Ruby

doing his dean gallagher impression

Needs to be pulled in for that ride.  Horse was NEVER winning but what about that move off the final bend, when he put the horse thru the middle of the other 3.  Disgraceful.  As I said was never winning but he should be banned for that move

Spot on Kriskin.

Unless the horses are banned from running for 6 months, this will go on and on and on...

Monte - his dad on RTE trying to disguise his son's ride.  U couldn't make it up

Just shows, it doesn't matter how much money they have.

Some people will always be open to greed.

guys are millionaires and still doing these stunts

Kriskin.   I wonder what he would say regarding any other jock producing that sort of filth.As you say, they need banning.

did it place?

Has he been placed last

Kriskin it's unbelievable.

No wonder people are turning away from the game in droves.Punters don't stand a chance.

Did you really take 3-1 on a horse going from a novice to a Grade 1 on its 2nd start??

You really think Ruby Walsh is on here laying his mounts? I mean, seriously?

The phrase "never placed to challenge" used to feature regularly in form summaries and was replaced by the slightly less perjorative "never near to challenge". Everyone knew exactly whatth eformer meant. MC just used the defunct version as the comentary ended - I would like to think quite deliberately.

Do you have to have a bet on a horse to know if it was a non jigger or not?

They're not machines.

Dec 27, 2016 -- 2:12PM, TheCollector wrote:

You really think Ruby Walsh is on here laying his mounts? I mean, seriously?

Nothing to do with that.  Look at the bigger picture and u will understand what people are referring to.

Collector..... Nobody on this thread, as yet, has even mentioned backing the horse. Do YOU only comment when you have had a bet???  The ride was rancid, irrespective of jump in grade!!

the collector = ted walsh.

Couldn't **** win on the formbook. Quite simply really...muppets

Formbook or not,it wasn't given a chance to win imo,look at Madurai,same again to an extent but not as far back but might as well be in that class.

dont think people pull horses in grade 1s tbh. seen ruby ride like that and win

Exactly.

Muppets?  Horse was a non buzzer, and no attempt to disguise it either. Only a fool would suggest otherwise.

finding it hard to fathom why you would not try to win a grade 1 race.

Maybe i am too naive.

See what happens when Ruby is riding for JP and the money is down! Tee hee!

Ruby wont be riding for JP.

slithered on landing twice...gave it time to recover but took toll

Drifted from 7/4 to near 4/1 5 mins before race. Stable mate well backed and wins...

Aberdonia, do you realize that Ruby was on the winner?

Lads give it up ffs, I'm not Rubys biggest fan, the horse never jumped a hurdle, and to suggest anything else is shameful, I can't believe the rubbish on this thread,ye need to get a grip.

One understands the disappointment when you punt Mullins and Walsh in the hope you have latched on to a good thing.
May i humbly suggest you look out for these little pointers
I have learned from such experiences.

First up, if the books are putting a ricci/mullins/walsh novice up at  3/1 then its probably not Douvan

Second look at the video form. At thurles Ruby had Riven Light tracking the pace before taking up the running 2 out. He was at it,  against a gigginstown NH bred Hardline who fell at the last. The issue in doubt up until then.
Hardline admittedly could be anything but a 1 from 3 record in bumpers suggests he is probably destined to jump a fence before long.
Walsh probably knew from Thurles that Riven Light is not going to be winning these novice hurdles in the manner that Vautour, Faugheen or others have done so let others get on with it.

Third, you can see a good few minutes before the off wether Ruby is going to pull his usual trick of grabbing the rail in an attempt to make all. They spend what amounts to an eternity circling around before the off.
If you want to back one of these mullins hotpots in the belief they are going to be up there and make most you need only to wait 3 or 4 mins b4 the start to lump on.

Caveat emptor mes amis

Dec 27, 2016 -- 2:43PM, workrider wrote:

Lads give it up ffs, I'm not Rubys biggest fan, the horse never jumped a hurdle, and to suggest anything else is shameful, I can't believe the rubbish on this thread,ye need to get a grip.

It was the move off the final bend.  U as an ex jockey should know this.

What's the excuse for running up the @rses of the other horses on the flat in home straight, workrider?

You can't blame the hurdles for that..

Laughable. Most on here havnt a clue. AS TheFear said seen ruby ride like that and win

Horse was NEVER going to win,jumped like a drunk,to get him as near as he did was a miracle imo,I'm sure the horse will be sore in the morning , Ruby is the greatest I've ever seen and I've seen plenty. Fact is the billy hunt seldom does me a favor .

