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Gravy train mob doing everything they can to come up with a legitimate reason for Buick's ride..
Thought he was gone so started to look after the horse, got it wrong, I suppose there is a modicum of credit to be given as once he realized he tried to get back and face this criticism whereas he could have looked after himself and let it drop away and we'd not have known.
Totally inept ride, Fahey must be incandescent - even Hanagan would have won on that!
very similar ride to the one he gave Stage Magic on its bow, that was easily forgivable but not this ride, he showed the courage of a mouse there
Absolute discrace, what was he thinking, A million pound race and he just gives up !!!!!!!!!!
Imagine the scenario: Breeders Cup Mile 6,000 miles away and an American jockey takes the ride and rides exactly the same race as Buick has just done! I suspect our wonderful pundits might view things a tad differently..
His biggest mistake was not coming all the way over to the rail, allowing Dettori to get a sniff. I thought he eased not because the horse hadn't got it but because he thought he was gonna get squeezed, and hadn't the balls to stand his ground.
Should have been right on the rail not leaving any room for the French horse. I wouldn't be able to sleep for weeks losing a race like that.
Like so many of our jockeys he fails to understand the tactical importance of staying on the rail when in the lead.
He allowed Frankie to come up inside him and that clearly unsettled Rib. You could see him cocking his head and looking over at
Zelzal.
If he stays on the rail Frankie has nowhere to go and he has a much better chance of winning.
He allowed Frankie to come up inside him and that clearly unsettled Rib. You could see him cocking his head and looking over at
Zelzal.
If he stays on the rail Frankie has nowhere to go and he has a much better chance of winning.
That was disgusting, nothing to do with the ground, he should have never given Frankie the chance to get on the rail
"meat in the sandwich" says Weaver. There was no sandwich at all, Buick stopped riding. Just say what we all saw man.
Interesting that so many on here know what Buick did wrong but all the pundits simply refuse to criticise anyone , as they are too close to the game.
a fine example of why WB is the most over rated jockey imo
Totally agree Slippy. Weaver ought to say it as it is!
The whole bunch of the racing media are a gutless bunch of cowards, not one of them have got any balls, we need the football media to take their places, they will tell how it is
Lack of determination to hold his ground cost him the race.
Plus the fact he went too slowly early on and made it sprint finish.
Plus the fact he went too slowly early on and made it sprint finish.
its sad that in football carragher/neville would slaughter a defender who messes up and in racing they are all desperately trying to tell the viewers black is white
Aug 2, 2017 -- 3:55PM, roggrain wrote:
Interesting that so many on here know what Buick did wrong but all the pundits simply refuse to criticise anyone , as they are too close to the game.
The big question is what do the serial jockey apologists on here think of the ride? You know who you are, come on 
I'd pick up for jockeys as much as anyone I would say but that is impossible to defend. He clearly stopped riding for whatever reason (possibly thought he was beaten) and then 100 yards or so later realises he isn't and starts riding again and almost gets back up
i would like to hear from buik, he knows he stopped riding like everyone else so why? is the question, maybe he had a good reason (like with stage magic), i'd be surprised if there isnt something in the stewards notes at the end of the day, this really does show the media up for what they are
I would like to see the head-on a few times.
They came close. He might have got a boot stuck against another horse/jockey.
He stopped. Perhaps something stopped him, or he thought the horse was in trouble.
They came close. He might have got a boot stuck against another horse/jockey.
He stopped. Perhaps something stopped him, or he thought the horse was in trouble.
What we need is Fitzy and Thommo to grill Buick forensically, as only they can, and then ask Fahey for his thoughts!
If that happened in India, Singapore or Hong Kong the stands would now be burning brightly and Buick would be a very nervous boy!
If that happened in India, Singapore or Hong Kong the stands would now be burning brightly and Buick would be a very nervous boy!
Front running cost him, the horse isn't picking up so he thinks it's beat. As soon as he gets a lead he picks up the bridle again and comes back in his hands. Obviously he's front run before but looks like he's getting lazy. The fact that the gravy men on ruk don't even mention that Buick stopped riding for 100 yrds is just embarrassing.
