 01 | Topic/replies: 2,181 | Blogger: TheAnorak's blogSome inconvenient facts - information taken from the France Galop website.The winners of the Prix Colonel Bidault for the last six years, showing the time and official going report:2013   Nicknack        3m 52.56   Very Soft2014   Baie Des Iles   3m 55.57   Soft2015   Apples Jade     3m 58.97   Soft2016   Next To Me      3m 51.2    Soft2017   Apples Shakira  3m 57.45   Very Soft (3.8)2018   Best Stroke     3m 50.45   Soft (3.5)So neither of the Apples ran a fast time compared to the average. And the addition of penetrometer readings to the going reports suggest that the clerk at Vichy is a relation of Kirkland Tellwright, as 3.5 indicates ground softer than 3.8, the exact opposite of his going reports. As someone that has been closely monitoring French NH racing for at least ten years, anybody that takes the slightest notice of times or going reports from France is wasting effort. About one in a hundred races is run at what we'd consider a decent pace, and 'souple' appears in every going report, even if you can see dust being kicked up when you watch the races. Looking at those six results above, the obvious conclusion is that the slower the time, the better the horse!You are demonstrating/confirming you are clutchin @ straws Burkey and really dont have a clue

The fact is your snooping around trying to get people who might know a bit fir your defence u can not calculate speed fingers fact !  When the professionals do it they take into account was the horse ridden out etc apples in my opinion won with constsntat ease was the easiest winner cruzing to line so I gave her a higher rating stop the guessing son yiur out your depth yet again al do what I do u look too other to find a nibbles

I didnt snoop around a very well respected/knowledgeable poster in The Anorak posted independently of me on his own behalf indicating how absurd your claims are.

What was the going allowance?

Clerk said very soft which actually according to his going stick is faster than soft!!

Clerk said very soft which actually according to his going stick is faster than soft!!

Yes, but mart must have calculated an allowance to arrive at his fingers.

He must have read somewhere it was a good time which he then translated into im a speed ratings guru.  Spouts plenty of bollax but no figures.

Jul 20, 2018 -- 7:48PM, geoff m wrote:

He must have read somewhere it was a good time which he then translated into im a speed ratings guru.

Ansrack must not feel the rain  look at how easy apples won u need to give her a plus  rating donut  Geoff’ enlighten me how u calculate speed figures tar

Actually Geoff I was the 1st person too post up she done a faster time that jade because through my work witvratings I new right away after she crossed the line still disputing her tone it had over 2 sec faster than jade on the official time under the race then it changed later very strange

Where have i ever claimed I calculate my own speed ratings tar?

Nicknacks Mart

The Anorak's knowledge of french racing and for that matter any subject racing is second to none.

Jul 20, 2018 -- 7:17PM, mouse muldoon wrote:

Mart, what was your going allowance for 2017?

That’s depends on track distance stuff tacks line towster east fist tracks line Kempton  affect the horses more uo hill finished Chelt towster killers on heavy spend some time looking st the going stick rating look st the times fir each track then look to see how easy the horse won on that day visually if poss

What was your going allowance for the hurdles course at Vichy on 18/5/17?

Jul 20, 2018 -- 8:09PM, mouse muldoon wrote:

What was your going allowance for the hurdles course at Vichy on 18/5/17?

Not be long before the English language runs out of ways to ask the same question

I'm at a loss how I could phrase it any clearer, Den.

seems like hes struggling with the question Mouse?
Im not sure WTF  Towster /East fist tracks line Kempton/ Chelt have to do with going allowance for Vichy other than spout plenty of bollax which to the uneducated it might appear he knows what hes talking about.
Even when its abundantly clear he doesnt.

To the tune from the 7 dwarfs "we dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig the whole day through" never know when to quit do you burkey, you are some plum

Lights gone out

I would be grateful if anyone could decipher burkeys post to me highlighted at the end of the Carnoustie thread

Do his lights ever come on...?

I can guarantee that nobody could come up with a worthwhile going allowance for that card at Vichy. The times of the other hurdles races are so out of whack that all they do is confirm that the race distances are simply not credible.

There were two races over 3500 metres, which were timed at 4m 26.26 and 3m 31.37, plus one race over 3700 metres, timed at 4m 58.16. So if you believe the French official info, the older horse that won the longest race took one minute extra to cover a quarter mile more than the 3-y-old Apples Shakira.

Give it up Mart and stop digging that hole - the times and distances for French NH racing are no use at all for any sort of analysis.

Mart do yourself a favour take note of the above post from The Anorak who is someone who actually knows what hes talking about with the knowledge and experience to back it up.

There is nothing wrong in putting yer hands up and saying i might have got this wrong, you may then restore a little bit of credibility that you so much strive for.

By the way Mart, you're right that I don't feel the rain - that's the whole point of wearing an Anorak.

Cork ive allways thought even when his lights on nobody/nothing/nada is in.

Do his lights ever come on...?

Not really Cork.


I have noticed he has now hit the tri cast between me,you and Magic


He's now argued in the following sequence


Cork-Magic

Dopey-Cork

Dopey-Magic

Be a handy old payout with three such fence sitting feeders filling the 1/2/3...!

