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Obvious one is Clive Smith, who had Kauto and master minded but fell out of love with the game, a strange man.
Also notice Andy Stewart doesn't have many horses in training these days, Sir Robert Ogden had a bit of success in the NH game but ye won't see his colours over the jumps anymore!
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Report blackbarn March 7, 2017 9:36 PM GMT
Andrew - I think they may mean Lake City the previous year, although it was not first time out.
Report verbotene liebe March 7, 2017 9:37 PM GMT
That's another Varingo ! Forgot about him Andrew.  But think the one who won first time out sounded like some sort of Roman name.
Report verbotene liebe March 7, 2017 9:40 PM GMT
Blackbarn - it was two funny sounding foreign words. Hyped for a very short time.
Report blackbarn March 7, 2017 9:42 PM GMT
verbotene - so this is a Harry Demetriou horse that won first time out at Royal Ascot?   Or what do we have?
Report verbotene liebe March 7, 2017 9:44 PM GMT
Just remembered - but not sure if it was first time out - something similar to Romanus Romani.
Report KiddyKid March 7, 2017 9:49 PM GMT
Peter Savill owned some top class horses back in the day!
Report blackbarn March 7, 2017 9:58 PM GMT
verboten - someone posted on here a while ago - "Hard to get the answer if no one seems to know the question"

So - it may or may not have won first time out, it could have been Royal Ascot, Ascot or somewhere else, it could have belonged to one or another of the Demetriou's. 

I am out I think, but I bet the answer is easy. I just don't know it.
Report Alices March 7, 2017 10:00 PM GMT
Pell-Mell partners had a couple of decent chasers in Cogent and Katabatic, think they were all Red apart from the body which was Red and Purple checks.
Report verbotene liebe March 7, 2017 10:03 PM GMT
Ronnie set me off and I  got carried away, It was definitely a Ryan Price/ B Taylor/Demetrious combination. Romani was one of the words.Other word also began with R. Think it won the Windsor Castle. Sainsbury's Languedoc I'm afraid.
Report KiddyKid March 7, 2017 10:14 PM GMT
Was it Romeo Romani
Report verbotene liebe March 7, 2017 10:19 PM GMT
Kiidy Kid , hats off to you, saved my blushes . Won Norfolk Stakes FTO in 79. Ronnie Rails right all along.
Report KiddyKid March 7, 2017 10:25 PM GMT
Ive worked in yards we had some of his off spring.
Report blackbarn March 7, 2017 10:29 PM GMT
Well done chaps. Romeo Romani - Norfolk stakes first time out.  People forget (Well Lord Oaksey never did) just what a great flat trainer Captain Henry Ryan Price was.  My Uncle Jack was convinced he only took up training flat racers to prove to the Jockey Club that he was a "proper" trainer. I met him several times, although as a kid/teen, he was never less than gracious, although a bit intimidating.
Report ronnie rails March 7, 2017 10:34 PM GMT
thirty eight years ago I must be getting old
sweet dreams
Report NORTH BERWICK March 7, 2017 11:29 PM GMT
Some great names from the past.  Major Ivan Straker.
Report Happy Valley March 8, 2017 7:46 AM GMT
yes some great names. I had jotted down Pell-Mell partners but I see Alices has just beaten me to the draw.

Ken Higson is a shocking omission imo. I hope he is still with us.

Sheikh Ali Abu Khamsin came and went over jumps and what about Peter Bolton (!) who was the original developer of Whitsbury Manor Stud where Elsie trained, though I seem to recall Nick Mitchell was the first retained trainer.

And generally this wonderful thread reminds me of Robert Sangsters remark that "The best way to make a small fortune out of racing is to start with a big one."
Report isleham March 8, 2017 8:22 AM GMT
Geoff Hubbard won a Hennessy on long priced nag..May have beaten Jodami(off top of my head) with latter carrying no weight
Report ribero1 March 8, 2017 8:31 AM GMT
Sibton Abbey?
Report workrider March 8, 2017 9:29 AM GMT
Michael Smurfitt,used too be one of Welds biggest owners,hardly ever see a horse run in his colours,they also used too sponsor the Champion Hurdle under the Kappa banner.
Report Aviboyd March 8, 2017 10:13 AM GMT
Mollers Racing, loved those colours...
Report workrider March 8, 2017 10:20 AM GMT
Yes Avilboyd,Aramanda a flying machine.
Report onlooker March 8, 2017 10:20 AM GMT
blackbarn 07 Mar 17 21:08 

Well done ged - you are as close as is reasonable... Emerald Green, Royal Blue sleeves, White cap with Green (but not Emerald Green) spots on cap. The colours are still registered.

