BENT SPS HOW LONG CAN THIS CARRY ON!

The Grand National SPs are scandalous, of that there can be no doubt.

The books will tell you its market forces,we know different,its shameful what happens to once a year punters .Never a word said againt.

cheltenham sps were shocking this year..donny always had a rep for greedy bookies..others catching up.

national is well known for shortening most horses up near off its a BIG ripp off that happens every year

KENNY YOUR MISSING THE POINT,THE VALUE ONCOURSE FOR THE PUNTER IS FANTASTIC AND NEVER BEEN BETTER,THIS ISNT REFLECTED IN THE SPS BEING RETURNED TO THE BETTING SHOPS WHICH ARE CORRUPT!

TONY MCOYS LAST NATIONAL MOUNT SHUTTHEFRONTDOOR WAS RETURNED 6/1 WHEN THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS (95%) WERE A MINIMUM OF 9/1,THE SP WAS FRAUDELENT AND HAD THE HORSE WON WOULD HAVE DEPRIVED THE BETTING PUBLIC OUT OF MILLIONS!

afternoon lord facts hope ya on the mend ,,,,shutthefrontdoors sp was a disgrace as we had twelve on the board at the off many had between ten and fourteen and only joes were trying to shorten it up !!!

HI DAVE,HOPEFULLY BACK FOR SUMMER,SO FRUSTRATING WATCHING RACING AND SEEING SOME OF THE SPS BEING RETURNED,LAST WEEK AT WOLVS A HORSE WAS RETURNED 7/4, 4.3 ON HERE,ITS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS BUT ITS BECOMING MORE PREVELANT,THEY ARE DRIVING PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE GAME BOTH ONCOURSE BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY OFF!

business was very good in the good pitches at Doncaster on Saturday , facts , where were you ?

sorry , if you're still not fit enough to join the merry band but your dulcet tones were missed

Educate me


How and who are rigging SP's ??

BY "GOOD PITCHES" DO YOU MEAN THE ONES THAT WERE LAYING 9/2 THE HORSE THAT WAS 11/2 FREELY OFFERED???? AS FOR ME ADGE I WISH I HAD BEEN THERE BUT MY INJURIES WONT ALLOW IT AT THE MO

sorry to hear that you're still not back to full fitness. yes the 9/2 each of two was being snapped up. can't confirm if the 11/2 on the back lines was...........too busy

ZSA,EVERY DAY SP RETURNERS ARE RETURNING HORSES WAY BELOW THE PRICES BEING OFFERED BY THE MAJORITY OF ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS,THERE ARE THE CHOSEN FEW THAT ARE IN THE "SAMPLE" THE SAMPLE BEING THE BOOKMAKERS CHOSEN TO HAVE THEIR PRICES USED FOR THE SP,THIS IS A CLOSELY GUARDED SECRET THAT NO ONE IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW,BUT THE REPS FROM THE BIG THREE SEEM TO HAVE AN UNCANNY SKILL OF BEING ABLE TO GUESS WHO THEY ARE THE CRITERIA FOR BEING IN THE"SAMPLE" SEEMS TO BE YOU WONT LAY A BET UNLESS YOU CAN FIRE IT ALL BACK INTO HERE

who owns copyright of the SP system? therein lies the problem. The SP executive are a puppet for the real owners

The SP returned is the best price available on 50% of the boards in the sample. The sample on a normal day chooses itself with few bookmakers in attendance but on busier days like Aintree, Cheltenham, Royal Ascot etc...the sample will be selected by the SP Validator employed by PA Sport. SiS, Turf TV and The Racing Partnership (Arena tracks) will use the same books for betting shows. The course reps employed by Ladbrokes, W Hills and Corals are not supposed to be aware of who is and who isn't in the sample. Unsurprisingly, they always are and the SP Executive are well aware of this but chose to do nothing about it.

SO THIS RANCID, FRAUDULENT,CORRUPT SYSTEM IS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE,AS IN MOST CASES THE BENEFICIARIES ARE THE PROMINENT PITCH HOLDERS WHO JUST HAPPEN IN MOST CASES TO BE BOOKMAKERS REPRESENTATION ON MOST IF NOT ALL ORGANISATIONS,THE SWAMP NEEDS DRAINING BUT AT THE MOMENT I DONT KNOW HOW!

Exposure on a stage far more public than this one might be one way Fact.

Democrat people simply don't want to know, no one has sympathy for gamblers, other than other gamblers it would seem

ftr adge your board was on primetime itv on saturday...

DEMOCRAT,YOUR QUITE RIGHT SOCIAL MEDIA IS NOW VERY POWERFUL,THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE STOPPED THEY TRUELLY ARE KILLING THE GAME!

The converse of that argument Big is that people have even less sympathy for bookmakers ! QED

Social media is one mechanism Fact. I was thinking more along the lines of National press.