He clearly stopped riding for whatever reason (possibly thought he was beaten)
arrogance
he was still in the places and there was nothing wrong with the horse, should have been riding out to the line
arrogance
he was still in the places and there was nothing wrong with the horse, should have been riding out to the line
At least if it had been on ATR they would be reading out the e-mails
If he came on and admitted he'd fecked up he'd win most round in an instant.
gives up on an 8/13 shot yet tries like fack on a 12/1 shot bent as fack this game lol
Ribchester should have been was a steering job, however instead of getting on the rail and going a tad harder it seems he never had the trust in his horses superiority over the rest of the field and spent the majority of the race nursing him through it instead of putting the others to the sword.
THE QATAR SUSSEX STAKES (CLASS 1) (Group 1) (British Champions Series)
The Stewards held an enquiry to consider why William Buick, the rider of RIBCHESTER (IRE), placed second, had appeared to ease for a few strides approaching the final furlong. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race they noted his explanation that the gelding had lugged right-handed, and being mindful that he may run onto the heels of the winner, HERE COMES WHEN (IRE), he eased for a few strides before continuing to ride when the colt became re-balanced and ran straight again.
The Stewards held an enquiry to consider why William Buick, the rider of RIBCHESTER (IRE), placed second, had appeared to ease for a few strides approaching the final furlong. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race they noted his explanation that the gelding had lugged right-handed, and being mindful that he may run onto the heels of the winner, HERE COMES WHEN (IRE), he eased for a few strides before continuing to ride when the colt became re-balanced and ran straight again.
Aug 2, 2017 -- 4:19PM, Mat22 wrote:
gives up on an 8/13 shot yet tries like fack on a 12/1 shot bent as fack this game lol
anybody with a licence would have had won on that 2yo
Rishi embarrassing himself. Ask the questions that should be asked!
" strange race "
" havent seen the reply "
" unsatisfactory " . Rishi agreed with the last bit
" havent seen the reply "
" unsatisfactory " . Rishi agreed with the last bit
Buick not up to snuff.
You think that happens to De Sousa???
You think that happens to De Sousa???
Only one question to ask - had you not stopped riding would you have won? Not rocket science but Persad as gutless as the rest.
Rishi should have asked him do you think you should stayed on the rail and deny Frankie the room?
Very poor ride,was interviewed but blamed the horse not himself which I didn't like!
Would think Godolphin will have a look at this ride too.Dettori out thought him and Buick didn't have the balls to shut him in......
Would think Godolphin will have a look at this ride too.Dettori out thought him and Buick didn't have the balls to shut him in......
Race 4 - 3:35pm
THE QATAR SUSSEX STAKES (CLASS 1) (Group 1) (British Champions Series)
The Stewards held an enquiry to consider why William Buick, the rider of RIBCHESTER (IRE), placed second, had appeared to ease for a few strides approaching the final furlong. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race they noted his explanation that the gelding had lugged right-handed, and being mindful that he may run onto the heels of the winner, HERE COMES WHEN (IRE), he eased for a few strides before continuing to ride when the colt became re-balanced and ran straight again.
The Stewards held an enquiry to consider why RIBCHESTER (IRE) and TOSCANINI (IRE), both trained by Richard Fahey, had failed to parade in the correct order for this race. They interviewed the trainer. Having heard his evidence, the Stewards found the trainer in breach of Rule (B)30 and fined him £1000.
THE QATAR SUSSEX STAKES (CLASS 1) (Group 1) (British Champions Series)
The Stewards held an enquiry to consider why William Buick, the rider of RIBCHESTER (IRE), placed second, had appeared to ease for a few strides approaching the final furlong. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race they noted his explanation that the gelding had lugged right-handed, and being mindful that he may run onto the heels of the winner, HERE COMES WHEN (IRE), he eased for a few strides before continuing to ride when the colt became re-balanced and ran straight again.
The Stewards held an enquiry to consider why RIBCHESTER (IRE) and TOSCANINI (IRE), both trained by Richard Fahey, had failed to parade in the correct order for this race. They interviewed the trainer. Having heard his evidence, the Stewards found the trainer in breach of Rule (B)30 and fined him £1000.
cursory mention about the ride on RUK
the stewards asked about it & noted thecomments
the stewards asked about it & noted thecomments
The breach of rule should include free bets to the value of the stake staked to all people who backed this coont
RUK mention it after it becomes official, but too timid to say anything immediately after the race
As a wounded but hopefully not vindictive punter I struggle to see how Buick can emerge from this sufficiently intact that any top class stable would want to trust him again. I imagine Fahey will be having a word with Godolphin regarding future riding arrangements for his stable star. It will take a long time for this catastrophic riding error to leave the racing public consciousness!
its about time he was absolutely hammered by them for substandard riding
grossly overrated jockey
grossly overrated jockey
Buick did nothing wrong and I think some of you must be watching a different race.