Actually if you play around with the colours you can get very close with a set that are still/now available. Cool

THAT - has already been done.

Massive National Hunt owner - David Johnson - he of Martin Pipe fame ...

Simply swapped the Green body and Blue sleeves around - whilst retaining the White Cap with Green Spots.

He obviously was looking for some of Sangster's luck to rub off on him. Happy
Report Happy Valley March 8, 2017 10:30 AM GMT
the mollers died, i do believe
Report ged March 8, 2017 11:59 AM GMT
As for Harry Demetriou, his first horse was, I think, Latin Melody, who finished 3rd in the Queen Mary in 1972. She was trained by Sam Armstrong in his last year of training, and also gave his son Robert his first winner as a trainer when winning as a 3yo at Warwick in April 1973. That may have been Harry's first winner too.

He then had a few with Clive Brittain, including Olympic Casino (Harry was, of course, a Greek, who owned casinos), and Sportsky. The latter tried hurdling with Ron Smyth, but returned to Brittain to run on the flat.

It was in 1977, I think, that Demetriou began to have his horses trained by Ryan Price, including the first offspring of Latin Melody, Nelbi (who's best win was probably in the Erroll Stakes, one of the 2yo races on the Saturday heath meeting of the 1977 Ascot meeting). Innini was perhaps the best of Latin Melody's offspring, who also ran for Demetriou/Price. She won the St Hugh's at Newbury, and was placed in the Princess Margaret and Fred Darling.

Later offspring of Latin Melody were trained by Henry Cecil for Demetriou - these included Little Deep Water (3rd in the Lingfield Oaks Trial in 1985) and Van **** Brown (2nd in the Queens Vase to Baynoun in 1984).
Report ged March 8, 2017 12:01 PM GMT
ffs - that's Van D y k e Brown
Report ged March 8, 2017 12:02 PM GMT
*** whose best win (that's a ffs on me)
Report theres only one best tonic March 8, 2017 12:07 PM GMT
REA Bott Wigmore St Ltd
Quality jumpers in the 80s such as Observe and Black Humour
Report cyclops March 8, 2017 1:12 PM GMT
Who was the guy who was friends with Freddie Flintoff and had loads of horses a few seasons back? Paul.....?

The Hitchens had plenty with Jenny Pitman; don't see many of theirs these days.

Raymond Anderson Green seems to have scaled back a lot.

And there was that mortgage shark, Fergus Wilson, who'd always run no-hopers in Championship races. The sport may not miss him.
Report Happy Valley March 8, 2017 1:32 PM GMT
ged those posts are very interesting and enjoyable, many thanks
Report notenough March 8, 2017 1:46 PM GMT
Happy valley... Peter Bolton developed Whitcoombe not Whitsbury.

But you are correct as  Elsworth trained in both places
Report Aviboyd March 8, 2017 2:03 PM GMT
Happy V - yes, I think Mollers Racing was set-up using a trust fund following their passing, money must have run out now Sad
Report sickoflayinwinners March 8, 2017 2:11 PM GMT
ken higson
Report Poppydog. March 8, 2017 2:15 PM GMT
Desmond Cracknell owned Foodbrokers company

Brown and White quarters. Flat and NHunt

Many with the Foodbroker prefix (Fancy, Flyer etc)
Also Chemist Broker and numerous items they dealt in (Plax?)

Was a good friend of Josh Gifford, Crump family, Harwoods.

Passed away about 15 years ago, only a couple of years after the family made national news, when Desmond's son was kidnapped.

The family, used to the highlife, were no business people and the company soon fell into ruin.
Report timeless March 8, 2017 2:17 PM GMT
Lord Carnarvon

Queen's racing manager for years Crazy
Report timeless March 8, 2017 2:19 PM GMT
Jim McGrath of winning line had his own colours innit Crazy
Report ronnie rails March 8, 2017 2:25 PM GMT
will be a few on here who rememeber hippodrome raceing
Report zipper March 8, 2017 2:38 PM GMT
ronnie rails...BARNEY CURLEY   his YELLOW  SAM took  2 million  pounds out of the book at
Bellewstown  26th june 1975 ..... that was  the books would stand  a decent bet . he also landed a four time   which won him and is gambles owners     todays money 5 million
Report zipper March 8, 2017 3:02 PM GMT
ronnie  how old are you  ..  ?...YEARS AGO  the rail at group 1 tracks  they would stand any hot pot for 30k  today if you are a face  you would be lucky to get 500 on..why they dont what to know  they have no risk fobs  thats why i dont go racing any more
Report Happy Valley March 8, 2017 3:20 PM GMT
notenough - yes thank you for that. I always get them muddled.
Report ronnie rails March 8, 2017 3:53 PM GMT
if you read an early post on this thread you would of realised that I was  at royal ascot in 1979. so you could say I am  of mature age
Report zipper March 8, 2017 4:28 PM GMT
ronnie  so that was 39. years ago.....respect  man most have work for your dad unless your 100 years young  LoveLove
Report punchestown March 8, 2017 4:59 PM GMT
Ribero - Ravi Tikkoo was defo Lemon and Royal Blue in some combination. I will add it to the list.

