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By:
Huggy
When: 18 Mar 17 20:14
Absolutely unbelievable
By:
maineroad
When: 18 Mar 17 22:29
WTF thats either a fix or the same odds as elvis singin on the moon to lord lucan whos sat on shergar
By:
ronnie rails
When: 19 Mar 17 00:15
mainroad
do you miss the game
regards
ronnie
By:
maineroad
When: 19 Mar 17 00:41
Miss the old days like mad Ronnie. Only now I realise how good it was and how much cash was to be had. Last 4-5 years before we went were crap with the gamb comm sis fees levy pubs closin etc prior to that it was a licence to print money as they say.  I cant stand the places now I cant believe they can get away with givin out scratch cards for he fobs and persuading young lads who are after a small footy bet to have a go on em. The Hill s shop near me did 77 bets on Chelt Wednesday !! We did well over 1500 as well as loads on the phones they never stopped during chelt by now I would have me head in a Cosmos holiday brochure courtesy of the previous 3 days at chelt, happy days.
How are you doing ?
By:
Capt__F
When: 19 Mar 17 01:28
maine

nice to hear from you

best regards
By:
TONETONE
When: 19 Mar 17 13:25
Dont know what the odds of this happening but i think somethings gone wrong ,, is it fixed
By:
maineroad
When: 20 Mar 17 22:36
How you doin Capt. Was in me loft the other week found an old greyform dog sheet, To think 10 blokes used to crowd round one them at 11.00 every sat morn.
By:
Capt__F
When: 31 May 17 12:57
happy days maine


the 49s at it again today Void draw wtf
By:
Dav_vin03
When: 31 May 17 23:29
how did they manage to have a void draw?
By:
maine-road
When: 11 Nov 25 11:06
ronnie - capt f - are you boys still around ?
By:
ronnie rails
When: 11 Nov 25 11:19
MR.
I was actually thinking about you only a few days ago was trying to bring your post up about the exes of a shop.Games changed so much I bet you miss the days of locking the Chinese in to play the fobts even they have had the day lovely to see you are still looking in.Have you used all the duplicate slips Take care.
Ronnie.
By:
maine-road
When: 11 Nov 25 12:46
ive just sent you a reply but its saying a moderator needs to approve it WTF !!!!!!!
By:
maine-road
When: 11 Nov 25 12:49
STEEPLEDOWNS

The virtuals were the same races played out every time - there were 10 races in total. Basically all they did was move the horses around. Race one would be won by the hose 3rd from the rail race 2 8 from the rail race 3 the nearest the rail and so on. Sprint valley wand portman park wee the same the same stall won the race it just had a different horse in.
The prob with portman and sprint was they were in the stalls so you had no idea of the number. HOWEVER when steepledowns appeared the hoses lined up as in national hunt about 5 second before the race. This gave him time to clock the number so he had 5 seconds to place the bet. It could be the fav or a 100-1 shot. He memorised the colours to make it faster. He cleared up in Ireland then came over here and cleared up again. In the end he sat in a shop in Ireland and had a lad over here on the phone with an ear piece in he would tell the lad the number he would act like he was on the phone to the mrs and just listen then put the bet on. In the end if the irish fella said number 7 he would place £50 on number 7number 8 and number 9 to make it look like a guess. I saw this work with my own eyes
By:
Busyfool
When: 11 Nov 25 13:03
Absolute bollox
By:
maine-road
When: 11 Nov 25 13:12
Busyfool ???? I said exactly the same I said I would take them all .Believe me I took 3 bets myself all winners. It took me about 3 days to finally see how it was done. It was always a couple of seconds before the off and only steepledowns. There's someone else on here who knows about it and new him.
By:
Busyfool
When: 11 Nov 25 13:15
They must have made zillions before the glitch was discovered

Except they didnt
By:
maine-road
When: 11 Nov 25 13:18
No not millions thousands and it wasn't a glitch - they stopped taking bets 10 secs before the race.
As I say i seen this with my own eyes and it cost me a few bob.
By:
supermario
When: 11 Nov 25 14:06
Interesting stuff, Did you know there was a large period of time where the off times for virtuals and some other stuff was not transmitted in time, and often not until after the result of the event?
Further to what you posted when we where looking into this I was told that Paddy Power stopped taking virtual bets in shop for a few months.
By:
s.kenbo
When: 11 Nov 25 14:51
They often have the result on the screen before the first horse has crossed the line in Fred’s. I know it’s computer generated but it wouldn’t be very inspiring if you bet in them. At least give the illusion that the result isn’t known until several seconds after the race.

