Adge they have not been simple and straightforward there must have been 30 plus different letters land on my door step there has not been any unity in advice given .

foxy , speak to any BRBA director and he will explain everything in great detail.
you would expect that when one organization have directors who are totally voluntary and give up their time for free , attending full day meetings once every six weeks in leeds , regularly meeting with racecourse managers and racecourse groups throughout the country and receiving zero salary whatever any other body that claims high annual salaries for each director and hefty meeting allowances only has the divide and confuse route to take [ I'm sure another one is now overdue ]

we are working towards longer contracts once these have proved to be a success.
once the two year turf tv contracts end to then have all courses under the one umbrella as regards the media rights system for the future

ADGE ARE THESE THE SAME BRBA DIRECTORS THAT HAVE ANYTHING THEY DONT LIKE BUT TRUE REMOVED FROM THE BRBA FORUM AND OTHER FORUMS???? WHOS FORMER CHAIRMAN ALLEGEDLY RENTS HIS PITCHES ON POINT TO POINTS DESPITE THE BRBA OWN RULE 7 FOR ONCOURSE CONDUCT STATING "THE POINT TO POINT COMMITTEE IS OPPOSED TO PITCH RENTING" ???????? YOU COULDNT MAKE IT UP!

SO SOMEONE WHO IS ABOUT TO RETIRE THAT WAS RENTING HIS PITCHES OUT AT THE POINTS,(AGAINST NBPA RULES) CAN NOW POSSIBLY BUY UP AND KEEP GOING ON BEHALF OF HIS BACKER!

ADGE ITS A BIT LIKE THE ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS ASSOCIATIONS,THE LUNATICS ARE RUNNING THE ASYLUM! "HAVE YOU ASKED THEM"

ADGE,WHY DO YOU THINK THE MAJORITY OF BRBA MEMBERS "IGNORE ALL ADVICE THE ASSOCIATION GIVE" ?????????????

FOR EXAMPLE MEDIA RIGHTS,AS YOU ARE FULLY AWARE!

ADGE,JUST LIKE AT THE AGM,YOUVE GONE VERY QUIET?????????????

I personally pulled the plug and removed three postings on the PTP section of the BRBA forum [two by the gentleman you mention and one by the Chairman of the BRBA, who responded]. No one told me to. I try to maintain a civilised standard of debate on the forum as well as  try and pass information to members, be it about on- course, Point to Points, AGT, Gambling Commission. The relevant section on the BRBA forum is about the Yorkshire Area PTP Pitch Transfer scheme, so at best the posting was irrelevant.

The crux, as far as I am concerned, was that the posting was defamatory and libellous. And since I run the forum on behalf of the BRBA, then off it came. My decision. No one else's. Your posting on here says: "ARE THESE THE SAME BRBA DIRECTORS THAT HAVE ANYTHING THEY DONT LIKE BUT TRUE REMOVED FROM THE BRBA FORUM AND OTHER FORUMS????" No other Director was involved and the other BRBA Directors have no involvement with what does and does not go on or stay on the forum. I take sole responsibility. And until this storm in a teacup nothing contentious had been posted, because posters have been self responsible. You seem to be insinuating that the BRBA Directors are deliberately manipulating what goes on, or doesn't go on, the forum, which is not the case. How you can imply that the BRBA can influence what goes on other forums is puerile.

There is a note on the access page to the BRBA forum- Members' Home Page, which I wrote and it says: "Please be aware that you are posting under your real name. As forum moderator, I respectfully remind you that what you say will be read by members of the BRBA. You are responsible for your own actions, which put simply means that I ask you to respect your colleagues and I ask you to remember that there are laws about libel and defamation."

The person who posted on the BRBA forum, was in my personal opinion lucky not to get a lawsuit filed against him. He has since posted on the forum that he 'says it as it is' and that 'everyone knows what is going on'.

I don't know what is going on. If someone shows me clear evidence then I can make a judgement.

Saying it as it is- can be admirable, but where it involves defamation [the action of damaging the good reputation of someone] or libel [a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation], then it clearly isn't telling it as it is, but rather the opposite- it is telling lies, which is what a false statement means- isn't it ?

If people make accusations publicly then they should back them up publicly, with evidence.

any point to point bookmaker can apply for a representative card which has been the way since before I first became a bookmaker in the year dot.
the AGT and gambling commission system regarding schedule y is a modern copy of historic point to point rules.
the BRBA after a lot of work in conjunction with each local hunt in the Yorkshire area have just announced a buying and selling of seniority system which both parties are pleased with. the north west area and Cheshire area are likely to come on board shortly.
the thread in question is an open discussion of their members forum on that subject. Of the 14 bookmakers on each of the 10 Yorkshire hunts seniority list , a total of 25 or so positions are offered for sale in the first sale window, which shows it is likely to prove successful.

it's a tariff scheme and NOT an auction. e.g. pick 1 has a paper value of £1250 , number 14 at £100 ..the hunts are well rewarded with 25% of sales

QUIXHALL,"I DONT KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON,IF SOMEONE SHOWS ME CLEAR EVIDENCE THEN I CAN MAKE A JUDGEMENT"

that would be the correct procedure for a forum moderator , surely.
however , it is good of you to publicize the existence of the BRBA members forum where postings on all topics are welcome and directors replies and additional information is readily available..why don't all associations have this facility ?

as I go on holiday very soon maybe I should remind everyone of these contracts.
you have three clear choices
1/ sign up and let the BRBA pay you quarterly
2/ sign up and let the ARC management pay you annually
3/ don't do anything and forfeit all payments.

there is no fallback to any previous contract [ as with the turf tv deal ] so whatever you do don't make the mistake of number 3..time is running out

three BRBA directors met with Jockey Club Racecourses last week at haydock park , foxy . this was one important issue discussed.

How does it work if the first letter received was returned to FRB with agreement to accept payments but letter from TRP re ARC courses returned signing  up with BRBA adge? I know some who have acted as described. Where is the adge hol. destination this time ?  Will I be required to step in for dominoes duties ?  You described 'pitch renting/sharing' as an 'important issue' I trust you are practising and preaching with some consistency

I have this week personally contacted the management at SIS for clarification on what their situation with FRB now is [ or isn't ] but am so far still awaiting a reply , democrat. the USA welcome me in a couple of weeks or so.

flying to seattle and then drifting

is confrontation the only way you know , factmachine. ?