Think it was Royal blue with a Lemon Diamond and sleeves?
Report punchestown March 8, 2017 5:00 PM GMT
Royal blue cap with Diamond.
Report punchestown March 8, 2017 5:02 PM GMT
Lemon Diamond.
Report grumpyjim March 8, 2017 5:16 PM GMT
Alfie Bruce had a good horse .. ex   Chairman  of N.A.  .. bookies boss .  SPRING CABBAGE .. ...
scottie horse owners are like hens teeth ..  now ..
Report Andrew in Sweden March 8, 2017 7:34 PM GMT
People forget (Well Lord Oaksey never did) just what a great flat trainer Captain Henry Ryan Price was.

It was a Capt HR Price runner in the Grand National that got me initially involved in racing as a slightly underage first time punter. The horse was Honey End, who could be classed as an unlucky loser (2nd) in one of the more well known Nationals.

In the same year, Hill House (also trained by HRP) was the centre of media attention after winning the Schweppes easily and came to the attention of the stewards. The horse tested positive for a form of steroid, but it transpired later that the horse was capable of doping himself due to naturally high levels of the steroid and HRP was exonerated.
Report ribero1 March 8, 2017 8:06 PM GMT
Cyclops,Paul Beck.
Report verbotene liebe March 8, 2017 8:53 PM GMT
The Tony Richards colours must have lasted 40 - 50 years. The likes of Radetzky,the lightning quick Standaan,both with Clive, then on to Village Star with Fabre, then a few half decent ones within the last 15 years.

Also Mrs Olive Jackson who had a few with Fred Winter,most notably Midnight Court. Her silks looked more like sweater material than silk.
Report Nogoody March 8, 2017 9:39 PM GMT
The late John Mulhearn who owned and trained Galmoy, I think he was the only Irish-trained winner one year.

Joy and Rusty carrier who had numerous horses with Michael O Brien, King Spruce among them. They also often rode their horses in bumpers with some success but t.b.h. were no J.J. Codds .
Report screaming from beneaththewaves March 8, 2017 9:57 PM GMT
Those mauve colours of Team Havana/Andy J Smith. Had horses with B Meehan and P Cole. And disputes with one or two others.

Does anyone know what happened to Ken Higson? There are some hilarious stories about him, but you'd be wary about recounting some of them if he were still around.
Report onlooker March 8, 2017 11:36 PM GMT
Ken Higson owned Karinga Bay, I believe - became a decent National Hunt Stallion.

Actually, is the sire of Gold Cup winner Conegree.

Had horses with Denys Smith - before spreading his wings down south.
Report onlooker March 8, 2017 11:38 PM GMT
verbotene liebe 08 Mar 17 20:53
The Tony Richards colours must have lasted 40 - 50 years.

Black & White halved, Yellow sleeves

He was always listed as - A J Richards.
Report Happy Valley March 9, 2017 5:14 AM GMT
yes onlooker he went to epsom and i think gary moore, probably via brian rouse connection

i remember a story one trainer told me, probably apocryphal but very "Ken"

"Higson walked into a bar near Storrington or Findon and one of the locals turned and lamented: 'sorry to hear about the fire at your warehouse Ken.'

"No that's tomorrow night," he replied.
Report Red Lorry Yella Lol March 9, 2017 5:15 AM GMT
Peter Sandrovitch is a shocking emmission
Report Happy Valley March 9, 2017 5:17 AM GMT
and Andrew in Sweden, my old micro economics prof, Ric Van de Plerg, a brilliant, brilliant Dutchman whom I sometimes still bump into around Brighton, and who has gone onto big things, was the son of one of Honey End's owners and we used to spend more time talking about horse racing than stupid micro stuff.