Fred spends hours on a Saturday morning pushing virtual horses. He does virtual doubles daily. I’ve always wondered whether he’s just playing the odds or if he knows the results beforehand.
By:
Busyfool
When: 11 Nov 25 15:03
No he doesnt

finis
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 11 Nov 25 15:03
I would imagine the latter kenbo.
Years ago a mate of mine used to do the video’s for money-raising greyhound nights, he just went the rounds with the same vids. Played at different stages on different events and few if any cottoned on.  Except his daughter, who it became clear did know the results of each tape.  Caused him some embarrassment when it was noticed and complained about.  Advance knowledge seems always to be available to someone, about almost anything that can be gambled on imo.
By:
Escapee
When: 11 Nov 25 15:27

maine-road11 Nov 25 12:49
STEEPLEDOWNS

The virtuals were the same races played out every time - there were 10 races in total. Basically all they did was move the horses around. Race one would be won by the hose 3rd from the rail race 2 8 from the rail race 3 the nearest the rail and so on. Sprint valley wand portman park wee the same the same stall won the race it just had a different horse in.
The prob with portman and sprint was they were in the stalls so you had no idea of the number. HOWEVER when steepledowns appeared the hoses lined up as in national hunt about 5 second before the race. This gave him time to clock the number so he had 5 seconds to place the bet. It could be the fav or a 100-1 shot. He memorised the colours to make it faster. He cleared up in Ireland then came over here and cleared up again. In the end he sat in a shop in Ireland and had a lad over here on the phone with an ear piece in he would tell the lad the number he would act like he was on the phone to the mrs and just listen then put the bet on. In the end if the irish fella said number 7 he would place £50 on number 7number 8 and number 9 to make it look like a guess. I saw this work with my own eyes


This makes perfect sense in terms of computer programming and how most computerised random were generated 10-20 years ago.

Paddy power roulette machines, side by side would land on the same number on both machines if the 'play' buttons were both pressed at the same time.
I worked out that the number was generated using the the time to the second as a seed.
I didn't manage to exploit this leak (shame) and it stayed until the next generation of machines arrived which were connected to the internet and didn't generate the winning number internally.


Some maths guy worked out that the random number used to generate hands on paradise poker was seeded using the time down to the millisecond (millisec times are a feature of UNIX machines, PC's used seconds mostly)


So your guy saying there were 10 races in total, was probably a factor of what time past the hour they started, and thus the sequence would stay the same and repeat.

By:
maine-road
When: 11 Nov 25 15:47
Escapee - exactly your correct. 10 races all different but with the same outcome going round in a loop.
The computer randomly chose the horses starting position but the winner was always lining up in the same place.
Isuppose if this fella spent all day in the shop watching which people used to do  he eventually noticed.
I used to know the lad he was in with over here after he'd done Ireland he didn't even know himself how he did it.
It took a bit of working out but we knew he didn't have prior knowledge as every bet was right at the off and only steepledowns process of elimination finally got us there.
By:
ronnie rails
When: 11 Nov 25 15:59
6 Guys sat round a table  playing bingo one of them shouts Ronnie we need number   22 with 8 balls to go I look on the box behind the  counter and. Say to myself hard look its not coming out
Ronnie.
By:
s.kenbo
When: 11 Nov 25 16:44
One for and one against!

Ronnie. LaughCry
By:
maine-road
When: 12 Nov 25 09:38
Ronnie there's only one firm left that do the 2 part slips.
They make them for the bars in Spain n Tenerife with cash investment on them.
I still use em for gold cup day and ladies day at ascot but running low need to buy 5000 !
By:
maine-road
When: 12 Nov 25 12:40
Hi Ronnie

Found this from 13 years ago Laugh

Ronnie still do the pub at the odd big meeting. Gold cup day was just like the old days, 2 part slips loads of 10ers scores and a few 50s, results were crap but I got away with it and won a few bob, the lad in an Irish boozer ap the road got cleaned out, a few Irish winners went in. Was in Portugal on a stag doo on National day took a load of slips found a bar that had the racing on and threw a load of slips about took about a five hundred euros and payed out next to nowt, paid for the trip !!!

I dont half miss the old days, mainly the money ! Once the Irish lottery came in thats when things started to change £475 for a £1 it seemed impossible but it seemed to be won every week, I also gave someone £450 for 10p on thing you could never do that on the horses. I counted 10 people in a Corals the other day, 4 on the machines 4 playin bingo or some numbers game and 2 fillin football coupons in, if you would of unplugged SIS no one would have noticed, the bird behind the till was foriegn probably thinks a round robin is a fat bird you get in the garden. Hoes it treatin you ?
By:
maine-road
When: 12 Nov 25 12:42
Me account got took down so not been able to get on forum for years but back on now somehow - still cant bet though.


Found this ronnie from 13 years ago !!!

Ronnie still do the pub at the odd big meeting. Gold cup day was just like the old days, 2 part slips loads of 10ers scores and a few 50s, results were crap but I got away with it and won a few bob, the lad in an Irish boozer ap the road got cleaned out, a few Irish winners went in. Was in Portugal on a stag doo on National day took a load of slips found a bar that had the racing on and threw a load of slips about took about a five hundred euros and payed out next to nowt, paid for the trip !!!

