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And it's Hydrangea this time!!
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Makes me laugh I've backed this one all season but had to give up on it lol
Is there really any point anymore in betting in races where they have multiple entries? Jockey bookings mean nothing, previous form means nothing. As you say granitjack, it really has become nothing more than a lottery..
They've all got their Group Ones - a very convenient result...
Makes a farce of the Sport ,he should be arrested immediately 
They should call all their fillies Caster Semenya - pmsl
APOB did issue a warning and Winter could possibly have targets at Longchamp,Ascot and Del Mar before the end of the year-there was always a chance she would be undercooked.
Makes the Moyglare interesting tomorrow lol should be 6-1 the 4 or 5 of them whatever it is. Shame they don't couple like they do in France be easy pickings!
The Racing Post writers will ask the relevant questions....
Aladdin, if you think nothing makes sense now, wait until after the Moyglare tomorrow, imo...
you've got laugh at gary and kevin making excuses need ther run etc,etc,okay we buy that next question,how did it beat double group 1 winner,2nd fav roly poly by about 10 lgth,LOL
Under cooked? She should have beat them if only half fit
And the break was the problem? She only ran a month ago at Goodwood!!!
The reserves are running as insurance policies, but you can be guaranteed that wasn't the outcome discussed beforehand. Lordan was in a tricky spot!
And group 1 winner Roly Poly drew the short straw this time making the running...not to mention Rhodadenron supposedly the best fully they had this season not even being mentioned!!!
I'd be pretty sure they're delighted she beat Winter, Cider..?
For a stable with their fire power - I find them unbackable - would rather be on Godolphin
even if they have 5% of CM group 1's - bet they had a shed load on hydrangea
even if they have 5% of CM group 1's - bet they had a shed load on hydrangea
I backed Roly Poly assuming she was running for herself. Heffernans look rounding the bend to see if Moore wanted to go up the inside proved otherwise. However can't complain, I backed Nelson earlier purely because it wasn't the first choice.
Rhododendron was never put in the race with any sort of chance - with her bleeding issue they've got their eye on the Breeders cup, imho...
Winter was meant to win obs. Not the first time that the reserve has had to 'fall in' for this firm.
Aidens team talk this morning.
"Right lads the shrewdies on the Betfair forum are on to us so Wayne if you could just get up in the last 50 yards and pip Ryan a head we should be ok. They're very very clever but we might just get away with it....... oh and Ryan, i've laid yours for 50 eur's so make sure she doesn't win please"
"Right lads the shrewdies on the Betfair forum are on to us so Wayne if you could just get up in the last 50 yards and pip Ryan a head we should be ok. They're very very clever but we might just get away with it....... oh and Ryan, i've laid yours for 50 eur's so make sure she doesn't win please"
well AOB has just kicked the irish pundits excuses into touch the winner had the same 8 days off as the fav,shows you missing days means nothing when just because your work partner has 8 days off,you have the same days off at group 1 level, basically AOB hasn't a clue hence his scattergun approach
It's about betting with your eyes open. Winter wasn't good enough, end of story but if you're betting one of the back up runners you're not going to be all out if numero uno is in contention.
Sparrow - just lay all their favourites
but what does that then say about the worlds premier breeding / training operation firstly
and secondly if that is how the best in the business operate - what does it say about racing today - particularly irish racing
but what does that then say about the worlds premier breeding / training operation firstly
and secondly if that is how the best in the business operate - what does it say about racing today - particularly irish racing
Sir John Lavery an awful bet here -beaten in Lingfield Derby Trial -now running over a mile.
Winter is a multi Gp 1 winner over 8f and who also ran her opponents into the ground over 10f in the Nassau did not manage to hold on in the Matron over 8f, how is that possible? If she was that unfit, why run her Mr O'Brien? She was also seriously considered for the Irish Champions Stake against the colts over 10f which I find very difficult to fathom.
The major disappointment of the race was Qemah; held up at the back, not settled, came wide at the bend but could not make further progress. A wasted trip, I think. Maybe she'll atone on Arc day, if she's running.
The major disappointment of the race was Qemah; held up at the back, not settled, came wide at the bend but could not make further progress. A wasted trip, I think. Maybe she'll atone on Arc day, if she's running.
you only have to listen to chappers on the morning line today whether he was spouting shoite or not is immaterial
he said all of irish racing new about the trainer done for drugs a couple of years ago but reckon they hadn't heard of the drug used by the trainer at chelt festival but said its hard to believe a no mark trainer was the only one using this drug,
yet the rest of the panel didn't even question chappers just accepted it as true and it hasn't been picked up by anyone since,atr,ruk,itv,gary Obrien,all of which would suggest drug use is rife in racing
he said all of irish racing new about the trainer done for drugs a couple of years ago but reckon they hadn't heard of the drug used by the trainer at chelt festival but said its hard to believe a no mark trainer was the only one using this drug,
yet the rest of the panel didn't even question chappers just accepted it as true and it hasn't been picked up by anyone since,atr,ruk,itv,gary Obrien,all of which would suggest drug use is rife in racing
Didnt have the tactical speed that you would associate with a horse that was badly beaten in Lingfield Derby Trial.
Won't back in Ireland again - at least I feel they then can then steal off their own home crowd not me
Taj Mahal best of Ballydoyle contenders.....says it all.....
Can someone please explain how it benefited Coolmore or was in their best interests to get Winter beaten?
