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I am not a frequent visitor to the forum and there may well be old threads covering this issue. If so please accept my apologies.
I have just been offered a maximum stake by Betfred of £1 on a 3/1 shot, and I am questioning whether there is any pressure that punters collectively can bring to bear on bookmakers so that they are obliged to accept at least a semi-sensible stake.
I am not a high staking or hugely successful punter by any means but stake restrictions make me conclude that making any real money from betting is extremely difficult.
My observation is that it is immoral for bookmakers to entice people to gamble (responsibly) with adverts and introductory offers, knowing full well that they will refuse them a bet if they make even a marginal profit.
Regards
Julian Reed
I am not a frequent visitor to the forum and there may well be old threads covering this issue. If so please accept my apologies.
I have just been offered a maximum stake by Betfred of £1 on a 3/1 shot, and I am questioning whether there is any pressure that punters collectively can bring to bear on bookmakers so that they are obliged to accept at least a semi-sensible stake.
I am not a high staking or hugely successful punter by any means but stake restrictions make me conclude that making any real money from betting is extremely difficult.
My observation is that it is immoral for bookmakers to entice people to gamble (responsibly) with adverts and introductory offers, knowing full well that they will refuse them a bet if they make even a marginal profit.
Regards
Julian Reed
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Definitely immoral. But not a damn thing that can be done about it.
if you would have lost with the larger steak, could it not be said that a favour had been granted?
Change bookmaker don't bet with them. £1 on a 3-1 shot is absolutely disgusting.
Julian,
as you are obviously an account holder and not a large bettor with betfair why don't you just bet on here? on the exchange you won't be limited and can even get some great IR prices taken
as you are obviously an account holder and not a large bettor with betfair why don't you just bet on here? on the exchange you won't be limited and can even get some great IR prices taken
Maybe you are one of the respected and right faces on the bookies punters monitor list. You could try Boils - they are very accommodating to this group over there especially if you mention a Mr Leon Blanche.
pointless even opening up any bookie accounts, they don't take bets, they just surfing for casino players and mugs
Thanks for the answers gents, much appreciated
The consensus is clearly that nothing can be done to oblige bookmakers to accept bets
The consensus is clearly that nothing can be done to oblige bookmakers to accept bets
Countless threads on here over the years, bemoaning the same as you -
- and, worse still - If you do happen to win off them, or merely wish to WITHDRAW any deposit made - many of them, apparently, make you 'jump through difficult 'Identity' hoops' - just to get YOUR money.
- and, worse still - If you do happen to win off them, or merely wish to WITHDRAW any deposit made - many of them, apparently, make you 'jump through difficult 'Identity' hoops' - just to get YOUR money.
Are there any big hitters left?
And if so, what do they do to get on then?
Surely there must be some out there still getting on
And if so, what do they do to get on then?
Surely there must be some out there still getting on
what can be done is for everyone to stop bothering trying to bet with the shysters(futile anyway since they won't let anyone win) and use the exchange
Ow much will they let you bet at SP? Its my experience that the main concern of bookmakers is having punters beat the SP.
Are there any big hitters left?
And if so, what do they do to get on then?
Surely there must be some out there still getting on
They lose.
You can get £1 at 3/1 with Betfred, £10 at 4.1 minus commission on here, or 10 grand at 9/4 with whomever you like.
And if so, what do they do to get on then?
Surely there must be some out there still getting on
They lose.
You can get £1 at 3/1 with Betfred, £10 at 4.1 minus commission on here, or 10 grand at 9/4 with whomever you like.
So there is nobody out there winning betting to big stakes?
Not sure there ever were that many.
Even Brian Wright was supposed to win £100,000 on the race he'd fixed, then lose £110,000 on the ones he hadn't. That was the fatal flaw in his defence for how he'd come by his fortune.
Even Brian Wright was supposed to win £100,000 on the race he'd fixed, then lose £110,000 on the ones he hadn't. That was the fatal flaw in his defence for how he'd come by his fortune.