As for the suggestion by some in this thread that he couldn't care less (or words to that effect) in a Gr1 with his jockey share of over £500k prize money for the winner, then that's just embarrassing!
As for the suggestion by some in this thread that he couldn't care less (or words to that effect) in a Gr1 with his jockey share of over £500k prize money for the winner, then that's just embarrassing!
He did nothing wrong??
The first mistake he made was not getting the rail and staying there... A blind man could see that!
The first mistake he made was not getting the rail and staying there... A blind man could see that!
Has Fahey commented yet or do we have to wait for the 9pm watershed?
Birchy said maybe punters never delved deep enough re Here Comes When!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a koont
he was interviewed ihal - but was refained...
In chains?
In chains?
OK I'll rephrase that slightly.
He did little wrong and whilst he could have done things a bit better, as in make sure Dettori had no chance of even trying to barge his way up the rail, which is what happened and cost Buick the race, it was still down to Dettori more than Buick that Ribchester was beaten.
The reason Buick was halted in riding his finish was Dettori bumping him and than waving his whip in Ribchester's face and horses won't run into another jockey's whip. You can call me all the clueless names you like but it's there on the race video for all to see.
He did little wrong and whilst he could have done things a bit better, as in make sure Dettori had no chance of even trying to barge his way up the rail, which is what happened and cost Buick the race, it was still down to Dettori more than Buick that Ribchester was beaten.
The reason Buick was halted in riding his finish was Dettori bumping him and than waving his whip in Ribchester's face and horses won't run into another jockey's whip. You can call me all the clueless names you like but it's there on the race video for all to see.
it was still down to Dettori more than Buick that Ribchester was beaten
The reason Buick was halted in riding his finish was Dettori bumping him and than waving his whip in Ribchester's face
if buicks race riding skills were up to top class level , he would have made sure he kept the rail when he crossed over , if he did this, then at no point would your two statements above have happened
The reason Buick was halted in riding his finish was Dettori bumping him and than waving his whip in Ribchester's face
if buicks race riding skills were up to top class level , he would have made sure he kept the rail when he crossed over , if he did this, then at no point would your two statements above have happened
Fahey fined £1000 for not parading his horses in correct order? If that's true what a bunch of officious pr***s!
With all the obvious non-triers getting their handicap marks lowered you would hope they would be concentrating on serious breaches
of the rules but no,a trainer gets the book thrown at him for not parading in order. Must be some ex army types in the stewards 'room.
With all the obvious non-triers getting their handicap marks lowered you would hope they would be concentrating on serious breaches
of the rules but no,a trainer gets the book thrown at him for not parading in order. Must be some ex army types in the stewards 'room.
Fahey fined £1000 for not parading his horses in correct order? If that's true what a bunch of officious pr***s!
With all the obvious non-triers getting their handicap marks lowered you would hope they would be concentrating on serious breaches
of the rules but no,a trainer gets the book thrown at him for not parading in order. Must be some ex army types in the stewards 'room.
With all the obvious non-triers getting their handicap marks lowered you would hope they would be concentrating on serious breaches
of the rules but no,a trainer gets the book thrown at him for not parading in order. Must be some ex army types in the stewards 'room.
Yeah that's fair enough pablo-fanque and I conceded that after koikeeper mentioned it, even thought I knew as soon as I had sent my original message that I probably should have said little wrong rather than nothing.
Yet but since Buick didn't completely take the rail out of the equation for Dettori (and it's arguable as to whether he was entitled to try for that run and more a case of him having no no better option) my points then stand regarding the bump and Dettori's whip and it certainly does about Buick not caring about things too.
Yet but since Buick didn't completely take the rail out of the equation for Dettori (and it's arguable as to whether he was entitled to try for that run and more a case of him having no no better option) my points then stand regarding the bump and Dettori's whip and it certainly does about Buick not caring about things too.
