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Have moaned on here before, and as I type this, he is bound to bang in a winner. However, everytime I hear him, and I have not watched all
today, he just seems to tip loser after loser. Or if he picks a winner, he has mentioned half the field, and the presenter and not Joe TBF says
he gave that a good mention.
When he first started he was quite decent at tipping, and the amount of times I have seen him really fancy one, it drifts after he says it.
In no way do I think it is deliberate, have a feeling his betting style is not suited to our betting, as he makes money from their exotics.
today, he just seems to tip loser after loser. Or if he picks a winner, he has mentioned half the field, and the presenter and not Joe TBF says
he gave that a good mention.
When he first started he was quite decent at tipping, and the amount of times I have seen him really fancy one, it drifts after he says it.
In no way do I think it is deliberate, have a feeling his betting style is not suited to our betting, as he makes money from their exotics.
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this greyville racing getting on my nerves and yes his tipping is awful
can, could just be me, however I find Greyville a horrid track, and seems and only seems a great track to lay Favs
under the flodlights there.
under the flodlights there.
Maybe just be me, not sure about other SA racing followers, over a year, in the big races, lay the Fav, they are always
shorter than they should be.
shorter than they should be.
he puts all the field sometimes in placepot.............must cost him a fortune.................he reckons he makes money ............if he does theres hope for anyone
he does all the field in certain races in placepots............he reckons he makes money doing them
suppose it is possible, you get a lot of odds pokes beaten over there, however you would need nerves of steel,
and a big funding pot.
and a big funding pot.
Jul 2, 2016 -- 5:25PM, ALIEN SEX FIEND wrote:
suppose it is possible, you get a lot of odds pokes beaten over there, however you would need nerves of steel,and a big funding pot.
I'd say he uses a big cooking pot as well
Why are the S.A pundits always so Morbidly Obese ?
This was going so well until the morbidly obese……i suppose its like saying all English punters are stupid. But i try not to generalise. Yesterday was a tough day but i don't measure my punting in days, its a long game and year in year out i finish ahead.
I MUST stress though that YOU have zero chance of doing what i do because using an exchange and bookmakers ONLY is not the way to make money.
The TOTE is the only answer and as an owner it just so happens to tick a few other boxes over and above winning.
Yes i am a FIELD player, not ever leg but in some case FIELD is the only answer. You see some results are impossible to find unless you have an angle, that angle could be something as simple as backing/including a horse because it has the same name as your 1st love.
anyone that wants to openly debate and ultimately listen to betting strategies from me is most welcome to enquire , being civil though is a must.
I MUST stress though that YOU have zero chance of doing what i do because using an exchange and bookmakers ONLY is not the way to make money.
The TOTE is the only answer and as an owner it just so happens to tick a few other boxes over and above winning.
Yes i am a FIELD player, not ever leg but in some case FIELD is the only answer. You see some results are impossible to find unless you have an angle, that angle could be something as simple as backing/including a horse because it has the same name as your 1st love.
anyone that wants to openly debate and ultimately listen to betting strategies from me is most welcome to enquire , being civil though is a must.
So the 1st thing YOU need to know is that SA / HK and Aus is light years ahead when it comes to pool betting. In SA we have % betting, this means that you could work out a Scoop 6 for £12 342 and go to the window and bet £ 10 ands it will print a ticket with your numbers and the % you have of the pool. To some this might appear ludicrous but at that precise moment 2 things occur:
1: the small punter has a chance of catching the Scoop6 and getting a return relative to his lifestyle/spend
2: much more money goes into the pools.
If i begged any of you to do is to just for 1 week boycott bookmaker bets in the UK. Then start betting the tote.
1: the small punter has a chance of catching the Scoop6 and getting a return relative to his lifestyle/spend
2: much more money goes into the pools.
