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So what is your view Acey? Simple "Trainer dopes horse and gets caught" is it?
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Whoever administered a steroid to a very poor horse, it was least likely to have been the trainer but he has to carry the can whoever did it.
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This case poses the same question that was never satisfactorily answered in the Chemical Nicky case - why was a 14/1 no hoper that finished last selected for a dope test in the first place? The BHA will admit that 99% of samples are taken from winners and beaten favourites - a 'random' test picking out this filly is just too much of a coincidence to be credible.
And if the filly was sampled on the basis of 'information received', do the BHA know who provided the information? The only previous case of a trainer caught giving Nandrolone was Howard Johnson, who admitted to getting his vet to inject three horses that in his words 'needed a boost'. He got a one year ban for that, which was added to the three year ban awarded at the same hearing for racng a horse that had been given a nerve deadening operation. |
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I had an outisder tested this season. Well beaten too. And some winners are NOT being tested.
If the BHA weren't acting on info the idea someone else doped the horse and she got randomly selected is a million to one imo. |
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In fact i'd suggest they are testing some no hopers so they can say "look no positives in x of tests"
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Where do you get that 99% from anorak?
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From conversation on the racecourse with a member of the BHA security staff.
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Thanks. I thought they chose the winner or a random. Or both. (obvs beaten favs is a diff matter). I must have been very unlucky to have a 25/1 shot tested :/
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Apologies if i got that wrong Fear It is juts that i remembered some interviewer on tv saying he was a Baron
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His elder brother is Baron Margadale. Their father was the 2nd baron.
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Their father (or possibly grandfather) had horses trained by Jeremy Tree who oldtimers will remember was a very good trainer.
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Yes, famous for training Quest For Fame and Rainbow Quest, I think.
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From the Fonthill stud's website....
Stud History John Morrison (The First Lord Margadale) made his entry into racehorse ownership at the Newmarket sales in 1952 buying an unraced two year old Fellermelad and a yearling filly Caol Ila. The following year Fellermelad provided a win for Lord Margadale’s newly registered colours on their debut at Newbury in April. With twelve foals in fourteen years Caol Ila did well for Fonthill Stud with her son Whisky Poker achieving the last of seventeen wins as a ten year old. Emancipation acquired in 1955 produced a superior daughter Spree which won the Nassau Stakes and was second in the 1000 Guineas. However it was her half-sister Set Free which was to earn all the accolades for Fonthill. She earned a unique place in the annals of the turf during the 1970’s as being the first mare to be accredited with two winners of the Oaks and a winner of the St Leger. Set Free was mated with Blakeney resulting in Juliette Marny who won the 1975 Oaks and Irish Guiness Oaks. Three years later her own brother Julio Mariner won the St.Leger. James Morrison (Hugh's father) took over his father’s bloodstock interests in 1972 (the year Juliette Marny was foaled) and saw his colours carry a second Oaks vistory by the half-sister Scintillate. |
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"..why was a 14/1 no hoper that finished last selected for a dope test in the first place?"
I've read many reports about this, which all talk of the horse being a no-hoper who wasn't fancied by anyone but I haven't seen anyone mention that the horse was backed from 22/1-12/1. http://www.skysports.com/racing/results/full-result/758718/wolverhampton/14-01-2017/betway-marathon-handicap |
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I certainly wouldn't expect the BHA to disclose their reasoning for testing the horse and have to say HM didn't come over too well in that interview;his eyes were all over the place. Nevertheless I don't believe he deliberately allowed the drug to be administered.
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do most gambles get selected for routine testing.
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He is bang to rights and you all know it!
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You almost seem pleased Busvaldo
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Not really Blackbarn,just disappointed.
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On this ground, his runner Marmelo has to go really close in the Yorkshire Cup today. Will it be tested?
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As a deterrent it is good news, isn't it?
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Really love if his won the yorkshire cup!
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member of his team caught urinating in a stable today @ York. What a dope
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he comes across on the TV as a good egg so based on that you'd say he's not guilty
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Someone is out to defame the trainer.
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once this happened he should have had his staff on the ball regarding everything. major error today
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I am sure that Mick Fitz is correct that Hugh is an absolute gentleman but I am struggling to think of how their social circles have mixed. Sometimes it is almost as though Mick says the first thing that comes into his head without really knowing what he is talking about.
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listening to fitzy and co explaining this away,one can only assume zaroni was a right wrong,un hated within the game,who everyone new was at it,when in reality if you,d have asked fitzy,s and the pundits opinion about zaroni the day before his story broke,they,d have trooted out the morrison line gentlemen,would has he to gain,suicide to give a horse drugs blah,blah
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I'd accept there were valid reasons for Zarooni to steroid his inmates. The question then was and now still is...why did he suddenly withdraw his appeal when vehemently denying the charges against him initially? Also, did the BHA not super quick to cut and shut the case? The ramification and dominance of Sheikh Mo and co for racing and locality perhaps?
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took one for the team as they say
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and the BHA had "matthew Lohn" to rubberstamp the penalty
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Addictedtowinning 19 May 17 21:11
I am sure that Mick Fitz is correct that Hugh is an absolute gentleman but I am struggling to think of how their social circles have mixed. Sometimes it is almost as though Mick says the first thing that comes into his head without really knowing what he is talking about. -------------- 'Nail on head'. |
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heard the loon chapmen say it wasnt up to morrison to prove himself innocent ,but for the bha to prove him guilty,theyve done that ,the positive samples prove him guilty,how it happened is morrisons problem not the bha,s,any other system just lets the trainers let someon e else in the yard take the blame for morrison s 10 grand for example or even in morrisons case or top trainers,50,100,150,200,grand not even the price of a half decent horse
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heard the loon chapmen say it wasnt up to morrison to prove himself innocent ,but for the bha to prove him guilty,theyve done that ,the positive samples prove him guilty,how it happened is morrisons problem not the bha,s,any other system just lets the trainers let someon e else in the yard take the blame for morrison s 10 grand for example or even in morrisons case or top trainers,50,100,150,200,grand not even the price of a half decent horse
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Athletes are responsible for what gets in their system. Has to be the same with horses. BHA always does their uptmost to get them off anyway. George Scott had a failed drugs test recently and the BHA praised him for his stable management and record keeping. The urinating in the stable thing shows Morrison doesn't 't understand the importance of it all, im0.
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All just guesswork , ffs just calm down post your views once . Posh well spoken twetts usually get off with a small ban fine , this game is rotten but so well schooled nothing that turns up shocks the average punter. You just expect nothing to be done its outrageous but understandable but baffling that not one racing journalist dares to say anything that will rock the deep gravy boat. Horse racing is like no other sport imo amateur judges the whole thing is in need of a massive shake up but who dares shake it?
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