CHAV,UNFORTUNATELY ADGE BETS YORKSHIRE EWAY TERMS AS DO MOST OF THE FRONT LINE AND "GOOD PITCHES"

id wager 8/15 he could spell truly though

no e/w terms required

DEMOCRAT,SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE AND IF ITS VIA THE NATIONAL PRESS THEN SO BE IT,HAD SHUTTHEFRONT DOOR WON THE HEADLINES WOULD HAVE BEEN "NATIONAL DISGRACE" ALL ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS AT ALL RACECOURSES WOULD HAVE BEEN TARRED WITH THE SAME BRUSH WITH EVEN MORE IRREPRIBLE DAMAGE BEING DONE THAN WHATS TAKING PLACE DAILY AT OUR RACECOURSES!

yes , they barge in and set up with matt chapman , cameraman , sound engineer totally stopping you taking bets. don't ask permission. anyway I was 4/1 oh this is us when matt started but altered the show to 9/2 each of two immediately to mess him up [ which it apparently didn't ]...for those interested in these things oh this is us was 5.5 on here at the time

22 runners 1/4 odds 1-2-3-4 in the Lincoln

SPELLING NOT HIGH ON MOST BOOKMAKERS AGENDA TRULLY

Did your change have a DOMINO effect adge ? Boom boom. How did you get on last night by the way ?

ADGE VERY RARELY KNOCKS

SINCE HE WAS REPRIMANDED FOR KNOCKING WITH A GOER!

winter season ended..team finished second at both darts and at dominoes..summer season starts Monday of week after mayday so no games

He knocks SPOTS off all the other layers !!

HE KNOCKS SPOTS OF HIS EWAY TERMS

Summer League dominoes ??? Bring it on !!!

do you bet on the summer dominos? I'm in if so

You can have 'double six' anytime ! But not 66/1 !!

i'll always bet on myself , bigfield

I will be telling all the punters on Saturday take the early price
as sure as god made little green apples it will shorten
regards
ronnie

adge, straight dominoes or 5s and 3s?

straight dominoes..9 players per team

SPOT ON RONNIE!

sorry that your threads getting a bit hijacked , fact.
in the national the course books mostly start betting at 10.00 am and all punters are on a good 15 minutes before off time.
thus in those last 15 minutes almost the only bets placed are from those shady little creatures shortening the price with a small handful of the 150 or so books in tatts and rails. all achieved in a quiet orderly fashion

the other 130 or so books are still displaying the same price at the off as they did 15 minutes earlier

adge I like your style good luck this weekend

quick question adge
do the firms ever bet with you

quick question adge
are you shorts and sandals or speedos and flip flops for summer dominoes

Don't Push It winning the 2010 Grand National, S.P. return was 10/1 JF when 16/1 and 18/1 was freely available on course at the off.

very rarely Ronnie...hills about 2 bets a year , corals maybe 5 bets a year , Ladbrokes never [ but I'm never in the sample ]
sandals all summer, chavman.
don't push it was only 16/1 with me

thanks for the reply adge

talking about lads what has happened to noel

nice

Redundant ronnie

Is the gambling commission in the pockets of the High Street 'bookies' or is it worth referring them to this?

ROG, THE GC ARE USELESS AND NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE,THEIR MOTTO IS SOMETHING LIKE "KEEPING GAMBLING OPEN AND SAFE FOR ALL" YOU COULDNT MAKE IT UP!

That answers both parts of my question,facts!

Could the books in the sp sample,be of the opinion,you dont bite the hand that feeds you.

COULD THE BOOKS IN THE CURRENT SP SAMPLE BE COMPLICIT IN FRAUD ???

I am surprised that anyone with a Betfair subscription bets with high street bookmakers.

SOME PEOPLE WANT MORE THAN A FIVER ON!

sageform
still  some first class independents about

have a good day
regards
ronnie

SHOCK, MATT CHAPMAN LIVE ON ITV "CHARBEL RETURNED 6/5 BUT I CAN TELL YOU ON THE OFF THERE WAS LOADS OF 6/4 IN THE RING" HOW DO THESE FRAUDSTERS GET AWAY WITH IT????????????

Betfair SP was below 6/5.

NOT INTERESTED IN BETFAIR,THE PRICES FREELY AVAILABLE TO THE RACING PUBLIC(TO GOOD MONEY) ARE NOT BEING REURNED TO BETTING SHOPS,HOW CAN THIS NOT BE FRAUDULENT????

As long as there are bookies,fact. They are the epitome of the Capitalism that controls everything included those elected to run this so-called

democracy.

BUT ITS THE PEOPLE RETURNING THE SPS THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO BOOK!

The SP's are determined by the prices at the off,facts. The bookies bring those prices in at the last minute. It's the system that's at fault.

The SP returners are just the messengers.

We all know betfair sp more accurate why can't we add small percentage to that to keep bookies happy because we do need them for atmosphere if nothing else, went racing in states once and it was soulless

We all know betfair sp more accurate why can't we add small percentage to that to keep bookies happy because we do need them for atmosphere if nothing else, went racing in states once and it was soulless

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/racecards/2017-04-08/aintree/live-show/213147/randox-health-grand-national-(grade-3-handicap-chase)
132%

one on the a/w last week returned sp of 14/1 ..  b/f sp 31/1.   

.. oh it must be a hard life being an on course bookie.

How do the books responsible for keeping em short @
the off get rewarded by the off course brigade? brown envelopes /freebie holiday /new cars whats the deal?

Geoff. The favourite in a horse race us trading on the bookies board at 2/1 (3.2 on here).   Off course rep approaches bookie and says can I have a £500 to win the favourite at 6/4.   The bookies say, yes of course you can, bet placed and horse cut to 6/4. (Still 3.2 on here).

No need for brown envelopes.