Some on here have questioned the ownership. I am sure it is true. It may not have been official but it is true.
Report punchestown March 9, 2017 6:23 AM GMT
The above Dutch owner had his horses with Bill Marshall IIRC,Green,white and orange colours.
Report Happy Valley March 9, 2017 6:43 AM GMT
Punchestown - thank you so much for reminding me. I'd completely forgotten the cols. I remember interviewing Bill Marshall once at Garrison Savanhah racetrack, about 6.30am in the morning, I sneezed and my front teeth (which were false loose from cricket) came flying out and fell at his feet. Bill didn't even notice!
Report ged March 9, 2017 9:16 AM GMT
Honey End made his racecourse debut as a 3yo for Herbert Blagrave at Newbury on Newbury Spring Cup day in April 1960. Also making his debut in that race was Minute Gun, who won the first running of the Long Walk hurdle 5 years later.

Honey End was bought off the flat for 2,500 guineas for a Mr Pugh, and given to his daughter, Miss J H Pugh, in whose name he subsequently ran, first over hurdles for one season for L Ewell, and then over fences for Earl Jones, for whom he won plenty of races, mainly on fast ground at the beginning and end of seasons. He then switched to Ryan Price not long before the infamous '67 Grand National, reportedly to make sure that Josh Gifford (Price's jockey) would ride him. (Gifford had ridden him in his first few wins as a novice chaser for Earl Jones in '63). He ran in the National, on the card at least, under the ownership of Mr C Pugh. HV perhaps knows more. I believe the Dutchman's name was spelt Ploeg, but I guess it sounds the same.
Report ronnie rails March 9, 2017 9:35 AM GMT
he owned a few
Report Happy Valley March 9, 2017 9:40 AM GMT
ged you are quite right, it is Ploeg. I just couldn't be bothered to check the spelling.
Report CheltenhamRoar March 9, 2017 11:13 AM GMT
East wind racing who had their horses with mikael magnusson.
Bridge of gold, spring of fame, smart enough, I was a keen follower of magnusson when he was around
Report by purpose March 9, 2017 2:10 PM GMT
Paddy Meehan when bookies had a bit of class about them.Sweet Dreams won Irish National and April the Seventh won the Hennessy i think but am open to correection trained by Bob Turnell.
Report blackbarn March 9, 2017 4:11 PM GMT
Onlooker - Those Tony (A J) Richards colours also included a Black and White check cap.

The G J van der Ploeg colours were Green, broad White stripe and sleeves and Orange cap. I think he had a couple of good flat horses too.
Report penzance March 9, 2017 5:26 PM GMT
Ridgewood Pearl owners?
white,yellow red and white
stripped cap.?
Report onlooker March 9, 2017 5:39 PM GMT
blackbarn - As you have not been back on the thread for a day - Think you may have missed my reply, yesterday.

onlooker 08 Mar 17 10:20
Report workrider March 9, 2017 5:47 PM GMT
Sean Coughlan I think Penzance.
Report gal March 9, 2017 6:59 PM GMT
Thanks RONNIE those were the days mate
Report ko2 March 9, 2017 7:10 PM GMT
Paddy Wilmott
Report thegibbons March 11, 2017 8:41 PM GMT
Report thegibbons March 11, 2017 8:42 PM GMT
Dont see Peter Deal so mutch now.
Report gibs March 11, 2017 9:08 PM GMT
Charles admiral Wacker III...Or summat like that,owned that great broodmare Alidiva,amongst others
Report KiddyKid March 11, 2017 9:18 PM GMT
Charles St.George whose colours were then used by Lucayan Stud
Report blackbarn March 11, 2017 10:08 PM GMT
gibs - Wacker is already on here, further down, and in some detail.   This is quite a good thread and well worth readingWink.
Report penzance March 11, 2017 10:10 PM GMT
Wally Sturt still about?
Report gibs March 11, 2017 11:08 PM GMT
Ah,so it is Blackburn...Ta for that...What a tangled web some of these folks weave
Report blackbarn March 11, 2017 11:19 PM GMT
gibs - you have learnt two things tonight - It is helpful to read a thread before posting, and then, that it is courteous to spell a fellow members forum name correctly.  I believe Blackburn is a town in Lancashire; my barn is black and in Sussex. Laugh
Report Happy Valley March 12, 2017 4:24 AM GMT
Good ol' Sussex-By-Sea. Can't beat it. Unless you're in China.
Report Happy Valley March 12, 2017 4:24 AM GMT
But i will be at Plumpton a week on Monday and can't wait.
Report blackbarn March 12, 2017 9:30 AM GMT
Be more fun if you go tomorrow HappyWink
Report Happy Valley March 12, 2017 5:53 PM GMT
i would love to but still in china. i get such a kick, still, out of going to fontwell, brighton and plumpton. big fan of the fish and chip shop near barnham station and the local co-op there has a surprisingly good wine selection and flowers, if you happen to catching the rattler home a winner