I have to admit I'm with ima on this one. Buick SHOULD have shut the door on Dettori as soon as he got over to the rail. He didn't and it was that that got him into the ensuing trouble.
The armchair jockeys are out in force today.......The only person who can tell you what happened with the horse is the jockey not your impressions from your comfortable chair in front of the TV.
MY impression for what its worth.....the horse semed to hesitate when DEttori tried to come up his inside and only ran on when Dettori dropped back....was absolutely out of the jockeys control.If 1/2 a ton of racehorse decides to do whatever it wants 9stone of jockey can do FA about it.
MY impression for what its worth.....the horse semed to hesitate when DEttori tried to come up his inside and only ran on when Dettori dropped back....was absolutely out of the jockeys control.If 1/2 a ton of racehorse decides to do whatever it wants 9stone of jockey can do FA about it.
just watched race for first time tonight, agree with ima, salmon etc only thing he did wrong was not keeping to rail
by being a horse out from rail he ran out of room then finished with a real flourish only reason he stopped riding briefly was
to not bring ribchester down or put frankie over the rails, he was obv a very unlucky loser
by being a horse out from rail he ran out of room then finished with a real flourish only reason he stopped riding briefly was
to not bring ribchester down or put frankie over the rails, he was obv a very unlucky loser
That is the point, if he stayed on the rail,no room for Frankie and he would have won, so for that it was poor riding
Buick DID everything WRONG in that race today. He hadn't the balls to go thru with it. Nothing to do with the horse. Horse would have went on if jockey allows him. It's in those situations that u need the likes of Fallon, Eddery, Murtagh, etc on top
But the point I was trying to make and maybe not as well as I could have initially, was that whilst Buick should have bagged the rail completely, the fact he didn't doesn't allow Dettori to barge his way into trying for a run, once he knew he had his own horse racing in a poor position.
ima - u know and I know if Kieron was on top we all know who wins.
Oh dear we must have reached the 'blindingly obvious' as the Forum's own Henry Fonda has rolled up. I used to like that film.
Irrespective of track position the interview with Persad confirms that he wrongly assumed that the horse had nothing left to offer and consequently he gave up allowing the winner to develop a winning advantage.
Irrespective of track position the interview with Persad confirms that he wrongly assumed that the horse had nothing left to offer and consequently he gave up allowing the winner to develop a winning advantage.
I've always said on here Kriskin that it's often more about bad luck and/or decision making when a jockey is an unlucky loser, rather than that jockey couldn't ride his granny, as some on here tend to say.
Kieren had both bad luck in running and made certain race riding decisions like all jockeys do that resulted in unlucky losses. I even remember after the Bosra Sham ride in the Eclipse, the late Christopher Poole, the London Evening Standard racing correspondent claiming Fallon was little more than average ex-northern based job jockey, not up to the it as Henry Cecil's jockey and out of his depth.
Kieren had both bad luck in running and made certain race riding decisions like all jockeys do that resulted in unlucky losses. I even remember after the Bosra Sham ride in the Eclipse, the late Christopher Poole, the London Evening Standard racing correspondent claiming Fallon was little more than average ex-northern based job jockey, not up to the it as Henry Cecil's jockey and out of his depth.
Just watched the replay on RUK there. This ride gets worse every time I watch it. That was AWFUL. Fahey the man I know well will be livid. Buick will NOT ride this horse again
Fascinating and hugely important race for the future of Ribchester's trainer and jockey.
Fahey's reputation must be diminished by stating before the race that he would "leave it to the boys" to decide the tactics. Too laid back in a race of this importance. Most observers expected rank outsider Toscanini to be the pacemaker. Even Hoiles' commentary wrongly said Toscanini was in the lead entering the hone straight.
Buick illustrated why he is just a good and not a great jockey. He had the lead but did not seem able to control Ribchester entering the final furlong. Buick's decision to stop riding the horse for a vital couple of seconds definitely cost Ribchester,who finished strongly,the race. I fully endorse Kriskin's comments at 20.20 and would add Piggott to the list.
It will be interesting to see if Fahey receives any more patronage from Godolphin and how Buick's career with Godolphin pans out after this afternoon's fiasco.