Deliberate move in behind other horses. Anyone defending that move needs to take up tiddlywinks. Same old same old. Non Trier, from start to finish. Just for the record, I layed it , cashed out when it drifted to 10's in running, and threw a bit back on when I saw how still the rodent was sitting. Could not believe the tens was available given how little Walsh was doing in the saddle. Seemed to have plenty underneath!! There is no way on earth you will EVER see that price available on anything on here, especially when the jockey is Ruby Walsh, sitting motionless. Unless........

You laid it yet you start a thread saying "You have to be kidding"....??? Hmmm...ok mate

You are short on brains it seems. I layed the horse because of the drift. When the opportunity arose, I took a profit and cashed out. ( Still with me???)  The price that then became available in running was too good to pass up considering how well the horse was travelling, even though at the rear! GET IT?????

You talk one loada shyte mate!!! You did not lay that horse. If you did you would not have started the thread and you would have mentioned your lay earlier. Why would you get so mad when you have just laid a loser??

roy i aint defending him..but the next race he looked in a hopeless position and won.

Ruby Walsh is the best jumps jockey around. It is that simple. No wonder he thinks most punters are muppets...

Roy - I'd just duck out of this if I were you mate - no way you're going to get your point over.

And the huge difference from the losing ride and the winning ride

In the home straight on the winner, he went wide to get a clear run

on the loser he went to the inside rail and ran up the arses of the other horses

Ruby Walsh not trying in a Grade 1.....I love this forum

Correct Steerforth. No good trying to talk sense to idiots.

TheCollector 27 Dec 16 15:31 
Ruby Walsh not trying in a Grade 1.....I love this forum

ok ted you're defending your son...answer why he went in between runners late on?

Correct Roida

Yeah...I'm really Ted Walsh. Lads, yer starting to get a bit embarassing here. Ruby Walsh is a master of his profession. He was riding a one raced novice in a Grade 1 and 4f out probably thought "I'm not gonna win" so what do you want him to do? Batter it to life up the run in? So much fuss when you never even bet it? Of course you never

Towards rear, not jump well, moderate 6th approaching 2 out, some headway and not much room early straight, moderate 4th from before last, soon no extra, one pace

This is what the formbook says. Beat 14 lengths in 4th. Note - "not jump well"

Give us a loan of your boyylesports and skybet accounts roy and roida eh? You obviously have one

You've still not answered why he ran the horse up the @rses of the others in the home straight?

I doubt you are Ted Walsh, nobody in their right mind would admit to it , even the man himself. Fewer would admit to being you.I don't need to prove my betting habits to the likes of you, clear as they are to all who know me. I just don't like cheats. When I overtake, I go outside, NOT over the cars in front of me!

JamesD. Best to avoid antagonistical cretins like Collector. Probably spends all day trawling social media and watching JK!

thecollector..

you're saying it had no right to be fav or win?  did u lay it pre race?

I didn't lay it but Evilroy did so I ask him to post his bet?

I didn't say it had no right to be fav or to win. I am making the point that he had it all to do on the formbook and after 1 novice run going into Grade 1 company ran as expected.

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Lay

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So...you obviously agreed with me that the step up to Grade 1 would have been too much for the horse as you laid it?

Is that correct?

And thanks for removing the £2 figures.

I lay most favourites that have at least three or four worthy opponents. The drift on this was also a factor. During the race I had the opportunity to cash out, making a decent profit, and did so. I then sat back and watched as Walsh sat motionless. I saw 10's on offer and threw a bit on at that price. I could do so as my profit was more than enough to allow for it. Walsh appeared to have a load of horse beneath him. I was glad I had cashed out when I did. I then watched him do everything he could to cause trouble for the horse! He did so without even trying to hide it! It deserves a ban.HE deserves a ban. I made money, I layed it. I might have made even more backing it at tens. I don't care. I am happy with ANY profit. Nobody EVER gets skint taking even the smallest profit. I therefore started the thread based on the evidence of my own eyes. Seems the vast majority agree with my summation. Defend him all you will, but don't tell me that was a trier. I would rather base my conclusion on what I saw. As for him being the best NH jockey ever, (according to some), I think any jockey worth two bob would have given that a better ride, IF TRYING THEIR BEST.

£2? Last time I had two quid on a horse it was ridden by Fred Winter.

Dec 27, 2016 -- 2:07PM, jamesdean wrote:

Just shows, it doesn't matter how much money they have. Some people will always be open to greed.

Tell the dealer. He knows everyone in racing and they're all great people apparently

My summary would be as follows.
The horse was priced up partly on connections rather than form so some sort of drift wasn't a huge surprise, though it was an unusually rapid drifter to the point it caught the eye.
Contrary to the tactics when successful last time out, Walsh had the horse anchored in last for no obvious reason. Didn't jump great as said above. His body language in the straight didn't look great and dragging the horse into trouble behind horses was odd. Hard to be confident that the horse could have finished any better than third at a push. Did it look like a trier? Not to me.

