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Sunday Forum: Betting Special
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listening to Claire about the amount of people he says [thinks ] are betting on horses racing I,m surprised they have time to dust the fobt,s never mind shoiting themselves about going out of business if there use are restricted
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Ashleigh
no if it was how come so many punters get knocked back |
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The guy from Ladbrokes is having a laff,I am a fun punter and they won't allow me to withdraw my funds from them.
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12,000 bets a day for permission to lay, only 800 restricted.
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Simon Clare - wottack hunt.
Helpful enough for got you, Salmon Spray, you sanctimonious so-and-so? |
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God almighty Crawford has remembered we fell out 10 years ago.
I think Kevin has done rather well btw. |
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sunday forum repeated at 4-30 pm if you missed it.
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well worth the watch - enjoyed it
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I cannot abide Simon Clare, the smarmy, sleazy, slimy disingenuous creep, just can't watch him without wanting to put my foot through the TV. How he can be allowed to go on there and blatantly lie his way through it is shocking. The £5k guarantee in the shops to anyone is absolute fantasy island stuff, complete b0ll0x and blatant false advertising and I, and others I know, know this from personal experience.
Just as is the waffle about people betting middle of the day/ half an hour before the race/ on the first show not getting restricted. |
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Lets test clares statement, get a decent judge (e.g. norfolk man or any other) to select a horse in an itv race at weekend. At a certain time we try to bet the said horse for an amount of cash in shop and see what happens, go punter power.
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coral offering money back if horse FALLS at sandown
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A total waste of 75 minutes !!!!
Did we learn anything new ? The answer is no ! It was just the same ground that has been covered on many forums for a long time now. A lot of the time it was like a party political broadcast on behalf of the Ladcr00ke/C0rals party and many words were spoken but nothing actually was said. That limited KB timewise but i was expecting a lot more from him and it has to go down as very disappointing on his part. Then again, i've asked myself what i was actually hope to glean from it all. And if i'm honest i will say nothing much, if anything. And thats exactly what i got !! |
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I learnt that Boyce is a member of the IBAS adjudication panel and therefore that body is even more rancid than previously thought.
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Shown again on ATR - at 4:30 - after the racing.
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Must admit if felt a bit flat with Clare having far too much airtime to spout the party line (maybe the absence of Kealy didn't help?)and maybe Kevin was only allowed to say so much?But well done to Kevin for having a go and he made a great point at the end about the bookmakers having the majority of the media and some trainers/jockeys in their pocket,also that the irish bookmakers seem to manage without FOBTs.
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Simon Claire - Trying to DEFLECT away from 'not being able to get a bet on' issue - by 'bigging up', "the Extra Place terms being offered by bookmakers,"
------------- NO use offering, "Extra PLACE terms," .... if you cannot avail yourself of them - because you a Restricted - as most are. |
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last time i tried to bet with clares lot (through accounts not in my name) i was told i could have nothing on, and that was for a few pre tournament fancies in last years european championships (I wasnt looking for big bets either), a big event, bets based on opinions,....its just nonsense...the reason i was trying to bet with bookies is that there was no liquidity on BF, this line tracking (new buzz industry word it seems) is another lame excuse imo
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fair play to him to actually be discussing it
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didn't see the full show, what did SC say when asked about the policy of not telling punters they have a sleeper ?
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Great closing comment by KEVIN - re this issue NEEDS DISCUSSING MORE ...
Kevin says ... "This is a disgracefully UNDER-COVERED issue in the RACING MEDIA" "The mainstream press are picking up on this MORE than our Racing MEDIA are." "Perhaps this is as a consequence that Bookmakers give so much work to JOURNALISTS and Broadcasters - that we don 't see this fleshed out more." "If I had one more wish it would be that ...Our TRADE PAPER discuss this MORE OFTEN THAN THEY DO." ------- But WILL THEY? |
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I was at Navan today and met a friend who told me a certain bookies his Son was backing with has refused to lay him anymore bets, Maybe if he had a word with Simon it would change .
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Dont think that point was raised,hulk23
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https://geoffbanksracing.com/2017/11/12/the-bookmakers-response-to-the-simon-clare-show/amp/
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companies should be forced to disclose the % of active accounts subject to restriction. boilsports, for example, would be around 98.4%. this would be useful when contemplating opening a new account.
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https://geoffbanksracing.com/2017/11/12/the-bookmakers-response-to-the-simon-clare-show/amp/ I would warn the lot off, but the only bookmaker I can remember getting warned off was something to do with John Francome |
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John Banks,Ronnie R.
