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The number 1 trainer that would leave you homeless
The number 1 trainer that would leave you homeless
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Evan Williams up there surely seems he still somehow gets expensive purchases and does fark all with them
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Mincer was champion jockey in Iran 4 times, he was known as Camel head ,claiming 7,he was ran out of there by the Shah for talking shyte .....
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lisa williamson. 5/2 favs running with the wrong weight ...
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more laying than backing these days that's a fact
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Is this in the W/O Charlie Hills Market?
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I agree with gutfeeling regarding Skelton, another over rated outfit who thinks their geese are swans. A big negative with trainers is when they utilise sub standard riders. Greatrex Nicholls Skelton are just 3 who fit that bracket
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lay the "winner" at 1.01, back everything in behind at 1000.
someones got the game by the nuts .... |
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Wouldn't be a fan of Skelton myself, always have to laugh at the RP comments re is horses chance "in great hands" etc you'd swear he's been around for years and had a good track record in big races
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loads stables that churned out fit horses looking like champions ie martin pipe
etc just cant seam to sustain long levels of form anymore  |
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Re:Skelton stable,I'm sure I read on here from someone who had strong connections with the stable that it was generally regarded that Skelton worked them too hard at home,and that would not be conduisive to keeping animals at a high level over a long period of time.
May well have an element of truth as many of his only have a limited peak period. |
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you simply cant keep them at the top of their game for a long period of time.
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why not
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horses are exactly the same as athletes the faster u get a horse to form the less it will keep it
the slower you bring a horse to peak the longer it will stay at peak form for , luca used to do this bring them along slowly put them in harder races each time |
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they need down time, to be taken out of training for a few weeks, then brought back to the boil the majority simple cant go through a whole season in full training
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Dealer,not a long period of time.
I refer to many Skelton horses who win as novices,and only weeks later get beat at prohibitive odds,appearing to lose form quickly. May of course be a coincidence, or just bad luck. Seems to happen to him more than most. |
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no i agree with you similar to johnston on the flat, you keep working them hard they go stale
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im just saying it would be impossible to keep a horse at the top of its game for six months of a season, thats if they stay sound
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dealer, slightly off topic, whats your opinion of the kd yard ?
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dealer a guy assistant trainer to 2nd biggest stable in new zealand came here for a year he done 6 months with balding just to see dif training method he told me he had 3 horses better than play school in his barn at a cost of around 50k gr2 or 3 geldings not over raced just lost a bit of speed , he said they are as tough as old boots thats was around 20 years ago but still a lot of horse for that wonga
, i still remember him telling me i was on this 2 year old at baldings barn and it nearly pulled my arms out the sockets ! he sad it going to be a very good horse looks a bull of a horse more like a 3 year old ! i sais should i back it 1st time up . he said i wd back it 2nd run as its so big it might just burn out 1st run , i said whats it called ''selkirk' he replied ! it fooken won at 20s 1st time out !  |
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More chance if you just keep them ticking over at home,rather than working their socks off though.
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have been to the yard, his gallops although not long are very stiff especially the last 2 furlongs. i think he is a bit like Johnston in that he also trains them hard. he gets results though but you find they also go off the boil. when the money is down it rarely goes astray but that info is only available to the inner inner sanctum. not many trainers would start a horse like Tommy Doc in a sprint at southwell and a few months later its running over 2 miles.
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he has done well with cast offs as well as i found out to my cost but thats a long story. he has one at southwell tomorrow that is interesting. if tomorrows not the day then i would bet you in the next 2 weeks it will win with the money down
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Back in the day,a few horses came over from New Zealand to race here.
I remember Grand Canyon was one such champion he was a star over here.Trainer was D Kent and jock P Haynes from memory. |
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mark johnston is a trained vet so he knows exactly when a horse is right !
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imo mark johnston would hardly know the front or the back of the majority of horses in his yard
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he purely plays the numbers game, it works for him so who am i to say he is wrong
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a nice gut though but with a major patron in his stable i doubt he will be worrying much about anything
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at £2K plus a month for having the pleasure of someone else training them i doubt he would be my first choice of value for money
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thanks dealer, i got to following a few of his horses, his runner at newcastle tommoz being one of them, just looking thats been on the
go since leaving bells yard in july 2016. as you say also one to note when the market speaks. |
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* southwell
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he is a good trainer, he gets the job done. heard a few rumours about certain things that might be happening in the yard that would seem to show substantial improvement in how horses have ran but its all here say.
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how prolific a winner was play school not the biggest of horses either
its funny how u meet people the connection was through rugby my brother brought 4 lads over from new zealand , who played , sean lineen who most have hear of was one they stayed at my flat and my nephews for around a year , they brought the assistant trainer with them 4 big strapping lasts and this little guy who just loved his rugby ! soon i was talking horse ! they dont have that many jumper over their mike but boy the ones that do are pretty dam good ! D H Barons what was the other one he brought over about same time as play school , |
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i am not sure hes ideally berthed inside (1), hoping he gets a nice tow in behind the irish horse, and then its just up to
connor to earn his fee. !!  simples. ran well on his only run here before when stuck out wide (13). g/l. |
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might have been Seagram
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he got too big dealer and yes he over sees the work he done the getting his hands dirty in the stables
just a watcher now , yer u not getting the same one to one from him have to agree ! |
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its the one in 2 that interests me GC
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Mart,was Play School the horse that Paul Nicholls used to,ride in his pomp?
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do you blame him though mart, around 250 paying £2K a month
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thanks penz i am sure your right , he was convinced playschool was doped befor the gold cup says what every they gave the horse fk up its nervous system bas tards , says the horse was shaking like a leaf and was never the same after was costing bookmakers too much to win !
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mart all the doping scandals there has been, not one to do with bookmakers, you keep making that assumption imo it just isnt true.
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