Pointless saying you better off on here, what if you need to place a bet at say 10am, there is no money on here whatsoever
Not everyone is in the position to sit at home all day betting on every race or during live shows, you should be able to place a bet of at least £100-£200 in any shop at any time.
The exception of course being BIG MART, his position with paddies is unique in that they put through his bet after the race has finsihed, nae wonder the k unt wins all the time
Not everyone is in the position to sit at home all day betting on every race or during live shows, you should be able to place a bet of at least £100-£200 in any shop at any time.
The exception of course being BIG MART, his position with paddies is unique in that they put through his bet after the race has finsihed, nae wonder the k unt wins all the time
Pointless saying you better off on here, what if you need to place a bet at say 10am, there is no money on here whatsoever
Not everyone is in the position to sit at home all day betting on every race or during live shows, you should be able to place a bet of at least £100-£200 in any shop at any time.
Of course you SHOULD be able to, but the fact is, you can't, and it won't change unless they are forced by legislation, or having their risk-free cash cows, ie FOBT's taken away. (over to you MP's)
Not everyone is in the position to sit at home all day betting on every race or during live shows, you should be able to place a bet of at least £100-£200 in any shop at any time.
Of course you SHOULD be able to, but the fact is, you can't, and it won't change unless they are forced by legislation, or having their risk-free cash cows, ie FOBT's taken away. (over to you MP's)
I find it hard to believe there aint people betting 20/30k+ possibly 50k (drip feeding) at the top end of the market these days
Either on here 5 mins before the off or on purple. All these trainers and jockeys etc with info not getting on?
I'm not talking every day or even every week but what about the jockies race etc They must be getting on somewhere and surely it wont be for under 5 figures
Unless they're doing it more regularly for lower sums
Either on here 5 mins before the off or on purple. All these trainers and jockeys etc with info not getting on?
I'm not talking every day or even every week but what about the jockies race etc They must be getting on somewhere and surely it wont be for under 5 figures
Unless they're doing it more regularly for lower sums
Restricted stakes and restricted odds too. I fancied a very well handicapped dog at Belle Vue today, opened 5/2 then into 2/1 ep. Sportsbook have it 6/4!!
Go to the track and no one will take a bet of more than £200, try to pull off a coup and back it off course risks the trainer losing his or her job.
The bookmakers have total control of greyhound racing and should be made to sell the tracks they own. Wrong forum I know but they really have the greyhound trainers punters by the bollox.
Go to the track and no one will take a bet of more than £200, try to pull off a coup and back it off course risks the trainer losing his or her job.
The bookmakers have total control of greyhound racing and should be made to sell the tracks they own. Wrong forum I know but they really have the greyhound trainers punters by the bollox.
Julian Reed and all one thing which can be done is to keep posting these experiences ,because the Bookmakers concerned do not want the many to know how they treat an increasing minority. As you rightly say a max £1 @ 3/1 is an insult to you but it also sends a message to Betfreds customers who currently are not affected.?
The HBF & The Justice For Punters Org are raising awareness there is also a Guardian Journalist doing similar but we also have a part to play by supporting them.A thread like this and many others on this forum will prob be buried and forgotten during the next 48hrs and the shame of it is that this is exactly what the Bookmakers concerned anticipate and wish for.
Betfred should hang there head in shame,lets keep reminding them of this.(Please)
The HBF & The Justice For Punters Org are raising awareness there is also a Guardian Journalist doing similar but we also have a part to play by supporting them.A thread like this and many others on this forum will prob be buried and forgotten during the next 48hrs and the shame of it is that this is exactly what the Bookmakers concerned anticipate and wish for.
Betfred should hang there head in shame,lets keep reminding them of this.(Please)
I find it hard to believe there aint people betting 20/30k+ possibly 50k (drip feeding) at the top end of the market these days
Either on here 5 mins before the off or on purple. All these trainers and jockeys etc with info not getting on?
Sure they're getting on. But not at 3/1 with Betfred. They're getting their £20k on 5 mins before the off at 6/4.