Some craic Irish racing is when you have leading yard sending out non joggers in grade 1 races. Nothing will be said or done about it though. If it was a small yard the book would be thrown at them. Same story when horse is not off. Out the back poor jumping jockey that never moves his body over an obstacle like a jack in a box over the obstacles ,let the front few off 10 lengths make a bit of effort and finish just to look like effort was made . Stacking em up this year. Battleford,Madurai,The Crafty Butcher,Invitation Only,Riven Light and it will keep happening.Today was a special one as it would definitely have been placed which wasn't wanted .So it had to run into the back of horses to prevent that. Look at the effort up the straight in the follow race. Tells you all you need to know didn't go looking for a wall of horses that time.

just watched again...im a big ruby fan...no-one better on his day...the 1st thing to bear in mind is the big late drift...if you knew the form did add up to much you wouldnt need to wait till nearer the off to lay it...he had it out the back and it didnt jump cleanly at a few hurdles...after 3 out it was visually still going ok but tfrom here to the last he made little attempt to get much closer...then jumping the last he decides to duck inside toward the rail...very strange.
In his defence it looked out on its feet up the run in..certainly didnt look full of running.

I backed this horse and I pretty much agree with what thecollector has said. No better jockey than Walsh. Agree with the others that the horse wasn't in the best position but you could see before the turn that Ruby wasn't happy a couple lengths off the leaders and niggling a bit. From there though especially just before the last you could see the horse was legless though and would never have got in the frame regardless of the ride....

"Irish racing is infested with vermin"

Or at least that's what's the rats say!!!

That was too blatant, if a lower rank jockey did it he'd have the licence taken off him.


And then they had Meta Osborne $hitting on about how straight irish racing is!!! they haven't figured out what sauce WPM/AOB are giving the ponies

Get a grip the horse was pure muck he tried to settle it.

ive always admired Ruby but after Craftybutcher ive an open mind.

gut feeling    Joined: 03 Dec 09
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Get a grip the horse was pure muck he tried to settle it.

A pathetic contribution..wac

Switch it off then switch it on there's only a few that can do that and ruby is no 1 enough said.

ive always admired Ruby but after Craftybutcher ive an open mind

zodiacs favourite horse

nothing wrong with ride IMO, the winner had easily the better form of the two having been placed 2nd in a grade 1 LTO

well sedd roadrunner...must have laid plenty?

only bet on the AW and flat races, more than likely thats why the horse drifted, the other horse had the better proven form.

Ruby often looks in trouble on Mullins horses 2 out to my eye, but most of the time wins because he knows the horses inside out.

They all cant win and the race was competitive.

Re OP, yeah because you'd never do anything like that would you if you had the skill and ******* balls. Lizzie Kelly is more of a man than you.

first time ever I've felt EVIL needs anger management

get it out the system

big lay djakadam lexis

lexus

Thought this was going to look really controversial when read the thread,i can't see anything in the ride whatsoever the horse dogged the whole race think it dogged every hurdle bar one.I don't see which part of the race walsh was supposedly not trying,horse looked beat was never going to win even if it could've got slightly closer...

Horse never jumped and he actually got through the gap he intended to coming round the home bend so no issues from me on that score. The race was already lost by then. Nobody can tell me if the horse had gone from 4.1 to 2.8 near the off he'd have been ridden the same way.  Also the fact that his well supported stablemate won having been in the first 2 the whole way round leaves the ride open to debate/criticism

I get the impression that some on here think I thought the horse should have won the race. That is not what all this is/was about. My beef is the way Walsh sat, motionless, letting all in front do as they please. Then when it looked like he was about to "do something" he did! Shoved it behind other horses! That is NOT negotiable in my view. Visual evidence is there for all to see.

Evilroyslade. Your bang on its not about the horse winning the race.  It's what was done to make sure it couldn't win that's the big problem here. It's same trick every time from this jockey when horse is non jigger

It is the complete and obvious lack of intent from the start that people object to. I also think part of the reason the horse didn't jump well was because he was being restrained. And, no I am not suggesting he would have won either.

It's very easy for a jockey to confuse a horse this most likely reason it didn't jump well. Then they have valid excuse straight away. Horse didn't jump well as trainer stated in poet race interview.

sporting life


11-7    R Walsh    3/1

Towards rear, not jump well, moderate 6th approaching 2 out, SOME HEADWAY AND NOT MUCH ROOM early straight, moderate 4th from before last, soon no extra, one pace opened 2/1


I'd like too see the place lays on the exchange

Some Headway And Not Much Room . Had 20yrds on the outside but chose to fun up the arse of 4 horses. Bent race end of story Tail wagging the dog in Irish racing.

highlight on atr just now

wouldn't of cost horse anything going slightly wide

driven into two on rail


SO BAD