If you were the Coolmore Mafia would you make Seamus Heffernan numero uno ?...

In my mind.... he'd make less **** up's in G 1 races !

^ c ock

We know they went quick at Epsom, and WOE finished strongly going past ''spent'' horse's !


Why not set the fractions today, and dictate from the front !

Cracksman unlucky today, it has to be said !

Post @ 22.03 ^... strong gallop not an issue ?..

You going on about c ock again Hal.you love it dont ya

seamie has been there for many years.knows the horses inside out

Nice and interesting discussion with yourself there Halcyon .F.w.I.w , having Seamie aboard wouldn't put me off backing them.

i would back seamie before moore

Bearing in mind that Coolmore need to win G1 races to produce stallions-if Moore wasn't up to scratch and they thought he was costing them races and hence affecting their future stallion business he'd be out very quickly.

Tbf, he does a lovely job for Denis Hogan too

George going to Pm you.

Cheers workrider, reply sent.

I'd not be put off backing Heffernan on any AOB's horses over Moore given the below average winning percentage from Moore. Also, you'd get a better price for Heffernan's mounts.

Piggott was on a percentage of breeding value/income, I believe, is Moore on the same financial terms? If so, I'd ditch Moore tomorrow because he loses too many races he ought to have won, I firmly believe.

If anyone on here thinks Moore should of won yesterdays Derby can you post your bets for today so i can lay the b0ll0cks off them.  Many thanks

I've said it before. Seamie would be a top five jockey if riding in the UK. (NAP)

Try Journey in the Pretty Polly at 16:20 at the Curragh today,...it could not get a worse ride than given to Cracksman or Waldgeist, could it?

Slight bit unfair. Wings of Eagles blew his sesamoid yesterday and is now retired.

Slight bit unfair. Wings of Eagles blew his sesamoid yesterday and is now retired.

better rider than RM - he's often used when Bally d want to set a gamble up also , SH rides outsiders to win or get placed at big odds

In Ireland I'd prefer Heffernan to Moore solely because he rides the horses at work - massive advantage - and knows the Irish tracks inside out better than Moore; horses win races, and jockeys lose races.

I think if the moneys down - its a no brainer - RM too like frank Spencer ,you just can't depend on that

Common John, Derek & Michael...


it's a no brainer !

That's where you might fit the denominator hal

Aye, and you're the ''numerator'' who gets shafted by his own son !   

Obviously not, what a fall from grace,from riding top class horses to also rans,whatever happened it must been serious.

When you say"riding""also rans".....?

6 booked rides for 5 different trainers this evening at Leopardstown.

Yes but look at prices of the majority of his rides,mostly outsiders, something definitely went down at ballydoyle

No luck today sp of his runners
7/1, 10/1, 8/1, 33/1, 12/1 and 150/1.

ryan moore could get 4 winners tomorrow

Not a great start to the season for Seamus,  I wonder how much longer he will keep going, it must be demoralising for him,watching all the ballydoyle horses, and he riding mostly no hopers.

It's a sad end to a great career, I don't think he has a ride today.

Does anyone know what actually happened, was SH booted, or he for some reason quit. Seems incredibly unlikely he'd willingly give up the cash cow. Obviously at his age he's not going improve on what he was giving up. Didn't appear to be declining in the saddle, ie still achieving AOB's objectives.

Could Adelaide River have won the 2023 Irish Derby with Seamie aboard? He didn't exactly wear out his whip arm in the closing stages while Ryan was all out to get his 4/11 stablemate home.
It wasn't the only time he looked unusually tepid in a finish. Maybe he just got tired of playing second fiddle.

Does anyone know what actually happened, was SH booted, or he for some reason quit. Seems incredibly unlikely he'd willingly give up the cash cow. Obviously at his age he's not going improve on what he was giving up. Didn't appear to be declining in the saddle, ie still achieving AOB's objective


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From what I heard and sounds plausible,he felt Wayne Lordan was starting to get more and more of the Moore cast offs that he would normally be  no guaranteed to get on and chucked the toys out.

He was passed by Lordan last night on an O'Brien hotpot in the shadow of the post on Leopardstown and him on a Fozzy Stack rag.

*be guaranteed to get on*

It  makes sense punchestown, I would always have thought he was a better jockey than Lordan,  but just my opinion.

Lordan is part of the clan.

Won the Wokingham,  and 2nd in the Chesham, a good days work for Seami, fair play to him.

Heffernan is top class , there must hsve been something said by heffernan to push him out , all them cool more mafia are precious with themselves including o brien , u have to be a three bags sir man , I've inkling heffernan said something to push him out

Lordan doesn't have strength of heffernan in finish , he is very good jockey all the same

AOB is super-accommodating with the lads and their families. He's always prioritising them at photo-shoots in the Winners' Enclosure enclosure. I understand the lads are getting on a fair bit nevertheless, it does look overdone at times; the families of the lads are not decrepit, or mobility challenged.

I just think Aiden's a natural fusspot,impossible

Maybe so. However, always putting the lads and their families 1st before his own or his loyal staff comes across as a very extreme and old fashion servitude to a distinguished noble lord or Royal family. I hope he gets a share of the breeding rights of every charge he's trained.

I think AOB can name his price to work with/for any major outfit he wants eg Juddmonte, Aga Khan, etc. I think one of the majors will reward him well too.

I agree. He should think about leaving the powerhouse that is Coolmore and seek employment elsewhere.

You're a little bit behind the times Brandy.

“given the below average winning percentage of Moore”!
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