I dont half miss the old days, mainly the money ! Once the Irish lottery came in thats when things started to change £475 for a £1 it seemed impossible but it seemed to be won every week, I also gave someone £450 for 10p on thing you could never do that on the horses. I counted 10 people in a shop
the other day, 4 on the machines 4 playin bingo or some numbers game and 2 fillin football coupons in, if you would of unplugged SIS no one would have noticed, the bird behind the till was foriegn probably thinks a round robin is a fat bird you get in the garden. Hoes it treatin you ?
By:
jasstardust
When: 12 Nov 25 13:57
main rd....a suggestion for 2way slips
is use the check pads restuarants use
most of those(if not digital) are two
copys ie, one for kitchen n for foh...
very similar to old skool books..
By:
maine-road
When: 12 Nov 25 14:15
jasstardust - it would work if we wrote the bets out on a pad but the slips are scattered all over the place individually.
By:
maine-road
When: 12 Nov 25 14:21
Ronnie dug out the old post about the expenses - 154k gross profit but came out of it with just about enough for a bowl o soup.

turn over 750k profit 15% making £113k. Fob profit £41k giving you £154k to play with.
Expenses;
SIS 19000
TURF 8000
COUPONS SLIPS 5000
GAMB COMM 1800
LICENCE 600
RENT 13000
RATES 3000
INSURANCE 600
LEVY 1000
FOB SHARE/RENT 8500
EPOS 4000
GAS/ELECTRIC/WATER 6000
BITS N BOBS 5000
BETTING TAX 23000 (INCL FOBS WHICH WILL COME SOON)
MAKING 115K
leaving you a profit of £39000.

Assuming you run it yourself (impossible but lets say you do) open at 9.30 till 9.30 7 days = 84 hours.

£39000 profit makes £750 per week at 84 hours means your earning £8.90 an hour and wont see daylight.

The form filling never ends, the gamb comm will talk to you like you are supplying heroin at the school gates, every night when its dark your waiting to be shot at/knifed/attacked .
The business will not get any busier it will only dwindle.

If you can get it for nowt and not tied in to any long rents, your only hope would be to get a few mugs on the phone (they are still out there) and just keep that under the counter.
You will find you can make an awful more that way than the other way.

You will be taking over a business that turns well over a million pounds, gives you a constant headache, and makes you buttons.

OR

you could sit in the corner of a busy boozer/working men's on a Sat or busy festival days and your expenses will be a pint and a pen and all you win is yours,

Taking on this shop will only line the pockets of everybody but yourself.

Oh I forgot another expense NEWSPAPERS £1600

Good Luck Either Way.
By:
maine-road
When: 12 Nov 25 14:23
capt-F - homefortea
you 2 still around ?
By:
ronnie rails
When: 12 Nov 25 14:32
MR Than you so much  that was the one I was looking for  said many times otc going through  the floor  exes going through the roof.Never heard from home for tea for about a decade.
Hope you are well.Was you shop near Main Road.
Ronnie.
By:
maine-road
When: 12 Nov 25 14:37
No ronnie - City fan hence the Maine rd
By:
ronnie rails
When: 12 Nov 25 15:12
Newspapers 1600 know 2420.
Ronnie.
By:
Busyfool
When: 12 Nov 25 15:17
Little wonder the RP has been relentless on the looming tax

Curtains for them
By:
jasstardust
When: 12 Nov 25 17:29
jasstardust - it would work if we wrote the bets out on a pad but the slips are scattered all over the place individually.


yes i see ware ya coming from now n after i posted reply earlier i did think about that n its obviosly
open to  freud, hence why books went digital am presuming
By:
TheGoddess
When: 12 Nov 25 22:56
Read the write up in the RP, is was so precise on the numbers, have bookmakers indicated which shops they will close to The Betting and Gaming Council?

According to the BGC's analysis an increase in MGD to 50 per cent would cause 3,464 betting shop closures, 25,086 job losses, and reduce horseracing’s funding from betting shops, which comes via the levy and media rights payments, by £84m.

An increase to 40 per cent would lead to 2,912 closures, 21,088 job losses, and halve contributions to racing to £70m

A hike to 30 per cent would cause 1,992 closures, 14,425 job losses, and a £48m loss to racing, the BGC said.

This is before the withdrawl of bookmakers sponsorship of, Horse Racing, Football, Greyhound Racing, Darts, Rugby League, Snooker, Boxing etc. etc

It’s an act of economic vandalism against communities, workers and Britain’s sports, particularly Horse Racing.

Pubs and Clubs, Bingo Halls, Arcades and Casinos will also be massively impacted.

https://www.racingpost.com/news/britain/racing-tax/tax-proposals-would-close-3400-betting-shops-and-wipe-84m-from-racings-income-abG8M1N0Jar2/
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 13 Nov 25 01:27
Great post.  Sadly, I feel it is all too late to stop the onslaught.
I feel satisfied that I did my individual bit to try to stop it by three times pressing my M.P. ( who co-incidentally loved his football and enjoyed regular days at the racing ) on the matter.  I also urged everyone on here to do likewise and feel sure that many did.
How we miss the Robin Cook’s of our past world who had many ears in parliament and stolidly supported and enjoyed Racing.
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