If i begged any of you to do is to just for 1 week boycott bookmaker bets in the UK. Then start betting the tote.
hi joe , I will have a chat with you if you don't mind .
when you say FIELD , do you mean you back 3/4/5 in a race?
how would you go about that , are you dutching all runners for a fixed profit or do you have 1 horse that will make a profit and the rest get your stake back ?
cheers
when you say FIELD , do you mean you back 3/4/5 in a race?
how would you go about that , are you dutching all runners for a fixed profit or do you have 1 horse that will make a profit and the rest get your stake back ?
cheers
Alien
So the way i process betting is as follows and that is why even when they run 2nd or 3rd i collect.
1: Most bets i take are 80/20 with 80 going to the PLACE market. this i would do with horses mostly 5/1 and under.
2: If i fancy a horse at lets say 7/1 instead of £500 each way i rather do the following (lets say its number 1):
2:1 £400 wins
2:2 trifecta 1 x f x f (a few times) Float 1 x Field ( a few times) This means it can run 2nd or 3rd
2:3 quartet (1st 4 home in order) 1 x f x f x f
2:4 exactas 1 x f 30 times
2:5 exactas fx 1 10 times
2:6 Trifecta 1 x 2 or 3 choices x field loads of times.
now sometimes believe it or not i win HUGE by catching my "cover" exactas because sometimes they run 50/1 - 7/1 and the exacta pays 400 and i collect 4000 plus the floating trifectas.
not long ago in a race at Flamingo Park i spent R2300 on stuff like above and collected R487 000 now i know the rand is weak compared to our POUND but the return in the form of a unit is astounding.
So the way i process betting is as follows and that is why even when they run 2nd or 3rd i collect.
1: Most bets i take are 80/20 with 80 going to the PLACE market. this i would do with horses mostly 5/1 and under.
2: If i fancy a horse at lets say 7/1 instead of £500 each way i rather do the following (lets say its number 1):
2:1 £400 wins
2:2 trifecta 1 x f x f (a few times) Float 1 x Field ( a few times) This means it can run 2nd or 3rd
2:3 quartet (1st 4 home in order) 1 x f x f x f
2:4 exactas 1 x f 30 times
2:5 exactas fx 1 10 times
2:6 Trifecta 1 x 2 or 3 choices x field loads of times.
now sometimes believe it or not i win HUGE by catching my "cover" exactas because sometimes they run 50/1 - 7/1 and the exacta pays 400 and i collect 4000 plus the floating trifectas.
not long ago in a race at Flamingo Park i spent R2300 on stuff like above and collected R487 000 now i know the rand is weak compared to our POUND but the return in the form of a unit is astounding.
Pablo
No, you need to understand pool betting. For now forget about the politics that 20-30% is taken out.
So lets look at a simple thing like an exacta. Predicting 1st and 2nd.
If you fancy a horse at EVEN money then you should NOT be taking exactas, because you need to catch plenty for cheap to show a profit.
BUT
If you fancy a horse at 12/1 then YOU MUST take exactas
Your horse for 1st and ALL (field) the other horses for 2nd
and a cover
ALL for 1st and your horse for 2nd
Because its 12/1 even if the FAV runs 2nd YOU will break square BUT and this is the beauty of field betting
when the 12/1 wins and the 33/1 runs 2nd you in a position to collect big money, sometimes (has happened to me) the POOL.
No, you need to understand pool betting. For now forget about the politics that 20-30% is taken out.
So lets look at a simple thing like an exacta. Predicting 1st and 2nd.
If you fancy a horse at EVEN money then you should NOT be taking exactas, because you need to catch plenty for cheap to show a profit.
BUT
If you fancy a horse at 12/1 then YOU MUST take exactas
Your horse for 1st and ALL (field) the other horses for 2nd
and a cover
ALL for 1st and your horse for 2nd
Because its 12/1 even if the FAV runs 2nd YOU will break square BUT and this is the beauty of field betting
when the 12/1 wins and the 33/1 runs 2nd you in a position to collect big money, sometimes (has happened to me) the POOL.
thanks for the explanation joe
I would say your method would work better in Ireland than in the u.k. as the exactas in the u.k. can be pretty poor even with big price horses .