Fahey's reputation must be diminished by stating before the race that he would "leave it to the boys" to decide the tactics. Too laid back in a race of this importance. Most observers expected rank outsider Toscanini to be the pacemaker. Even Hoiles' commentary wrongly said Toscanini was in the lead entering the hone straight.
Buick illustrated why he is just a good and not a great jockey. He had the lead but did not seem able to control Ribchester entering the final furlong. Buick's decision to stop riding the horse for a vital couple of seconds definitely cost Ribchester,who finished strongly,the race. I fully endorse Kriskin's comments at 20.20 and would add Piggott to the list.
It will be interesting to see if Fahey receives any more patronage from Godolphin and how Buick's career with Godolphin pans out after this afternoon's fiasco.
I didn't see the interview with Rishi so can't really comment on it, only to say I've seen others in the past talk of a particular interview that was nothing like what was actually said.
As has already been mentioned in the thread earlier, I thought Buick had explained things by saying:
"the horse had lugged right-handed, and being mindful that he may run onto the heels of the winner, eased for a few strides before continuing to ride when the colt became re-balanced and ran straight again."
Maybe the lugging right down the camber was what stopped him completely taking the rail, although he did then drift left away from a right-hand whip but that's when Dettori tried to go up his inner and bumped him, pushing him to the right.
As has already been mentioned in the thread earlier, I thought Buick had explained things by saying:
"the horse had lugged right-handed, and being mindful that he may run onto the heels of the winner, eased for a few strides before continuing to ride when the colt became re-balanced and ran straight again."
Maybe the lugging right down the camber was what stopped him completely taking the rail, although he did then drift left away from a right-hand whip but that's when Dettori tried to go up his inner and bumped him, pushing him to the right.
Poor Buick.
If he'd have just continued easing down, no-one would have batted an eyelid
and the Forum and the (Social) Media would have been sympathetic with him and the horse
beaten by the terrible conditions.
If he'd have just continued easing down, no-one would have batted an eyelid
and the Forum and the (Social) Media would have been sympathetic with him and the horse
beaten by the terrible conditions.
He has been proven lacking in the minerals department all too often.
Ever since The Fugue I have had it in for him, will still back with him on but prefer not to.
Ever since The Fugue I have had it in for him, will still back with him on but prefer not to.
was out today just watched WTF
Looked Beat TBH But Looked like he Just gave up ,then Had 2nd Thoughts when frankie found nothing
WTF Looked Beat TBH But Looked like he Just gave up ,then Had 2nd Thoughts when frankie found nothing
Mr F was hugely diplomatic I thought little disappointed though Sheikh Mo must send him a few more horses.
Nice to see this thread still going. In my Buick thread my opening post was 'Never saw a stranger ride.'
It's not what I wanted to say because pocket talking might have entered the equation. Just watched the race a again with gritted teeth and it's good to see so many forumites calling a spade a spade.
It's not what I wanted to say because pocket talking might have entered the equation. Just watched the race a again with gritted teeth and it's good to see so many forumites calling a spade a spade.
it was a terrible and gutless ride. Not corrupt just inept, he failed to secure the rail and shut off his inside which is bad enough when dictating and then he didn't have the balls to narrow the gap and get Frankie thinking about grapes and IV feeds. If he allowed Rib to race undistracted by another horse or jockeys whip then Fahey would have no complaint. Thou shall not go up my inner was once a sacred tenet.
The worst winning ride youll see all week. Horse got him out of sheet
one horse I never expected to collect from ..
all sorts of trouble on trouble on trouble .. Buick .. tried to the end that looked ..............NYE . .. RATHER PULLED IT OFF AGAINST ALL ODDS ..
Uncomfortable VIEWING .. IF YOUR LIFE WAS ON THE LINE . ????
all sorts of trouble on trouble on trouble .. Buick .. tried to the end that looked ..............NYE . .. RATHER PULLED IT OFF AGAINST ALL ODDS ..
Uncomfortable VIEWING .. IF YOUR LIFE WAS ON THE LINE . ????
was it the first horse this week to find trouble up the straight ?
If you pause the video on the link below on 5 seconds and look how tight it is between Buick and Dettori and how big a gap between Buick and Crowley, with Crowley on the winner being around 4 horses width off the rail. Then let the video run and pause it again at 10 seconds and compare the new positions of all three, then there's your answer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UobADhYqbfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UobADhYqbfg
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