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Rule 4 Deductions and the Bookmakers.
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Not sure about that one but I recall being there in 1992 when the aptly named Mr Confusion got slung out. It was complete chaos with all the drunken yobs demanding payment. No double result concessions in those days and I can recall being asked to spot any punters that had been paid out and to get it back from them
It subsequently got re-instated after an appeal at Portman Square so nearly 25 years later & the BHA still can't get the decisions right  |
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It was earlier than that Cecil and cumani horses were involved plus a previous winner of the race I think it began with c
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Chaumiere foxy.
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That's the one ribero I sometimes forget inthe know is a newbie.
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Lol, yes I was still striking a red pen through losing betting slips in the smokey betting shops of the Valleys then
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Any problems anticipated at WetherbyEnter tomorrow
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Just checked the form book it was 1987 knockando won trained by Luca cumani but was placed 3rd behind Henry Cecil's wolsey and guy hardwoods brave dancer who finished dead heated,the front 3 in the betting if you think explaining the r4 can be tricky can you imagine explaining that outcome to the magnet cup crowd.
Chaumiere had won the two previous runnings ribero I had it in my head it was involved in this race. Mr confusion was 1992 |
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Andy Smith is right to highlight what is undoubtedly sharp practice.
However from my point of view I would be saying nothing about Rule 4 as it massively favours the punter. It has its anomalies,the deductions at the higher level are against the punter but when a short priced horse gets withdrawn the advantages huge. Its one thing that Betfair has taught us as their deductions are savage. |
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Betfair are protecting the layers who after all are operating in a near 100% market.
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No problems anticipated at Wetherby with a chilly night but no frost followed by a wet day
Pretty mundane card and only one printer roll will be needed It could be that the bookmaker attendance will be higher than that of Joe Public  |
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My first Magnet Cup bookmaking was Fine Sun in 1980, but i don't remember being there for the disqualification you refer to Pete, (am sure I would have recalled it), think must have gone to Chester. Re R4 messages at Donny, we always bring it to the managements attention at the pre flat season get together and I think they have took it on board and are certainly one of the best in that respect, (York being probably the worst!) CJ.
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Three cheers for Andy Smith.
All you bookies saying it does,nt happen how many of you refused to deduct the rule4 on Sunday? |
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Sparrow Betfair are protecting their layers because they are running out of them.
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Some good winners around the time of fine sun onthejim town and country ,bedtime and buzzards bay who went on to win the qe11 at Ascot at 50/1
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Intheknow there is no such thing as mundane jump racing some is just better than others.
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As you know I'm a big fan of the Northern & Scottish NH scene but a 7 race card containing
Juvenile Maiden Hurdle Maiden Hurdle Am Riders H'cap chase plus 2 divisions of a Bumper is as bad as it gets |
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Still a million miles better than this nonsense today
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wildmanfromborneo 05 Jan 17 14:24
Sparrow Betfair are protecting their layers because they are running out of them. The markets are good deal healthier on here midweek than on the course. |
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the part of this that interests me is by who and how this racing post front page story came about.
especially as andy smith spent the afternoon sat at home on his backside |
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Hi Foxy, I think Chaumiere won a race at York when Carson dropped his hands on Cherry Hill?
Re Wetherby should just about make it imo if the forecast is right although not sure they'd have raced today,giving it a miss myself,Adge has obviously delayed his 2nd winter break to make an appearance. |
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The racing post fannies around big issues as they all enjoy the gravy train so much race course bookmakers are off no use to them so they a nice easy target I can not be arsed answering mmmluskas question but my guess adge is you don't impose a 5p deduction.
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He will have been there Adge,has a share in Lil Rockerfeller.
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When the bleeding hearts get the equivalent of the reduction factors on here, I assume they will all be happy!
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onthejim 05 Jan 17 15:50
When the bleeding hearts get the equivalent of the reduction factors on here, I assume they will all be happy! They might be in a 101% market. |
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Yes the non runner deductions on here are perfectly fair on a 100% book. I wonder what kind of percentge books a Cheltenham courtyard bookie would open with on say a 12 runner h/cap?
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I fly to san Francisco tomorrow ribero1.
put me down as an absentee |
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No bookmaker ever mentions the tickets that are never reclaimed on late nons/withdrawn horses. So are we to assume all stakes are always reclaimed?
I'm struggling with that proposal, particularly in the sort of circumstances that prevailed at Cheltenham |
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very few punters headmaster ever mention why they never brought there winnings back after a changed result,or in the recent lingfield case the wrong result.
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Yes, there a few missing in action after that technical disqualification at Catterick recently as well
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Did any course bookmakers take Millington of Racing Post to task for such irresponsible posting as to make claim regulator was looking into so called sharp practices. Nothing less than libelous
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