Shane Gray

dodgy

No financial interest, but I awaited this thread appearing.

A jog round?

never off bridle, near nearer, in fairness you back a jockey like that, dont expect l dettori

He had the perfect opportunity to get out but instead decided to go down the inside. A dodgy decision regardless of the rest that happened. Didn't even push it at any point.

Yeah I backed it. Didn't put it in the race. Weird ride.

Must admit I was surprised when he went back inside instead of challenging.

That's because he is best mates with Egan and did not want to spoil the treble, lol.
No an absolute shocker of a ride!!!

I wonder what Boycie will say about ride on jolly

Let's not beat around the bush: he stopped the horse.

splinters in abundance,

When interviewed before the race, Cowell the trainer had already stated making excuses why it wouldn't win. Shane Gray was clearly riding to orders, never put in the race, never meant to be put in the race. Like the trainer said beforehand "the track will not suit him".........it wasn't off today and all the bull5hit excuses won't change that 1

I laid the jolly (still behind on the day) but as soon as he switched to the inside turning in,well, I knew that was that. Woeful.

No sure about stopping it, just not a great jockey and his mind is not sharp enough to ride these tight thinking tracks!!!

atr found 3 or 4 reasons why the fav couldnt win,unfortunately it was after the race was run.after timing at its finest.

That may be so but we all seem to agree the space and track was there for him to take and he point blank refused to use it. One could argue it was a very bad choice but I am cynical where racing is concerned ie he stopped it.

*Olly

nothing more than getting in a bad position around that track. poor ride but bent, give us a break

stopped,no question ,hit them hard stewards,in the pocket and ban the horse.

The Dealer, normally i would have agreed with you but the switch back inside when there appeared plenty of room to the outside which is often an advantage at Lingfield and particularly on a big horse that needs some space/winding up has put some doubt in my mind.

i dont see the plenty of room on the outside turning in.

http://www.attheraces.com/atrplayer-replay-overlay/VOD/967917

cruising thro race, with nature of track sit a length or two closer to pace, turn right off turn and win without turning a hair,

its not hard,

probably tied down to sit out ground and sweep wide,unfortunatly there was  no room turn in, beat

sir maximillian came upo the outside and sign of the kodiac moved out, i dont see enough room for him to get out.

Dealer. Every losing FAV is a b3nt ride. And it's always the same tw@ts starting the threads when they do lose.

true

The issue is being debated 's. Kenbo and you bother to post a crass generalist if post.

The dealer - oh dear thought you may be above such idiocy.

what idiocy, there are plenty PT's on here imho poor ride but never bent imo

G Baker, thats what a jockey looks like.

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i just dont see any perfect opportunity to get out once he got in that position

Talking through your pockets.
Thats why i make a living at this game
and most of you dont. The best horse won the race.
You back a big horse on a tight track, last time
out it was held up and came with a late run.
Today totally different circumstances.

That's because I am generalising, Enpassant.

Every day there's threads going up about losing FAVS, some people need to have a bit more dignity rather than crying 'foul' every time they lose on a FAV.

The agreement with 's. Ken post. We can all disagree  on what we see but his post is just diatribe.

What need is there for thar kenbo? It's a debate isn't that the whole point of posting anything on here? Don't bother posting if you think the thread is a waste of time....

looks more like a hanging thread to me

Exactly.

Your the main protagonist for it, Granit.

*gran

Let's not beat around the bush: he stopped the horse.

hardly debating the point enp.

I think it is. I gave my opinion on the issue the thread is concerned with.

It's only debating if everyone agrees with your views.

The best horse most certainly did not win the race.
There was no gap to go wide then if you watch the head on, sign of the kodiac jinks in front of him so Gray has to sit and suffer.

He didn't however use his whip once! The run of the race never suited but he didn't look too bothered tbh, maybe today wasn't the day.

By far best horse in race though

I have not suggested you or any other poster taking the opposite view on the race itself is wrong as I accept views differ.

's.  Ken. You are doing yourself no favours in terms of being taken seriously on any thread if all you offer is abject nonsense.

I've said many times before, when there's a genuine dodgy ride, five threads go up at once. People like Granit, Xaar and Big Muff to name three are repeat offenders, and cry wolf too often.

Enpassant. I've no need to be took seriously, I know less about the game than most people on here. I'll openly admit that. It's the crying every time that does my head in.

If people didn't comment on issues kenbo what would be the point of the forum? Everyone is entitled to their own view including yourself. Unlike you though there's no need to get personal. Just don't bother commenting on any of my posts in future and we'll both be happy....

EVERY THREAD you make is slagging off jockeys.

I can't say I am on this site enough to know poster's  particular MO but I know debate from simple criticism. I guess you are entitled to feel the 'do your head in' but avoiding the thread may be the best solution to that. Though I do take your point......in general.

That's because I'm right, En.

I've just bumped a couple of Granit's threads. You might see a pattern emerging.

Simple then kenbo isn't it? You seem to want to wind people up on every thread o see you on....do I comment on that? No I don't...just leave these types of threads alone in future would be easiest like enpassant says....

To be clear : I fancied the horse to win ANY handicap they chose but was put off by the track bias today which seems to favour close up to the pace horses. So I lowered my stakes and also had a saver on the winner so I am not talking through my pocket.

It was also ten pound higher than it's last win at the track.

You've just said it, Granit.

i often find many posts after a race are made on the spur of the moment and the vast majority but not all are pocket talking.  i would like to think many would take them back after taking time to look back on the race a few times and tale other things into account.

there are a list of posters that it is simply better to leave them to it however hard and let them believe what simply is utter bollix.

I let it go too often with these types of threads. No doubt Granit will take on board what I've said though.

When Gray rode in Ireland he was helpless, and he's no better now. It's as simple as that.
Having watched the race, I wouldn't say there was anything croookked about the ride, it was just inept and having watched Gray for years, I'd have been surprised if it was any other way .

I backed that horse too

isnt it a CD winner