Look. If there were legislation requiring a bookmaker to lay £100 at 3/1, they simply would not offer 3/1. We'd be back to the world of 25 years ago, where you had the choice of SP only until first show on most races, or you'd be offered 7/4 by an Irish independent with a 140% book.
If the whole world is unwilling to lay more than a tenner on here in the morning for most races, what makes anyone think that a bookmaker is somehow going to offer a worthwhile price for every single punter to nick?
Either on here 5 mins before the off or on purple. All these trainers and jockeys etc with info not getting on?
Sure they're getting on. But not at 3/1 with Betfred. They're getting their £20k on 5 mins before the off at 6/4.
Look. If there were legislation requiring a bookmaker to lay £100 at 3/1, they simply would not offer 3/1. We'd be back to the world of 25 years ago, where you had the choice of SP only until first show on most races, or you'd be offered 7/4 by an Irish independent with a 140% book.
If the whole world is unwilling to lay more than a tenner on here in the morning for most races, what makes anyone think that a bookmaker is somehow going to offer a worthwhile price for every single punter to nick?
That was my point sbtw.
There will still be big hitter. They'll just be betting on here or the purple fives minutes before the off at the top end of the market. Agree no chance getting they stakes on with the bookies unless you're losing tens on thousands on other sports
There will still be big hitter. They'll just be betting on here or the purple fives minutes before the off at the top end of the market. Agree no chance getting they stakes on with the bookies unless you're losing tens on thousands on other sports
delta, I was a little worried.
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07 Dec 16 14:56
Ow much will they let you bet at SP? Its my experience that the main concern of bookmakers is having punters beat the SP.
A pin in the paper will beat SP more than not, just look at the early price book percentage, and then the SP percentage.
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07 Dec 16 14:56
Ow much will they let you bet at SP? Its my experience that the main concern of bookmakers is having punters beat the SP.
A pin in the paper will beat SP more than not, just look at the early price book percentage, and then the SP percentage.
Why was the MP expenses rip off brought to a stop?
Why are banks no longer able to mis-sell credit card insurance or make exorbitant charges?
Why are a bunch of old men in suits no longer able to exploit their control of the World Cup for their own financial ends?
Because excellent journalists did their jobs, sought the truth, and exposed them.
Unfortunately for consumers in this industry, the majority of the media who work in it are a bunch of weak, cowardly, complicit, shamelessly self-serving freeloaders so corrupted by their relationships with the bookmaking industry that the overwhelming majority of them are working for the bookmakers on the side.
Little wonder then that the bookmaking industry is able to operate in a discriminatory, underhand and totally misrepresentative manner with total impunity - the people who should be policing them are on their payroll...
Why are banks no longer able to mis-sell credit card insurance or make exorbitant charges?
Why are a bunch of old men in suits no longer able to exploit their control of the World Cup for their own financial ends?
Because excellent journalists did their jobs, sought the truth, and exposed them.
Unfortunately for consumers in this industry, the majority of the media who work in it are a bunch of weak, cowardly, complicit, shamelessly self-serving freeloaders so corrupted by their relationships with the bookmaking industry that the overwhelming majority of them are working for the bookmakers on the side.
Little wonder then that the bookmaking industry is able to operate in a discriminatory, underhand and totally misrepresentative manner with total impunity - the people who should be policing them are on their payroll...
£1 at 3/1 isn't an insult. it's basically your account is now closed. without closing it.
just in case anyone ever asks how many accounts they've closed.
just in case anyone ever asks how many accounts they've closed.
At least 15-20 years ago when a bookmaker didn't want your bets they have the decency to actually send you a ltter closing your account. Nowadays they just put you off by restricting you to a pittance but the stats will not class the account as being closed. Smoke and mirrors.
they'll keep your account open in the hope you log back on, realise you can't bet on the horses and have a little shot in the casino instead.
and that's where it all goes pear shaped ...
and that's where it all goes pear shaped ...
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