I would say your method would work better in Ireland than in the u.k. as the exactas in the u.k. can be pretty poor even with big price horses .
Some people might come on here and talk about value, this is because they have been programmed to think in a certain way.
So lets take the same 12/1 shot in a 16 horse field and a bank of £450
conventional UK betting is to take £225 each way if
the horse wins you will collect £3690 with a profit of £3240 and that is the MIN and MAX you can collect
the horse runs 2nd or 3rd you collect £765 with a profit of £315
My way is as follows (same horse)
£100 win at 12/1
Exacta 12/1 x field 16 times £240 spend
Exacta Field x 12/1 7 times £105 spend
If the horse wins I collect
£1300 from the win
depending on exacta dividend anything from 16 x £30 to 16 x £????
so this is what i do, NOT in every race and not every time but ALOT.
So lets take the same 12/1 shot in a 16 horse field and a bank of £450
conventional UK betting is to take £225 each way if
the horse wins you will collect £3690 with a profit of £3240 and that is the MIN and MAX you can collect
the horse runs 2nd or 3rd you collect £765 with a profit of £315
My way is as follows (same horse)
£100 win at 12/1
Exacta 12/1 x field 16 times £240 spend
Exacta Field x 12/1 7 times £105 spend
If the horse wins I collect
£1300 from the win
depending on exacta dividend anything from 16 x £30 to 16 x £????
so this is what i do, NOT in every race and not every time but ALOT.
YES they poor because the pools are small BECAUSE none bets into them because they have been brainwashed by
lucky 15
Yankee and other rubbish bets
lucky 15
Yankee and other rubbish bets
For low stakes multiple bets are a enjoyable supplement
.50,£1.00 units
best I've managed is 4 wins,n/r lucky 31, 11k for a £20 stake
bookies lov them because,even a double up,might not get stake back
my single bets are on exchange
Always good to find a system that works for you
g/l readallaboutit
I heard you on atr say you have to chooses races which you wouldn't bet do to schedule
keep up the good work,I like gamblers that have an a opinion
.50,£1.00 units
best I've managed is 4 wins,n/r lucky 31, 11k for a £20 stake
bookies lov them because,even a double up,might not get stake back
my single bets are on exchange
Always good to find a system that works for you
g/l readallaboutit
I heard you on atr say you have to chooses races which you wouldn't bet do to schedule
keep up the good work,I like gamblers that have an a opinion
Hi Joe,
thanks for your replies and appreciate you always explain that you prefer to bet exotics, where as over here we do not. However what has often
confused me, like a lot of tipsters when they first come on they have a plethora of winners and then they start to dry up.
However, and please believe me when I say I think you are genuine about what you say, just wonder about your contacts. Last year particular,
comes to mind, 2 shorties, looked pretty certain, around 2.5 on the exchange, you gave the words you heard, horse backed into 2.1 then suddenly
you get all the money you wanted on and it continued to drift, I wonder about the contacts.
It reminds me of a time I had a very small share in a horse, I am told the horse was very novicey and would need a few runs. Saw a guy place £50
on it at 10s and 8s, as the race started I looked out for him and mentioned the names horse, he said trainer told him it would win. It came 6/15.
Information can be a dodgy thing.
Anway Joe, as a person I trust you, think you are a good guy to front up here and genuinely hope you have a good punting career. Whatever my comments
are, they maybe right/wrong, never done with my malice. And if you need to chill out, put you tube on, and listen to the music from my username. :).
thanks for your replies and appreciate you always explain that you prefer to bet exotics, where as over here we do not. However what has often
confused me, like a lot of tipsters when they first come on they have a plethora of winners and then they start to dry up.