I've seem complaints on here when the bigger priced and/or #2 or #3 jockey ridden horse wins, yet have also seen accusations of Heffernan taking it easy when to forum judges he could have beaten the shorter priced/#1 jockey ridden stable mate.
So it seems like the only way they can keep everyone happy is to have just the one runner in every race.
I've seem complaints on here when the bigger priced and/or #2 or #3 jockey ridden horse wins, yet have also seen accusations of Heffernan taking it easy when to forum judges he could have beaten the shorter priced/#1 jockey ridden stable mate.
So it seems like the only way they can keep everyone happy is to have just the one runner in every race.
Do the stats on how many of their favs get turned over - as many as lesser stables
balance of Coolmore power will go down as their last uber stallion Galileo gets on
their other Stallions are not sire of sires
balance of Coolmore power will go down as their last uber stallion Galileo gets on
their other Stallions are not sire of sires
Irish racing is utterly honking, even at the very top level.
HTH
HTH
Can someone please explain how it benefited Coolmore or was in their best interests to get Winter beaten?
I'm not saying they were trying to get Winter beaten, but Aiden said it himself in the interview afterwards, the winner was the only one not to have a Group One.
Now they all do - that's very much job done for a filly...
I'm not saying they were trying to get Winter beaten, but Aiden said it himself in the interview afterwards, the winner was the only one not to have a Group One.
Now they all do - that's very much job done for a filly...
muscatt told you how it works the fillies only need 1 group one on their dance card and even if they have duck egg after duck egg amongst the group 1 their value is set in stone,where as the colts value ie Churchill,s has plummeted since his irish 2000 win because of the subsequent defeats
I met up with a pal last night to give him money for a certain bet I wanted on the in the bookies today. I wont go into specifics but it does involve Order Of St George. About six weeks ago I got slaughtered following AOB's horses ridden by Moore.
Having read this thread I may just sit back and watch..
Having read this thread I may just sit back and watch..
** I will correct myself there. That should read the race Order Of St George is involved in.
The more I see of this mob the more I think they are just seeking to share around the black type, as 1st time poster says.
It was pretty obvious before the 1000 Guineas that it was Winter that they wanted, Rhododendron was 'just starting out' (this is O'Brien code for not going to be ridden remotely positively or forwardly), with the Oaks being the race they'd earmarked for her Group One.
I'd also suspect that Moore isn't choosing which one he's going ride in these races, he's just being put on the one that best suits the plan for today, which may be why he's riding so poorly for the stable...
It was pretty obvious before the 1000 Guineas that it was Winter that they wanted, Rhododendron was 'just starting out' (this is O'Brien code for not going to be ridden remotely positively or forwardly), with the Oaks being the race they'd earmarked for her Group One.
I'd also suspect that Moore isn't choosing which one he's going ride in these races, he's just being put on the one that best suits the plan for today, which may be why he's riding so poorly for the stable...
5 of them in that race and not a single one of them has the sense to set a decent gallop to give the others a chance lol
Seventh Heaven, Held up in last place, never put in race,wait for next time, so funny
And their default MO, when they have multiple entries, is something up front, something in mid-div, and something held-up. 
Honestly, anyone betting in these races might as well play 49s
muscatt said a few seasons back he vowed never to bet in group 1 races where AOB, had more than 1 runner,ffs that's ruling out about 75% of group ones and 99% of irish ones,if you cant back with confidence in group ones what can you punt in
Seen it all now, Seventh Heaven a non trier in a Gp2. Coolmore have no shame.
No idea what's went wrong Jack. Hopefully begin to pick up some points soon.
September beats Happily, Magical beats Happily, Happily beats em both!!
clemmie beats all 3 and AOB probably has a better unseen one at home, LOL
Just don't back them....if it stinks, don't sniff it!
roll up! roll up! National Stakes next - only 3 to choose from
millhouse 10 Sep 17 11:21
I'm not saying they were trying to get Winter beaten, but Aiden said it himself in the interview afterwards, the winner was the only one not to have a Group One.
Now they all do - that's very much job done for a filly...
But then wouldn't it make sense to not have Hydrangea face 3 of their previous Gr1 winners if they wanted to get her a win at that level too? Especially since she was being continuously beaten by Winter in Gr1 races?
I'm not saying they were trying to get Winter beaten, but Aiden said it himself in the interview afterwards, the winner was the only one not to have a Group One.
Now they all do - that's very much job done for a filly...
But then wouldn't it make sense to not have Hydrangea face 3 of their previous Gr1 winners if they wanted to get her a win at that level too? Especially since she was being continuously beaten by Winter in Gr1 races?
its not new been going on for many years you've got to back them all or have savers on the others weve seen more this year as millhouse pointed out the value of a horse after winning a group race increases if winter won most of its races would its value be greater than to have 2 3 4 more group winners from the same stable also now worth more.
The English derby winner goes for the irish derby and his other one wins it he now has 2 derby winners very clever I think we forget its a business based on breeding and in the same business we would be doing the same as they get the same prize money just massive increase in value
The English derby winner goes for the irish derby and his other one wins it he now has 2 derby winners very clever I think we forget its a business based on breeding and in the same business we would be doing the same as they get the same prize money just massive increase in value
or it could be AOB is a chancer who hasn't a clue who the best horses are so uses the scattergun approach in the hope of not leaving a group 1 behind,takes this years 2yrold fillies with whats been shown on the track you could cover AOB,S 5,6 best fillies with a blanket hard to believe all 5,6 are possible group 1 champions at 3,if he has a champion filly for next year maybe we havnt seen her yet
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