Racing Post - New Website

If this was a football stadium rather than a forum, the roof would be echoing to the chant 'You don't know what you're doing'!

I'm another long term reader/subscriber that will decline to pay for this travesty. I try hard to avoid conspiracy theories, but if the objective is to boost sports betting at the expense of horseracing, it would at least explain this shambles.

If they just got rid of that

Big Blue Text,

it would help. The ignorant design forces you to continually open new windows, and every time you do so, your eye is immediately drawn to more

Big Blue Text.

The problem is that the

Big Blue Text

is not what you're looking for in the new window. The reason you've had to go to this new window is because you're seeking data, numbers, ratings, distances. But all of that is hidden away in tiny grey text. Instead you find yourself reading exactly the stuff you don't need, i.e. the names of all these irrelevant horses in

Big Blue Text.

The sad trend of the last few years of ignoring Desktop/Windows and gearing everything for tablet/mobile doesn't seem to be abating.

Because on Betfair we are all dynamic, urban, metrosexual hipsters with places to go,
rather than sitting on a battered desk chair in jogging bottoms, with a brew in a cracked mug.

"I know what we'll do!  When presenting a list of 6 past performances on the racecard we'll highlight every alternate one in grey.  For no reason whatsoever!"

Mar 27, 2017 -- 7:29PM, Whippin Piccadilly wrote:

After 20 minutes I decide I've probably completed the analysis I wanted (which used to take 5 minutes on the old site), but I have this nagging feeling that I haven't done it thoroughly or accurately. There were just too many diversions which left me unsure whether I'd actually investigated all I intended to.I understand exactly where you're coming from, Screaming. I feel like I can't get a handle on the races I'm looking at and it feels like I've not made all the correct assessments even if I'm trebling the time to study each race than I did before. This is no exaggeration when I say that I'm going to have to retire from betting on horse racing after 20+ years of punting.The Racing Post newspaper is OK but it doesn't have all that I need for the way I conduct my form study. The RP website in its previous format was vital for me in how I study a race. I can't relearn the way I study and its completely unfair that I should have to either with myself being a loyal buyer of the newspaper and website memberships over so many years. This is truly end of an era for me.

I've been making my own form pages in Excel for quite some time now, using the profile page from the Post as a base so I feel your pain slightly. I'll have to find a way around it and use another 'base' (the new RP profile page just doesn't work), but I'm not yet sure how I'll go about updating my existing form pages (based on the old RP base) with data from a new source. It's a pain but I'll manage. As should you. It's dangerous to be over-reliant on any one source.

So time consuming when doing form,its like going from a calculator to an abbacus.I think its going to retire me from horseracing.

I reduced the screen size to 75% and the pro card looks a bit better....at least half the screen isn't taken up by 1 horse and his form but I might go blind squinting at it now.

They really need to sort the font size and spacing out.

For me...all I want them to do is unblock the form and spotlight features from the at a glance card....can't be that hard to do and at least we get back some of the old features.

Also why is there a separate tab for Odds when its plastered everywhere?

....

cant believe the SP and RP have both decided to ruin their sites at pretty much the same time.

Takes ages now to manoeuvre around the form.It's like putting traffic lights on the M1.

The video replay axing was annoying especially as we paid per video and I won't have minded a price increase bearing in mind just essential video form is...

What really got me was their email which basically told me to pss off with a link to a bookmaker website where I can view the races.

Jokers...have a look at the Hong Kong jockey club form...video replays are free and they even include over head shots of the horses at fixed positions in the race.

If you watched enough racing you can work out hat happened by just seeing the photos.

Fkin formgrids for the South African racing is better than this!!! Fancy getting beat by a site that a couple of lads built themselves...

my cpu temp on my pc goes from 40 degrees to over 50 degrees after loading up Racingpost.com website.

this shows the absolute shambles that it really is, you have umpteen flash adverts for bookmakers, I count around 5 flash adverts on one page for Bet £3.65 alone.

you have to click numerous tabs to open up different portions of the website that were all shown on one page on the previous old site, all this while a whirly symbol spins around for what seems like an eternity.

I wouldn't use this if it was free, the people that pay for this sh!te need locking up.

Just did a little experiment out of interest.

