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Gwanyaboyya!! 13 Dec 16 15:15
If this horse was layed in running, should that bet not stand?
Keefter 13 Dec 16 15:16
Dec 13, 2016 -- 3:15PM, Gwanyaboyya!! wrote:
If this horse was layed in running, should that bet not stand?
yup - certainly should,
cringe cringe...the 'official' result says otherwise.
If this horse was layed in running, should that bet not stand?
Keefter 13 Dec 16 15:16
Dec 13, 2016 -- 3:15PM, Gwanyaboyya!! wrote:
If this horse was layed in running, should that bet not stand?
yup - certainly should,
cringe cringe...the 'official' result says otherwise.
Im amazed punters are happy for them to settle bets and then rejig the result. Surelly they should be waiting on the official result before settling? Once your paid your paid it should be that simple and it shapes how you bet on the next few races. To just resettle is not acceptable imo and make your account negative.
The conspiracy theorists probably thought Niall had to give that weight a big tug to get it out of the ripped bag. Maybe they will ask RUK for a slow motion replay of where the weights dropped out.
Dec 13, 2016 -- 3:18PM, roida wrote:
Gwanyaboyya!! 13 Dec 16 15:15 If this horse was layed in running, should that bet not stand?Keefter 13 Dec 16 15:16 Dec 13, 2016 -- 3:15PM, Gwanyaboyya!! wrote: If this horse was layed in running, should that bet not stand?yup - certainly should,cringe cringe...the 'official' result says otherwise.
Official result says Snapping turtle won.
Keefter, Yeah I'm curious about this. I backed him pre race, then stuck up a lay mid race as I usually do. Everything was matched yet the money from my lay is gone and my stake from the back is back in my account. In other words, it's been settled as if it was a non runner. Never happened to me before so I admit I need to read the rules regarding this type of disqualification.
people like to be paid quickly bookie 25 so they can punt on the next race.
Dec 13, 2016 -- 3:22PM, Gwanyaboyya!! wrote:
Keefter, Yeah I'm curious about this. I backed him pre race, then stuck up a lay mid race as I usually do. Everything was matched yet the money from my lay is gone and my stake from the back is back in my account. In other words, it's been settled as if it was a non runner. Never happened to me before so I admit I need to read the rules regarding this type of disqualification.
I'm not sure they are finished resettling the market yet are they?
TheFear i understand that but if Betfair want to model their business on that then it should be first past the post, otherwise they should wait on the official result. They shouldnt be settling quick and then taking funds from your account. I backed the winner/disq horse and then backed a couple of losers. I then reloaded and they resettled taking the reload and making my account negative. No email from CS or nothing. You shouldn't be allowed to bet with funds that are not OFFICIALLY yours. That imo is dangerous ground for Betfair.
Taking them a while to put this right
imagine that been the derby,gold cup ,national etc surely in this day and age there must be a fail safe place,way to put the weights in
they have removed the snapping turtle bets on mine dusty
bookie 25 if you then closed you account I wonder if BF could chase you for the money 
games not moved on since the COTS winked at lizzie taylor and told her to get a cup of tea, 
my statement just showing ERR next to snapping turtle bets
Just popped out and come back and seen my balance reduced.
Can't believe this.
I had a boxing bet reversed on Saturday. Fooking unbelievable.
Can't believe this.
I had a boxing bet reversed on Saturday. Fooking unbelievable.
its only a year since fooking 'sweat-gate'
doesnt seem to matter what the excuse is, they go long enough them seem to find a way
doesnt seem to matter what the excuse is, they go long enough them seem to find a way
Very annoying this delay.....just in principle. Already the USA turnout profit is also tied up...not settled..Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Does no one think these incidents don't result in a void market?
KC the thing is i dont want to close my account. They should just play by the rules. Im surprised with it being a fav that more people have not been effected even worse than me tbh.
there are loads of threads every week about slow settling race, i doubt very much that waiting for the weigh in on every race is the answer
Kjansch no it shouldnt be void. They should either honour their mistake in settling early or should ament the Tc & Cs to first past the post if they want to settle early or wait on the official result. Nobody should be able to bet for half an hour with money that is not OFFICIALLY their money and Betfair are allowing that to happen and then expecting punters to pay it back if the result is amended and they lose.
The dealer then surelly first past the post is the answer?
how can you possibly pay FPTP on horses that dont carry the right weight, surely that would cause even more skullduggery
what about the many of us who want to bet on stewards enquiries etc
turtle is the winner.. mr betfair where is my dosh?
it happens once in a blue moon, your bet is a loser, i have every sympathy with you but what you are suggestion is just wrong.