However, and please believe me when I say I think you are genuine about what you say, just wonder about your contacts. Last year particular,
comes to mind, 2 shorties, looked pretty certain, around 2.5 on the exchange, you gave the words you heard, horse backed into 2.1 then suddenly
you get all the money you wanted on and it continued to drift, I wonder about the contacts.
It reminds me of a time I had a very small share in a horse, I am told the horse was very novicey and would need a few runs. Saw a guy place £50
on it at 10s and 8s, as the race started I looked out for him and mentioned the names horse, he said trainer told him it would win. It came 6/15.
Information can be a dodgy thing.
Anway Joe, as a person I trust you, think you are a good guy to front up here and genuinely hope you have a good punting career. Whatever my comments
are, they maybe right/wrong, never done with my malice. And if you need to chill out, put you tube on, and listen to the music from my username. :).
didn't think joe was obese.........I am a couple of stone over weight myself........joe likes good food like me...........frankie and bennies is my downfall......joes is probably the savoy
didn't think joe was obese.........I am a couple of stone over weight myself........joe likes good food like me...........frankie and bennies is my downfall......joes is probably the savoy
it takes courage to identify oneself here in a world full of rudeness, ignorance and anonymity.
well done, that man!
well done, that man!
royal academy...........tipping on the tv is a results business and I can tell you joe is no tipster..............gets it wrong most of the time........like most of them do..............don't get me wrong he seems a nice enough person but like all on tv doesn't appreciate criticism
Okay just a few facts:
1: If we show 9 races i have to have an opinion on all 9. because I REFUSE to "tip/select" a horse and not back it i end up backing all my selection when I'm on air. Saturday I lost £1700 my fee to be on air is a tad less than that. Had i been home i would NOT have had a bet on that card except for Master Sabina which i had done ante post.
2: There are some meetings where i absolutely have a major wager. This is because Ill have a view or an edge.
3: Contacts i have horses with 4 trainers in Sa and 1 in the UK. BUT in a field of 2 there is obviously already 1 more opinion. Try a field of 10….
4: I don't eat at the Savoy as I'm allergic to "too much porcelain showing" I prefer rodizio where you "lower the flag " when enough is enough
5: Exotics are the ONLY way you will ever win life changing money, the sooner you accept that the better.
6: They are only animals and sometimes the best laid plans go astray with a tummy ache
7: I always try to be fair in my responses what i am strong on is my hatred for bookmakers.
any other questions ill gladly answer.
1: If we show 9 races i have to have an opinion on all 9. because I REFUSE to "tip/select" a horse and not back it i end up backing all my selection when I'm on air. Saturday I lost £1700 my fee to be on air is a tad less than that. Had i been home i would NOT have had a bet on that card except for Master Sabina which i had done ante post.
2: There are some meetings where i absolutely have a major wager. This is because Ill have a view or an edge.
3: Contacts i have horses with 4 trainers in Sa and 1 in the UK. BUT in a field of 2 there is obviously already 1 more opinion. Try a field of 10….
4: I don't eat at the Savoy as I'm allergic to "too much porcelain showing" I prefer rodizio where you "lower the flag " when enough is enough
5: Exotics are the ONLY way you will ever win life changing money, the sooner you accept that the better.
6: They are only animals and sometimes the best laid plans go astray with a tummy ache
7: I always try to be fair in my responses what i am strong on is my hatred for bookmakers.
any other questions ill gladly answer.
You are an ambassador for a tipping site ( your twitter) are the results to be believed. And how is Leoboana ( apologies if spelt wrong ),
remember after its turf defeat you fancied it next time on the AW, I backed it that day place only, nice return, not sure if I would have
been happy with the ride for a win.
I had 2 bets today. 1 lost however backed Intisara and up for the day, it ran unplaced behind Oklahoma Sky, they ran in the same race the other day,
both came out today and won. I thought Oklahoma seemed a tidy sort, and very quickly turned out from 1st run. Now to the point. Intisara beat Forest Lawn,
who had not run for 452 days, could this horse Forest Lawn be a winner in waiting.
remember after its turf defeat you fancied it next time on the AW, I backed it that day place only, nice return, not sure if I would have
been happy with the ride for a win.