Kyber thought u were clinical and looked fir best value why not bet 1st ten places ew

Dopey the betting guru pmsl  you rate magic and cork why not do a round robin pick 3 sel should smash them up

What was your going allowance for the hurdles course at Vichy on 18/5/17?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icehffFWOck

Mart as brill as you are @ Maths i bet yer cuddna  work out an e/w  round robin in yer thick head.

Selective reading again from the worlds top man with a spade, picks out KK's post from yesterday but avoids TheAnorak and Geoff's countless posts on a topic he boasts of being a genius at, as OMC would say "How bizarre"

Interesting looking st u lot clutching at straws  line little kinder garden kids wanting to learn !  From master let me enlighten magic guessser dabs you see when u rate a horse you 1st must know it’s best trip since apples waa bred for further its times was really gokd it’s a bit like having a group 1  2yr old who wi s over 6 f but in reality it’s a middle distance it’s cksss sees it through ovef shorter  , palmed potential nit been unleashed loads cut and trio just like all saddened makers offspring m8 has a horse by saddlers only 2 want runfir 2 years saddlers passed  away now sadly

mouse he aint eva gona answer is he the sad sack

Answe wgat ffs five thousands questions

i wont put the link up Cork

I give up, it's like trying to teach origami to an octopus.

hawair Mart stop mekking a bigger t1t of yasel than normal

You can put out your snide antagonistic comments so I want tbey kniw sweet fooook all about sores digest that ya a fact tvey are nit intelligent enough fact I am fact end of chapter   Like I said plenty mouth pieces on here who cannot cut the cake but they say they can put are thread shy when it cones to putting up  everyone knows why

When the professionals do it they take into account was the horse ridden out etc apples in my opinion won with constsntat ease was the easiest winner cruzing to line so I gave her a higher rating


Constsnant ease  cruizing to the line


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8boomf4Jk


cruising my @rse

Just try the pertinent ones from TheAnorak and Geoff, ignore the rest of us like you always do for now

U are out your LG pal am probably one of the best thier is but u keek guessing am playing with these trolls  no beef with u but I know what am about everything u have thought about speed figures I done 10 years ago and re wrote the book made my own calls etc but hey how am just a ska our pal enjoy your betting

re wrote the book

When is it published?

i missed the 1st edition  thank f00k for that

Jul 20, 2018 -- 9:53PM, geoff m wrote:

When the professionals do it they take into account was the horse ridden out etc apples in my opinion won with constsntat ease was the easiest winner cruzing to line so I gave her a higher ratingConstsnant ease  cruizing to the linehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8boomf4Jkcruising my @rse

U must be on green she was cantering cd have won much much easier cincidering she was bred to run much further ,  see no one question the fact she done a faster speed rating on her 1st run Chelt new coarse crushing not even pushed out   You lot shound gsve l plates on its embarracibg u see am tvst far ahead as soon as she crosses the line I new I did not have to look at jack  I kniw soon as I see to e going track anywhere in Uk most in France hence I put uo found as a 2 year old after getting narcs if forum tve eggs McMuffin soon realised who is skate and who is master I see a horse running fir tbe 1st time and said that’s a group 1 that’s takes skill class a year of knowing the trade cork aka waffler a takes snip bits from other panacea pretends it’s him who directed it he is a clown and a bafoon

When is the book published in English?

Too successful wd our bookies out bussiness fact

Imagin you have 8 runner race knows 6 can’t win unless 2 fall  that’s me every race more or less  just backed a winner tomoz 7/1 will win easy

Am the crazy guy who has being playing u lot from day one ,  learn your trade befure u bet that’s secrete  !   Just watching power that American serious plenty sh—-gging in it

Burkey, do you really think that you are always right and every other forumite is an idiot?

No am just treating them with the sane content they treat me tvey don’t rate me and I don’t rate them simples few know what they are about

sane content my arse

watch the video  Burkey she wasnt cantering. There is a difference between cantering and being ridden as an horse racing expert you should know the difference .No wonder paddy takes yer bets man yer must be blind.

watch the video  Burkey she wasnt cantering. There is a difference between cantering and being ridden as an horse racing expert you should know the difference .No wonder paddy takes yer bets man yer must be blind.

Look at saddlers makers off spring son learn your trade

So the French osier abd our tabloid git it wrong as long as me stop slavouring tripe why u think macmsnyscosyed a fortune fir her u think he is stupid

What a complete and utter bluffer burkey is, cornered and lacking any idea of how to respond, he accuses others of not understanding, a complete cop out from the forums number one loser.

Now goes onto saying he is playing everyone, what an embarrassment, doubt he can even play with himself...!

Dopey the betting guru pmsl  you rate magic and cork why not do a round robin pick 3 sel should smash them up



If you would like to point out to the forum where I mentioned that DC.... You love to twist things and make up lies.. Pretty sad really..



But seeing as you brought it up from what I have read from both of them on here they make far more sense and would say they make far more betting than you ever will.


You are grown man who is that deluded he believes everything he types.