The market should remain open until they've weighed-in. There should be no suspension of the market when they [approximately] cross the line as the event is not 100% finished.
i not talking about errors in settling the market
im talking about jockeys weighing in light
im talking about jockeys weighing in light
if they didnt pay out till the weigh in, this place would be in uproar
Then they should wait on the official result. Nobody should be allowed to bet with money that is not theirs. I get that for Betfairs business model they want to settle quick but when it goes wrong they should honour it.
they returned my stake on tertle..but no payout for win??
DMS 13 Dec 16 15:47
The market should remain open until they've weighed-in. There should be no suspension of the market when they [approximately] cross the line as the event is not 100% finished.
Yeah, to cater for an event that happens perhaps once a year?
The market should remain open until they've weighed-in. There should be no suspension of the market when they [approximately] cross the line as the event is not 100% finished.
Yeah, to cater for an event that happens perhaps once a year?
hi every one - am gutted as I layed this horse in running and they have taken nearly £600 - surely they cant do this as boranha shouldn't have been running . I am in shock at the moment
if someone doesnt want to bet with money that's not theirs,,, maybe they should wait for the weighed in
steve asked those that bet the winner or layed yours the answer
Dec 13, 2016 -- 3:50PM, Wesdag wrote:
DMS 13 Dec 16 15:47 The market should remain open until they've weighed-in. There should be no suspension of the market when they [approximately] cross the line as the event is not 100% finished.Yeah, to cater for an event that happens perhaps once a year?
No to cater for these rare events and the many photo-finishes and stewards enquiries. How many times do BF open a market slowly or not at all when there's a photo or a stewards?
Just leave the market open until the result is 100% known.
how the feck is returning my stake on turtle a FIX?
Yes, and the market is usually re-opened for photos & stewards.
TheFear we will have to agree to dissagree. Gamblers are Gamblers and there are rules in place to protect the vulnerable(not saying myself) however when Betfair are clearly not following the rules of their licence then there becomes issues such as this. It should not be possible that I or anyone else owes Betfair money. The same way bookies on course are not meant to take tick bets.
poor customer service by betfair - if there is to be a significant delay in paying out Snapping Turtle winners then why not post a message to explain this?
its paid innit?
Well my account been debited on it just the PL hasnt been drawn up properly yet
Well my account been debited on it just the PL hasnt been drawn up properly yet
can anyone tell me if they will pay back money layed on snapping turtle while in running ??
I'm waiting to get a surplus on back and lays for snapping turtle steve so yes
Yeah i have had my stake returned but no winnings yet
oh sorry snapping turtle you layed of course its the winner i misread sorry steve 
A decent company would put up a thread and explain this bollox.
steve2zaf,
Ask betfair to ask the people who matched your lays, if they will void them for you. Some of them might be generous types.
Ask betfair to ask the people who matched your lays, if they will void them for you. Some of them might be generous types.
yep all errors from account statement gone
a brucie bonus today
a brucie bonus today
surely all bets in running should be returned if laying snapping turtle
Rollo Tomasi 13 Dec 16 16:10
steve2zaf,
Ask betfair to ask the people who matched your lays, if they will void them for you. Some of them might be generous types.
steve2zaf,
Ask betfair to ask the people who matched your lays, if they will void them for you. Some of them might be generous types.
Cost me the placepot. Nice divi for what it was, too
Total disgrace i had to wait that long for my £3!! haha
Clowns have resettled the market twice now and still wrong, waiting for them to re settle the re settled market 
Dec 13, 2016 -- 4:35PM, guru1 wrote:
Clowns have resettled the market twice now and still wrong, waiting for them to re settle the re settled market
looks alright to me?
neither wonder not many win gambling...plenty dont even know the rules.
there is no opinion involved in a jockey weighing in light and no punter should be able to gain/lose because of this scenario
in running players need protection or don't have any in running at all
It is a completely different scenario to horses carrying overweight, stewards enquiries based on interference and photo finishes, all of which can be opined on.
these races where the jockey/horse is unable to meet the requirements of the race should not fall on the shoulders of the in running player and should be voided.
in running players need protection or don't have any in running at all
It is a completely different scenario to horses carrying overweight, stewards enquiries based on interference and photo finishes, all of which can be opined on.
these races where the jockey/horse is unable to meet the requirements of the race should not fall on the shoulders of the in running player and should be voided.
kjansch 13 Dec 16 21:25
there is no opinion involved in a jockey weighing in light and no punter should be able to gain/lose because of this scenario
in running players need protection or don't have any in running at all
It is a completely different scenario to horses carrying overweight, stewards enquiries based on interference and photo finishes, all of which can be opined on.
these races where the jockey/horse is unable to meet the requirements of the race should not fall on the shoulders of the in running player and should be voided.