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Appropriately the horse in question was the Fred Winter hurdler Stopped!!
The irony |
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Alright lads?
Have to say I came away from that quite frustrated. An hour and a bit just isn't enough time for all the issues we had hoped to discuss, including a lot of what was mentioned on this thread. I went in with six pages of notes, all of which were allowed for in the running order, but we only got to cover less than three pages of it. While we didn't get to go as deep as hoped, I'd like to hope that getting the basics of the discussion out there on a platform like that will help to stimulate a wider and deeper discussion of the issues in the media. Already, there is a piece on the issue in The Times today (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/bookmakers-must-accept-racing-bets-f53btbvsc), so hopefully the racing media will belatedly start to give the issues the prominence they deserve. Thanks again for all your input on here and apologies if I didn't get a chance to raise your points. All the best, Kevin |
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Fair play Kevin for making the effort
Good thread |
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All firms are same come up with same bollox
My mate works for a firm says same bollox Like there programed to say same **** He knows talking bollox too |
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Think I'm guilty of going in with unrealistic expectations, and was disappointed in the main, but it shouldnt be underestimated that the programme even took place.
From the start, the programme lacked any urgency and clear structure and timekeeping seemed non-existent. The start wasted 10 minutes. But fair play to ATR and all concerned for getting it on, and for Simon for going on. |
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Claire basically went round the houses to say whats fairly obvious, all the tipping lines,segal,kealy,taylor,lightfoot go through basically the same process and more often than not 2 or 3 of them put the same horses up,so savy punters out there using similar methods even though you might be picking them independently from the above tipsters if you come up with the same horses you,ll be restricted, Claire was basically trying to tell punters to come up with new methods to come up with the winning horses that the above tipsters don't land on,and make your dosh before you get restricted, LOL
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Hi Kevin I think you made a good fist of it under difficult circumstances,so cheers and well done.If we all work together then we will increase the chance of change.Once again I would ask all members to please consider Reg as supporters of the Justice For Punters Org.They are pro active in seeking the right to bet for all.
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he has a point re what he called "line tracking" punters
its obvious that they don't want to and shouldn't be laying 3/1 about a team 3.8 to lay on here in 2nd division hungarian football as its flat out unprofitable to lay that bet, I get that completely the issue I have is (a) why the fack are you pricing up markets as obscure as this?? (trying to lure in the hungarian market and then aim to channel that to the casino like they do domestically??) and (b) ultimately it layers that are responsible for the prices they are quoting (not including palp errors) and if they are so adamant that laying 3/1 about a 3.8 is bad business then surely just link the markets to the machine like some firms and cut it to 5/2 or 11/4 when 3.8 appears on here to lay |
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Fair play Kevin but as I am sure you are aware,they don't like anyone upsetting the applecart. The main objective of most in the racing media, is to get on the gravytrain, and heir next objective is staying on it.
The only surprise for me this year is that mick fitz didn't get racing personality/pundit of the year,ah well there is always next year. |
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Fair to you Kevin for bringing the issue's up, and fair play to ATR for the platform .
Simon Claire revealed a lot about the ''trader's'' ( sic ) methods, basically they are linked to the Betfair Market and, I suspect to market fluctuations on sites like Oddschecker ! Hopefully, in January when the government actually make a decision on max stake per spin on Fobts ( my hope is for £20 ), the landscape of there ''business model's'' will change and, we can get back to the High Street bookmakers employing ''trader's'' who actually take a view about the prospective outcome of a horse race ! |
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I wonder the present traders employed by bookies are still the same ones who were prepared to take on the public in the past eg pit their racing knowledge against joe public, or are they just merely turf accountants/mathematicians using software to guide them similar to the City gents with their sophisticated electronic trading without an ounce of experience and/or knowledge from user?
Simon Clare came across as someone who was shifty, evasive and economical with the truth. His firm 'ok korals' was the worst with bet restriction and closure of betting accounts. |
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well done Kevin , you gave it a good go . the thing with discussing subjects like this with a PR man from a bookmaker is that they have had many years to come up with excuses to any sensible question or point of view you ask them .
also, without knowing there figures for who and how many get restricted etc, it's very easy for them to talk more BS than they already do |
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"Traders"? Traders no longer exist....certainly not at Ladbrokes / Coral.
A more appropriate job title would be "line trackers"................now where have I heard that before  |