I had 2 bets today. 1 lost however backed Intisara and up for the day, it ran unplaced behind Oklahoma Sky, they ran in the same race the other day,
both came out today and won. I thought Oklahoma seemed a tidy sort, and very quickly turned out from 1st run. Now to the point. Intisara beat Forest Lawn,
who had not run for 452 days, could this horse Forest Lawn be a winner in waiting.
ps Have you gone on you tube and listened to the mighty music of Alien Sex Fiend?
I am NOT an ambassador for a tipping site.
ipuntratings.com is like
timeform.com
racingpost.com
drf.com
it uses over 80 rules to produce ratings in every race. It then chucks out the TOP rated horse every day. There is ZERO human intervention sometimes i agree and sometimes i disagree with the ratings BUT overall i liked the product so i got myself associated.
Lebeoana is well he runs next Monday and should win. His turf start was the correct thing bu his off fore shoe came partially off and bent under his hoof. had it come off he would have run better but in this case he ran with 1 high heel and 3 flat shoes. He was slightly lame after the race.
I backed Oklahoma Sky and now in the 13h55 Bonfire Heart
ipuntratings.com is like
timeform.com
racingpost.com
drf.com
it uses over 80 rules to produce ratings in every race. It then chucks out the TOP rated horse every day. There is ZERO human intervention sometimes i agree and sometimes i disagree with the ratings BUT overall i liked the product so i got myself associated.
Lebeoana is well he runs next Monday and should win. His turf start was the correct thing bu his off fore shoe came partially off and bent under his hoof. had it come off he would have run better but in this case he ran with 1 high heel and 3 flat shoes. He was slightly lame after the race.
I backed Oklahoma Sky and now in the 13h55 Bonfire Heart
BTW
the results are 100% accurate, BUT please remember that ipuntratings.com is about PLACE betting and NOT win betting. The "top rated" do win enough times but its all about place betting.
the results are 100% accurate, BUT please remember that ipuntratings.com is about PLACE betting and NOT win betting. The "top rated" do win enough times but its all about place betting.
quick question ...is there anywhere i can bet the exotics for smaller stakes because on here the 50pence minimum works out to a high stake for a small punter like me....thanks
How do you cope with losing runs? I'm going through one myself at the moment, & if past experience is anything to go by it wouldn't surprise me if it went on for another couple of weeks, (it's been a month already) and obviously it's not a pleasant experience. How you deal with these losing runs in my opinion is THE most important thing in betting and yet is something that is very rarely touched upon or discussed among punters, tipsters, the betting media etc or seriously in any betting/racing books I have read.
Thanks for the info on Lebeoana.
Sorry about the ambassador link, read your Twitter..............João Da Mata
⭐ @senorsanta Jun 23
8 in a row for http://ipuntratings.com i know i keep metioning them but i am the ambassador and i do like their style.....
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So just assumed you mean it was you as ambassador.
Sorry about the ambassador link, read your Twitter..............João Da Mata
⭐ @senorsanta Jun 23
8 in a row for http://ipuntratings.com i know i keep metioning them but i am the ambassador and i do like their style.....
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So just assumed you mean it was you as ambassador.
i AM an ambassador what I'm saying is its NOT a tipping site.
Got it now Joe, us Aliens take awhile to sink things in.
Happy punting, take care, and again respect for fronting up, and if we do not converse again this week, hope your horse goes well.
Happy punting, take care, and again respect for fronting up, and if we do not converse again this week, hope your horse goes well.