You appear to have forgotten that pre-race players also have an opinion.
there is no opinion involved in a jockey weighing in light and no punter should be able to gain/lose because of this scenario
in running players need protection or don't have any in running at all
It is a completely different scenario to horses carrying overweight, stewards enquiries based on interference and photo finishes, all of which can be opined on.
these races where the jockey/horse is unable to meet the requirements of the race should not fall on the shoulders of the in running player and should be voided.
You appear to have forgotten that pre-race players also have an opinion.
What is so special about the in-running backer that the official result does not apply to them?
ehh because in running punters play at much larger/smaller odds than SP punters...
surely the reason people lay 1.01/1.02 about horses when they're virtually past the post is to hedge the possibility of an objection or scales problem.the traders who go around hoovering up these short prices thinking its a done deal should expect the occasional setback.
i would say it is to hedge but not for reasons given - more to secure their position or trade for profit.
Maybe you're right though..but it happens so rarely that it is out of the range of betfair odds so good luck playing that angle
Maybe you're right though..but it happens so rarely that it is out of the range of betfair odds so good luck playing that angle
declare horse weighing in light a non runner and return bets for SP punters - rule 4
Void bets on in running players
People responsible for the error are the only ones that suffer from the error
Void bets on in running players
People responsible for the error are the only ones that suffer from the error
How can you void all in running bets when the actual second would probably have won with the first past the post winner carrying the correct weight (in the majority of instances)? If I was on the second and only had my stake back I wouldn't be happy at all.
kjansch is talking utter rubbish to expect 2 different results to apply to the same race.
how about people who back horses that have already fallen u/r etc.. should they be voided/refunded kjansch?
I don't get this idea that 'Snapping Turtle would have won if the winner had carried the correct weight'. People seem to have assumed the weights fell out before the race and not during the race and also haven't taken into account that the first past the post was almost certainly idling.
The betting rules are correct and fair as they stand though of course the risk of skullduggery is a significant one. One day a horse will win comfortably whilst continuing to be laid in running and then weigh in very light.
The betting rules are correct and fair as they stand though of course the risk of skullduggery is a significant one. One day a horse will win comfortably whilst continuing to be laid in running and then weigh in very light.
Surely you just get over things like this, I can only imagine over staking an issue here if this is causing so much upset, it's a rare event and these things will happen.
PP Paid disq. in shops
well done just collected
well done just collected
I'm sure most wouldn't mind if Betfair voided the race in such circumstances.
The rules have been applied correctly as they currently stand. Going forward, I cannot see why treating the horse as a non-runner should not apply. Obviously with the application of an appropriate rule 4.
For all we know the weight could have been lost in the parade ring before the race. If this was the case, people were backing this the favourite and under no circumstance did they have any chance of winning. This cannot be fair or ethical.
For all we know the weight could have been lost in the parade ring before the race. If this was the case, people were backing this the favourite and under no circumstance did they have any chance of winning. This cannot be fair or ethical.
^^^^^
Actually, ignore what I just said. Probably open to too much corruption. Owner has a lump on his horse... the horse loses.. the jockey weighs in light... Job done !!!
Actually, ignore what I just said. Probably open to too much corruption. Owner has a lump on his horse... the horse loses.. the jockey weighs in light... Job done !!!
that is the loophole equine- i agree
but that loophole already exists is the counter argument
but that loophole already exists is the counter argument
i should qualify - in that a horse needs to be handicapped..
you see horses weighing in light in various races..down the field
you see horses weighing in light in various races..down the field
Dec 13, 2016 -- 4:13PM, stridingedge wrote:
fook right off
Harsh but fair
roida - hard lines on the loss if there was one. Is this just one of those things that you can't really account for (given its rarity), so just take it on the chin and carry on exactly as before. Can only assume that, as striding says, unless you've massively overstaked, it's not something you worry yourself too much about?
Rob_The_Bantam
I'm surprised you've managed to escape from zodies a$$
I'm surprised you've managed to escape from zodies a$$
anyone else still not has this market settled?
I had layed the original winner pre race but in the transactions the bets still show as ERR and and in the profit/loss statement the market doesn't show up at all. anyone the same or knows why that could be?
I have contacted betfair twice, response was that it would be settled soon, but its 3 days now...
thanks
I had layed the original winner pre race but in the transactions the bets still show as ERR and and in the profit/loss statement the market doesn't show up at all. anyone the same or knows why that could be?
I have contacted betfair twice, response was that it would be settled soon, but its 3 days now...
thanks
it was settled later that day..go on live chat and speak to them.
Get more sense from livescore.com than livechat, probably get told to clear your cookies and cache
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