Closed down my browser IE than reopened it and clicked on; Racingpost/Southwell. it was 31 seconds before I could scroll down the page.

Did the same with ATR loaded Southwell = 40 seconds.

Then IrishRacing = 12 seconds.

Sky Sports took about 8 seconds if that.

Hopefully Sky notice their traffic increase and see that there is a market for actual form readers.

Funnily enough, I spend most of my time studying on the slowest of the lot ATR.

Yet once into a horse's form, I find the ATR layout very good indeed.

Racing Post, in CARDS, the LIVE tab doesn't load up, keeps refreshing to card page, no witten comms by the looks of it today

written even

& another f...ing fing
I been looking at cards today & thinking theres a lot of horses with first time headgear

Turns out they don't show them in the form last 6 runs
Used to be in previous race outcome section
I give up

Everything used to be autopilot to do
Now ... for ever

The new site is Slower than a tortoise going through treacle fooking awful

How many of you have actually contacted the RP to complain,they still want feed back..

Anyone help with this?

https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/25/hexham/2017-03-28/670095

on the above racecard (Hexham 3:30) what does the "2" before the trainer's name (Brian Ellison) signify?  Thanks


how to ruin a web-site eh RP... bl**dy awful upgrade

OMG madhatters its gets worse - I hadn't notice that.

So on the initial pop up horses info/form page were not told on each past race line whether it ran with head gear or not. That potentially ABSOLUTELY KEY info is only available by clicking individually through each of its past runs.

I'm contacting the RP directly over that particularly stupid omission - you'd hope that thats easy to add retrospectively ...

HEAD IN HANDS MAN!!!!!

2nd run for new trainer yeah yeah

Thank you The Sawyer!  glad you cleared that up :-)


Don't supposed you know what's happened to penalties in handicaps where is a horse is turned out before hcp'r has had time to rate LTO do you? 

Are they showing them or not....

thanks

It's almost conspiratorial isn't it ELG.

I'm cynical by nature - especially when it comes to horse racing as though it provides me with my sole income I think it's the most corrupt/insider favoured sport on the planet. 

The R/P is effectively funded by bookmakers - the bookmakers have had an absolute jackpot of a result with this new website...everything takes twice as long to look at....it's a killer for 95% of punters as 95% of punters use it rather than Timeform/Raceform/Proform.

The only group it suits is the fiver punter mobile/tablet users...who of their fiver the bookmakers will win £4.99 long run regardless of what they are looking at as opposed to anyone with any ability to make a few quid out of the game.

We'll all find a way to work with it but for sure they have made it as hard and as time consuming as possible to cover lots of races in depth.....and who does that favour....

just had a look yeahyeah and it seems it isn't shown; the one for Hammer Gun tomorrow at southwell isn't obvious anyway

Why is the IrishRacing site so quick in comparison?

I just put the result up for the 4:10 at Southwell and the first four places with the distances are there way in front of the RacingPost.

The Sawyer

yep, that's why I thought, couldn't see any yesterday either.  How the **** can they think we wouldn't want to see penalties,  they used to show them as "ex6" and the like...

shambles.

A butcher could have designed a better site.

Good to see ya still about yeah
Even if.. under dodgy circumstances

The site gets worse the more you look into it

CRAP

Used to be able to look at trainer by course etc under stats
Can't find it now

nice to see you too madhatters :-)

Is there any other way of checking the breeding of a horse on the new site other than clicking onto the horses name old site always had sire and dam under the named horse

patsyhall,
do you mean on the racecard under the horse?

Correct statsman

Notes still unavailable - there used to be a tab at the bottom of the card with notes but that seems to have disappeared also - but apart from that and endless clicking and losing the will to live, its fcuking brilliant!!!!!

Just sent them an e mail asking why is it so awful they said they are dealing with a large volume of emails at the moment  I bet they are

Yes there is.

I've just done this.

Click Cards - Tomorrows cards - pick a meeting (Sedgefield for me) - Click on any race - Click settings (Grey bar above horse) - Scroll down to pedigrees and click - and then Done (at top of the pop-up)

This will then show you what you require and remember it until you alter the setting

PATSYHALL

Settings on the grey bar on individual race card

What he said

I haven't seen the ''waiting for racingpost'' at the bottom of the page yet though.
When I click on a horse's form.