Once a bet editor always a bet editor... As for the lies you need serious help, you just can't stop can you..


You even think you're a VIP because you say you are in profit.... So tell me why no one else on here makes that claim..

more irrelevant bollax to the facts in question.

Breeding is irrelvant to whether an hoss is cantering or being ridden in a race its visual not gentic you muppet

You still never answered regarding her time at Chelt 1st run on new coarse tell me a 4 year old who done a faster time this year tar

"macmsnyscosyed "
Bet JPs never been called that before.

Again more irrelevant bollax

Jul 20, 2018 -- 10:14PM, geoff m wrote:

more irrelevant bollax to the facts in question. Breeding is irrelvant to whether an hoss is cantering or being ridden in a race its visual not gentic you muppet

Your talking through your bsck side as per class horses win when it’s afsibsf the grain I e trip on the short side !  She was crushing last 10o yards  u looked a right idiot after I Andres your 1st question about apples jade now u are clutching at St was so embarrassing really

Burkey1885 20 Jul 18 22:14 Joined: 21 Nov 17 | Topic/replies: 3,355 | Blogger: Burkey1885's blog
You still never answered regarding her time at Chelt 1st run on new coarse tell me a 4 year old who done a faster time this year tar Grin


Thats easy Farclas

The only errekeven bolovnscjs you don’t have a clue about speed firgures how to address them on dog ground conditions distance weight draw in some cases (flat ) but I know bit more than u sane with dissecting form am genius your average

When you send this picture on of you at the golf can you make sure you are wearing your name badge, interested to know if it says Martin, Burke, Forrest or Chump...

What was your going allowance for the hurdles course at Vichy on 18/5/17?

7/1 winner tomoz Geoff’s am I kniw how I kniw it will win

errekeven bolovnscjs


Swedish ??

I know people have difficulty sometimes understanding our accent as it seems we tend to talk to quickly for most, not sure about Scots, but surely the written word shouldn't cause such a headache...?

On what ground u tsklling about in compositing gokd soft heavy I am of the view fromsoft to heavy I give it a mouse plus of 2.52 len per fur slow from soft to heavy  that’s my view

2.52, thank you.

Fanfare please, an answer has been given....!

So you add the plus len times f in race then look at overall time  at track  she ran faster than jade  bith win. Easy bit faster time slower ground  hard to guidge after one run mouse but look at her time on the chest race her 1st run at track new coarse then look at triumph hurdle and all the grade ones at that c/d u might get a better picture of her Quillity Rem it was donecon soft ground as well good ground to soft is ball park around 2 Sec per f faster

What's your standard time for 2m110y hurdles at Vichy?

She ran flat her last 3 runs imo click confirms this and so does form she trounced horse on 1st run Chelt old track hire then beat her ainterr no way that was her true form imo wants cut prob furtved brew Cd be she just wins fresh

Could just be that she matured quicker than most and as the season went on others improved past her.

Vichy good ground 3 min 54

Cork I can’t see your posts son

3 min 54, thank you.

See he can read your posts

Just certain words he struggles with

Jul 20, 2018 -- 10:13PM, dopeyone wrote:

Dopey the betting guru pmsl  you rate magic and cork why not do a round robin pick 3 sel should smash them upIf you would like to point out to the forum where I mentioned that DC.... You love to twist things and make up lies.. Pretty sad really..But seeing as you brought it up from what I have read from both of them on here they make far more sense and would say they make far more betting than you ever will.You are grown man who is that deluded he believes everything he types.Once a bet editor always a bet editor... As for the lies you need serious help, you just can't stop can you..You even think you're a VIP because you say you are in profit.... So tell me why no one else on here makes that claim..

Help no yiur the one who needs serious help u stalk a posters face book making lit comebta about his teenage daughter your the sick fk that needs help you not wired up right u clown

Is it possible to have a son older than yourself...?

Your not getting it corked your blocked no interest in anything I say or read from sites  cheers looking forward to my golf and my sel looking good

Corks and dopey Ass mich chances putting uo a thread as Shergar appearing  hiding inbox other threads or fence sitting

Perhaps I will put up a thread the day you stop lying to everyone but more importantly to yourself, could be a long wait

google translate..... type in Burkey hth

marts posts make alot less sense tonight than usual

He must have some awful headaches in the morning

She ran flat her last 3 runs imo click confirms this


Well that must be complete b0llocks and proves you make it up on the spot as you go along, you said she got beat because it was the bookies biggest loser - a typical bookie mug punter response post race.


The rest of the replies are complete bollocks as well, TheAnorak has Walter well and truly stumped (NAP)

your the sick fk that needs help you not wired up right u clown

For someone who has a kind heart and would help anyone you have a very aggressive manner towards people who ask you questions..

You call others perverts yet last night you said you was watching some program with lots of sha**ing in it...Most likely pulling ya pudding seeing some bird in her underwear.

The expression pot kettle black comes to mind.

Oh and congrats on having a laugh with koi...Yesterday you was telling him to shut it... Schizo comes to mind.

Anyway this is the last conversing i will do with you.

Adios ball bag.