plumpton and it is back to ditchling for a drink

well brighton you can do what you damn well like as i'm sure you know, though i'm tipping the North Laine area just down from the station, so many fab places around there now
Report gibs March 12, 2017 8:32 PM GMT
apologies my defence I'd read some of the thread, but didn't think anybody else would've remembered the dubious Mr Wacker...only reason I did was that Alidiva was a personal favourite of mine
Report masked magician March 12, 2017 8:56 PM GMT
Peter Hopkins - Lumen /Josh Gifford.
orange and white
Report mrcombustible March 12, 2017 9:10 PM GMT
Earl of Fingal  No Other

Mrs S Catherwood Dark Ivy and others trained by Bunny Cox in Ireland and Gordon Richards in UK. Colours were Purple, they owned a Bus company
Report mrcombustible March 12, 2017 9:24 PM GMT
Raymond Guest brown and chocolate hoops Sir Ivor and L'escargot (Vincent O'Brien and Dan Moore)

Mrs R Eastwood Chinrullah and others trained by Mick O'Toole . Husband was a scrap metal dealer from Belfast, cousin of Barney (bookmaker and boxing promotor)
Report Happy Valley March 13, 2017 4:42 AM GMT
masked magician - peter hopkins vgd one, imo
Report ribero1 March 13, 2017 7:26 AM GMT
Agree Happy valley,Hopkins a good call,think he was in the travel business.
Report sageform March 13, 2017 7:38 AM GMT
De Walden colours still appear occasionally as Plantation Stud. Wally Sturt's few remaining jumpers are with Nigel T D.
Report ThirdTimeLucky March 13, 2017 8:53 AM GMT
Wally Sturt, the man who remained so loyal to Jim 'Virus' Old, who now works with NTD hence his horses are there.

Brian Stewart - Brown is another owner we no longer see. Huge success back in the late 80s early 90s with Arctic Call, Large Action to name but two.
Report isleham March 13, 2017 10:04 AM GMT
Plantation stud definitely sold by family so any horses in those colours not of original origin
Report isleham March 13, 2017 10:05 AM GMT
Didn't Howard de Walden own chunks of London??
Report Johnny_Mustang March 13, 2017 10:17 AM GMT
Plantation Stud was bought from de Walden by Dermot O'Rourke where he stood Araafa. The whole thing turned out to be a disaster and after a few years it was bought by Michael O'Leary (Gigginstown). It's no longer a stallion farm and O'Leary uses it as a R&R for his National Hunt horses.
Report intheknow March 13, 2017 10:29 AM GMT
Who trained that one?
Report intheknow March 13, 2017 10:30 AM GMT
Chunks Of London Laugh
Report by purpose March 13, 2017 10:48 AM GMT
Joe Joyce won Irish 1000gns with Saoire ridden by Kinane and trained by APOB sister in law Frances Crowley who is the wife of Irish champion Pat Smullen.
Report ribero1 March 13, 2017 12:02 PM GMT
Re Sturt,Jim Old is "racing manager" for him and his pals with NTD and just for good measure they insist on using Mark Grant!
Report notenough March 13, 2017 1:31 PM GMT
Isleham..... widow Gillian, Lady Howard de Wladen owns the colours now.

Horses with Hannon and Beckett. Good handicapper by Cape Cross won for Hannon at GLorious Goodwood in 2015... GIBEON? (I think!).

A  sister... Gemina was 2nd in Stonehenge  last year.
Report sageform March 13, 2017 2:12 PM GMT
Jim Old did have a few virus ridden seasons but don't forget the good years. I had horses with him from 1980 until 1995 and had plenty of wins with Meister, James Hunt and Jefferies. Wally had some very good times as well with Cima, Pete The Parson, Mole Board, Sir Talbot and of course Collier Bay.
Report blackbarn March 13, 2017 2:27 PM GMT
Isleham - Correct re the colours. As you say Lady Gillian owns and runs the All Apricot colours now.   Plantation Stud did have their own quite different colours prior to Gigginstown buying the place.
Report blackbarn March 13, 2017 2:28 PM GMT
Oops, notenough IS correct re the colours, not Isleham.
Report Happy Valley March 13, 2017 3:08 PM GMT
sageform - mole board one of my favourite horses ever. was there reporting when he made such a quality debut, landing an Owen O'Neill punt of decent proportions on his debut in Warwick NH Flat race. had to follow him, such was the impression.
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