Frank - does he ever learn?

stopped it

he must support a lot of forecast betting - didn't really try to win - but made sure he came second

you know when you've been tangoed

1st

3Av A Word3/1
2nd

8Kings City (IRE)10/3

second

he will do the same on harbour

WTF  was he doing on Harbour rock the fav there?

useless waited waited waited lost

yup -frank lands another forecast

he will do the same on harbour

Frank ' one dimensional ' Spencer

Aug 11, 2017 -- 3:44PM, fredlyn wrote:

yup -frank lands another forecast

he wasnt second to,, av a word,,

frank holds up last in a slowly run race won by a cumani who he also rides for :/

Cosgraves was getting the revs up for the sprint whilst Frank was just sitting there off a steady gallop

He really is so frustrating!!!

Has a knack of frequently being in the wrong place at the wrong time..(or right place at the right time for the layers!)

Aug 11, 2017 -- 3:46PM, Big muff wrote:

He really is so frustrating!!!

No he's a useless ****

hes the only jockey thats never asked by the other jockeys how hes gonna run the race

no  - he was 3rd to av a word - apologies , got that one wrong

Frank is having a Weston Super tbf

Thick and Clueless comes to mind.

Trainer's deserve to go to the wall when they support him.Just be like Emma Spencer, don't touch him.

spoilt rich kid - didn't come up same way most jocks do - flat or jumps-  think he has some kind of superiority complex

Doesn't matter whether it's 2 runners or 32 runners we know where Frank will be positioned - The most one dimensional, predictable jockey riding today.  On the rare occasion these last to first tactics of his come off,the pundits go completely overboard eulogising over the ride, conveniently sweeping under the carpet all the times it goes so terribly wrong..

Quite possibly the most over rated rider of all time.

What are you talking about? He got there in plenty of time in the right position (where he could see all the others on his left) and Harbour Rock dogged it. His tail was going round like a helicopter blade. If you backed the horse, dont back him again.

Aug 11, 2017 -- 3:53PM, unitedbiscuits wrote:

What are you talking about? He got there in plenty of time in the right position (where he could see all the others on his left) and Harbour Rock dogged it. His tail was going round like a helicopter blade. If you backed the horse, dont back him again.

thats very true

but why hold the horse so far back,, from the start

Unitedbiscuits - apologies if you meant me. My comments were more of a general observation rather than relating to any specific rides he may have had today..

I didn't back the horse, just a general comment on my part. One based on over twenty years experience of watching and betting on racing.

He was upsides the winner 2 out and travelling better but found much less than the winner. There was nothing whatsoever wrong with that ride

Jamie's not having a mare because Jamie doesn't care. His last two rides, held-up tactics the on both occasions mount taken very wide. I'm beginning to believe that Mr Spencer enjoys the notoriety his arrogant antics engender! Jamie, just like Ruby doesn't give a sheet, he believes he is beyond reproach and who could say otherwise?

Any jockey worth his salt should really not give a sheet what keyboard jockeys think of them

but its the sheer number of times it occurs firstimevisor you seem to have your head in the sand - 4 ex 5 rides are cocked up

You heading for Beachy Head firettimevisor? Or more likely you're a fifty pence 'nice name' bettor! Leave serious discussion to the big boys- it's apologist masochistic clowns like you that allow Jamie and Ruby to indulge their egos without censure. Now do us all a favor and save your pocket money and buy premium bonds, there's a good lad!

Of course they shouldn't care what "keyboard jockeys" think of them. They should have enough initiative however to not keep riding the same badly-judged races time and time again.

Really Fredlyn, 4 out of 5? Yet he wins on approx 1 in 5.His strike is as good as any other. You obviously expect him to win on everything

Ihal essex,apologies as I didn't realise you were having a big-boy serious discussion. With that sophisticated insight and your shrewd racing brain then yes,Jamie and even Ruby should be subjest to your censure.

Firstimevisor : careful, stop the hysterics, perhaps firsttimevirgin a more appropriate moniker in these shark-infested water?

Now, I repeat and this time please engage at least one of your two brain cells before throwing a tizzy, Jamie Spencer and Ruby Walsh are untouchable as regards their disregard and contempt for punters (yes that includes you and your your 50pence L15s) and while clowns like you continue to excuse the inexcusable, then these two Cowboys will continue merrily shafting the betting public.

Mind you, perhaps you're a member of the Top Table.....? No, somehow I don't think so. Please don't cut down on the medication!

Ah now Ilhal, calm down.It may have been another bad day for you but dole-day is never too far away.

The day jockeys are answerable to the likes of yourself would be a very sad day for the sport and for true racing fans.

Firsttimeblindfold:: have you ever sought psychiatric help for your masochistic tendencies? Being a caring human being I'm seriously concerned as to your financial welfare - STOP BETTING IMMEDIATELY! Cut up your credit cards and first thing every morning chant: "Today, I will not bet on Jamie or Ruby."
You know it makes sense!