Why do they give the running total distances in brackets alongside the distances when you go into a race?
They've already given that for the horse you're looking at on the main form page.

It's basically pointless clutter.

I haven't a clue what settings you've got set up.
I basically unticked all of the info within settings other than those I require

I'm trying to find

diable de sivola in the search

should go straight to it, instead thousands of matches which don't seem to be in any order?

Search is poo

I open a thread a couple of weeks ago about my phone call to RP where I aired my concerns.  Apparently, we are all in the minority as they are delighted with their 'vastly improved website which has been well received' and if we don't like it, we can cancel our subscriptions.  I have personally scaled back my betting recently as I have found it too time consuming and tiresome to study form and feel sometimes as though it has become more of a chore than an enjoyment.

If you click on Card, Hammer Gun has a tiny little 6ex next to its weight. But click on At A Glance and Hammer Gun no longer has a 6ex, and unless you carefully read the race conditions, you could assume that it was running off its unpenalized mark.

But if you do click on Card, you can only see two or three horses' names on your screen, because of the need to find space for WILLIAM HILL's odds in GIGANTIC BLUE FONT.

Needless to say, Hammer Gun's name is not one of them, and even if it were, the only person I know in the world who hasn't been closed down by William Hill is ... you guessed it, a racing journalist.

Yes screaming, and if you load all the races on the card and click ''At A Glance'' the 6x is missing from there as well.

I like that 1 or 2 next to the left of the trainer's name that signifies if it's the first or second run for the trainer.
Well I think that's what it's for.

Correct - screaming from beneaththewaves  -

The missing '6ex' - on the 'At-A-Glance' cards is a glaring omission from a product that is meant to be Racing's Trade Paper.

RacingPost designers appear to have the,  [b[mistaken[/b], attitude that 'At-A-Glance  cards are merely for punters who just want to 'pick a name' ... when, in fact, entirely the OPPOSITE, is true.

ALL the serious Form Students, and Trainers/Connections, that I know use the 'At-A-Glance' format/display - because  we/they want to see the WHOLE FIELD [b]clustered together - and not spread all over the place, as on the overly large Colour Cards, with which annoying and ridiculously required SCROLLING is trhe necessity of the day.

Definitely not primarily designed by serious Form students; nor for the game's professional participants benefit.

yep...agreed onlooker.

the missing headgear information madhatters mentioned is pretty disgusting.

I've no doubt these are mostly teething troubles which they'll correct eventually.   

Yet it does go to show that no one has been using the new site while the old one were available. Or all these little clangers they've dropped would have been spotted and corrected by now.

I think your being optimistic Dr C, this is site has as much chance as the Spruce Goose had of flying.

Give them a chance kevo, they've only had a website now for how many is it 15 -20 years?

If you tune in to RPGTV every single bookmaker advert is about iphones. Ironically the greyhound site is simplicity itself to use.

POSITIVE

Gelding notification appears on runners form history

https://www.racingpost.com/profile/horse/1048721/cloud-dragon/

Get out of here with your positivity!!

I like it!

Anyone else lost the RSS feeds from it?

My evening preparation for the following day's form , going and days detail on the Posts website is now officially impossible -
immediate pointers for further form inspection such as say owners stats over the last five seasons at courses with a runner on the day with particular jockeys (useful for great bumper winners etc ) -now No-chance
Trainers for sellers over hurdles with particular jockeys  for example is now impossible .

RPOst give us back the old site , admit the new one should have been what it says on the tin -BETA - its not Beta its unavoidable - and apparently imposed and permanent

Did I mention my notes are missing?

werbie    29 Mar 17 12:34 
Did I mention my notes are missing?


You did - you did - you did ...........

And it is not good enough ..... that is a very basic prerequisite of any site ....

But mine are all there when I click My Ratings on the results page but I am sure you will have tries that ....good luck ....

Thanks crepello - Help desk currently unavailable - emails Ignored -

crepello -Notes on todays runners without having to search every individual horse?

Total agreement with everyone here Old site far more user friendly

werbie    29 Mar 17 13:41 
crepello -Notes on todays runners without having to search every individual horse?