Another fantastic play on words essex. You could start up a new career right there.A proper little comedian you are.Keep on taking those pills and you'll be just fine.

Stop using my lines firsttimewhatever and please stop backing Jamie and Ruby - wisdom will percolate thru eventually (hopefully),  don't get stung dear boy! Give momma your pocket money back and keep chanting 'I will never back Ruby or Jamie again!'

Given Frank's well-known propensity to lose more races than he should, can anyone satisfactorily explain to me why trainers continue to employ him?

Zygote: the guy is talented but only uses that talent periodically, like when he's riding for owners like Michael Buckley and a Jamie Osborne job horse!

Zygote, the reason trainers employ him is because he is a top class jockey and the trainers are well aware of it, even if many punters are not.
He has one of the best pair of hands in the game. Horses run well for him because he gets them settled and they finish out their races well. Thats why he gets such stick here - as a general rule his horses are switched off and finish well, which doesn't necessarily mean they were unlucky when they don't win.

But people just love to see every horse ridden from the front, no matter how strong the pace is, just get to the front! Why this is so is beyond me.There are far,far more races lost by going too soon than by leaving it too late yet you would rarely see threads about it.So called positive rides are more often anything but.

Jordan Sport well done Jamie.

I think I'm having a seizure.  I could've (or if you're a chav, could of) sworn I saw a controlling front-running ride from Frank there.  Must've (or alternatively, must of) been a late jockey change.

He is a frustrating jockey yet it never bothered Barney Curley when the money had to be put down.

how can anyone stick up for this clown. Yes Feltfair he won on Jordan sport but so could any other jockey as it was the best horse in the race.

His strke rate is as good as the average jock but it could and should be a lot better. No real axe to grind as I learnt my lesson a long time ago.

Quite right, the best horse in the race won as always and this obsession with jockeys is misguided.

If Jamie is as useless as some on here suggest, in stead of coming on here crying, why aren't they keeping stum and making hay by laying the hell out of him on the exchange ?

wat a lucky **** - horse had about two stones

Masterful.  And not just because I layed the Cowell oss....

that was majestic tbf

dave1357 - wake up, admit it, the boy is class,

did JW just say - Frank Spencer is often leading on the winning line - is he stoned - he's usually second as line approaches
best horse won the race - yea it was a good ride - now watch him lose the next 4 he should have won on.

2,000th winner, wonder how many if should have been?

it

Spencer is a great jockey to back for a PLACE because you know he will be running on at the end at least?

Ashleigh - the boy cannot win with you lot. He loses, he's useless. He wins he should have won further. He knocks up two thousand, he should have had three. Need to get a grip.

Aug 12, 2017 -- 1:13PM, dave1357 wrote:

wat a lucky **** - horse had about two stones

would have some rating if that was true

Jockeys who drop everything out do well on the straight course at Ascot.

Fredlyn - so your very fair challenge is for JPS to win on the next 4 ? Mmm... that's reasonable.

Willoughby, the king of stats, has just explained how JPS is the best out there at the moment riding Ascot.

king of stats & sectional split times - you need to be sectioned if you believe that

Barton Bank

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Jockeys who drop everything out do well on the straight course at Ascot.

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Spot on.

it must be true then, never two words where twenty two will do

Fredlyn - I hate stats, have no time for them, or sectional times. I do know however that plenty on here swear by them.
JPS doesn't bother with sectional times either, his clock is in his head.
wHAT YOU CANNOT DETRACT FROM HOWEVER IS PERCENTAGES, AND jAMIE ISNT RIDING ALL THE FAVS LIKE rUBY OR McCoy USED TO.

willow does make some good points, but he has a blind spot over hold up horses and pace.  Most of the points he makes simply aren't valid for British racing.

dave1357 - I personally think Willo is a plankton. Talks abs scheister about stats that mean Jack Sh*t. McRirick was the same and Tanya has followed the trend.

Jamie is a massive talent - as Senna or the Tiger was - as was Fallon - they both have f*cked up more rides(and to a degree their careers)  than they should of , by getting it wrong too often ,trying to be to flash & coming from behind - miss timing it & coming second (KF more due to perceived dodgy connections than holding up) - JS  will still go down in history as the guy who lost more races , that he should have won -more so than any other jockey - by always holding up - coming too late & not getting there.

Does he clock malfunction when he sits last in slowly-run races then? He does it often enough.

His clock, sorry.

Barton Bank - your suggestion that JPS has fu*ked up his career to a degree made me laugh. It reminded me of the time Georgie Best was asked where it all went wrong, just as he was getting into a chauffeur driven limo, attractive lady on one hand, a glass of champagne in the other.
As for Tiger, the last time I looked in the record books, he is still the most successful golfer ever. I rest my case.

he couldnae make all could he

When did I say that? Over rated and rides a lot of bad races is my opinion.

Barton Bank - you said it at 1.33 pm

Apologies, it was Fredlyn who said that. You were attempting humour about a clock.

Er, no.