Think you have to click on each individual horse

Have 900+ on my tracker - needs trimming down somewhat - but 1000s of notes which would hopefully help point me in the right direction. Note box under each horse on pro card sadly empty - switch to tracker select a horse and it takes me back to basic card - hard work zzzzzz

Cheers cepello

... and - of course - HAMMER GUN, with the missing '6ex' - on the 'At-A-Glance' cards -  now goes on to Win. -

- as if the emphasise the RacingPost omission.

Did you back it onlooker?

What is going on?  select a horse view notes,drop down arrow for next horse numbers coming and going and horses from another race appearing

Those, "horses from another race appearing," - are the often - but not always - 5-day ENTRIES for the race - and NOT the FINAL decs.

Thus you can get 15 horses listed (with 5-day racecard numbers) instead of just the 8 ACTUAL runners.

Something of another glitch that is probably going unnoticed.

Its all over the shop onlooker, and its only Wednesday

It's always done that leaving in the declarations.

Disagree Dr - Sorry, but NEVER seen your claim in a decade or more of racingpost.com -

For me - The 'Old Site' used to put the 'Drop-Down' Box  ACTUAL FINAL decs Runners in ALPHABETICAL order - WITHOUT a  Racecard number -  which was a Pain.

The beta site - puts them in Racecard order WITH a Racecard Number - but often displays
the 5-day decs - by mistake.

I am very annoyed that I have to choose the pro card and then settings to get pedigrees for all flat runners. I have to do that every time I log on. With the old site it "remembered" my choices and loaded them every time.

Its all so incredibly slow and unclear -
scroll-scroll-wait for circle-scroll-scroll

Horse search looks broken
After many years as a paying member this new montrosity of a website will see me cancel my Racing Post subs

Will Pepper (Racing Post)
Mar 30, 09:40 BST

Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for contacting us and please accept our apologies for the delay in our response. We are currently experiencing extremely high volumes of correspondence and and this has impacted on our ability to reply within normal time-frames.

Please accept our sincere apologies too as we can confirm that unfortunately we have replicated problems with the appearance of notes and ratings content, despite the fact that our IT team had previously been confident that any such issues would be eradicated following the switch-off of our old site on Monday March 27th.

Please be assured that all available and relevant IT resource is currently working to stabilise this service as a matter of priority and urgency.

We will be in touch again in due course and we'd like to thank you for your continued patience in the interim.

Kind regards,
Will Pepper
Racing Post Customer Services

Good old Will, giving the filthy IT department a well-deserved kick in the balls.  He hates them as much as we do!

must be a pretty rag tag outfit - they've had so many years to get it right and have yet to come close

Contacted them about pdf print-outs now part of the members club at £14.50 - said I only print a dozen or so a month and would like to pay separately. Not possible - maybe in the next "upgrade"!!!

Form study now takes about 3 times longer, wonderful.

They are taking a time to show themselves but notes are back - just looking at Southwell Tuesday and Vallarta's latest race is missing for starters

Lots of races missing

How about printing the racecards out? seems all over the place to me,any solutions please?

PEDIGREE data not found
Check back later

No fookin rush

Use ATR for free PDF printouts

Thanks PJ, but I just want the racecards,used ATR last night but jockey and trainer printed twice plus other issues obscuring the card.

PDFs should print exactly as is ribero1. Did you go to www.attheraces.com/printouts ?

Notes content unavailable - tech guys on a well deserved long lunch zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Does trying to print the cards still result in summoning a demon called Peter Norton,
along with something called an 'ethical edge'?

Why are people continuing to pay for this new-look RP? Until people vote en masse with their feet then nothing noticeable will change. I'm already out and would urge others to do the same

Thanks PJ.

No stalls news at Donny on R.P. site
Oh so many glitches
How this was allowed to go live amazing

The .5% that win will be almost non existent..

i cancelled my subscription last week and know of 3 others that did the same...

Day 6  - Notes still unavailable

Form study -1.View race pro card 2. Summon Tracker 3. click on race 4. scroll down 5.select horse 6.Enlarge page 7. click on notes 8.enlarge page 9. Click form 10 enlarge page 11. return to procard ( not there ) 12. click on pro card. Or any combination of your choice. Repetitive strain injury anyone????