Cardiff
No i seldom do them. The reason is the rules over here are archaic and make it unpleasant to play on the tote
Scholes
yes , i will somehow post information with that regard. follow me on twitter as i don't want to post it here
McCoy
Like i said to Robert Cooper on air the other day, i CHASE….but that was partially in jest. SO why are you measuring losing run over a month 2 or 5? Makes no sense to me, i stick to what i do and look at things long term. My punting will be measured and balanced the day i die until then i cannot be drawn into "short term" losing runs because i BELIEVE in my strategy and therefore don't want doubt to creep in.
I do though do a few things differently to most punters….
I have NO secrets from my misses
When i win anything over £2000 she gets the over bit
I take long term positions on many sporting events this means that even in the middle of a tough racing run i collected / traded out by backing Portugal/Wales and Italy in the euro's so that week my racing might have gone south BUT i collected on football.
i don't PLAY horses or any sport. I PUNT……so the day i stopped betting £50 a win and went to £1000 a win everything changed. I went from 1000000000 bets a year to 500, this forces focus , this means when i win i take my winnings and we travel and live a good life.
everyday though i bet into the pools in SA. I spend between £200 and £300 and most days i get something back……the of course there are days when i collect life changing amounts.
No i seldom do them. The reason is the rules over here are archaic and make it unpleasant to play on the tote
Scholes
yes , i will somehow post information with that regard. follow me on twitter as i don't want to post it here
McCoy
Like i said to Robert Cooper on air the other day, i CHASE….but that was partially in jest. SO why are you measuring losing run over a month 2 or 5? Makes no sense to me, i stick to what i do and look at things long term. My punting will be measured and balanced the day i die until then i cannot be drawn into "short term" losing runs because i BELIEVE in my strategy and therefore don't want doubt to creep in.
I do though do a few things differently to most punters….
I have NO secrets from my misses
When i win anything over £2000 she gets the over bit
I take long term positions on many sporting events this means that even in the middle of a tough racing run i collected / traded out by backing Portugal/Wales and Italy in the euro's so that week my racing might have gone south BUT i collected on football.
i don't PLAY horses or any sport. I PUNT……so the day i stopped betting £50 a win and went to £1000 a win everything changed. I went from 1000000000 bets a year to 500, this forces focus , this means when i win i take my winnings and we travel and live a good life.
everyday though i bet into the pools in SA. I spend between £200 and £300 and most days i get something back……the of course there are days when i collect life changing amounts.
What I was getting at was, that these losing runs can go on for a hell of a long time & I was just wondering if you had any special strategies for coping? Obviously having a betting bank and staying well within your means are paramount. I have long since lost the temptation to chase, but you still can't help getting a bit down when you are going through a losing spell. I tend to sound off to my brother via text, who is the nearest person to understanding what I am going through, but it is a very lonely place to be and at times nothing seems to go right. I had a big win on Osaila last year at Royal Ascot (which I put up on the forum beforehand) and immediately after this treated the family to Christmas and New Year abroad. We can all find winners, it's coping with the losing runs and staying in the game when nothing goes right which is the most important thing - but the least talked about - in betting.
McCoy
I suppose i just think of it as part of doing business……I've never changed as a person. So if i win 10 or lose 10 I'm the same….
I suppose i just think of it as part of doing business……I've never changed as a person. So if i win 10 or lose 10 I'm the same….
I also have my bets for the day/week written down in advance so if I'm losing and there is nothing else to bet on i move onto watching movies or playing with my son. If you treat this serious then you need to have "working hours" so in essence chasing goes away because once the last one of the day has lost its time to go "home"
Yes, I pick my bets out, put them on, then win or lose, that's it.
well then you should not be chasing……also try a budget for the week (like a business does) plan your bets, get your stake ready and if you don't trust yourself let the wife look after the bank tell the next week…..
a few years back I had a prob chasing---now I hav a betting bank /daily stake/ win/lose accept result
Hello Joe, I saw you on ATR the other day and when you tipped the odds on loser in the first I thought you might get some stick on here. If you don't really fancy one nobody would mind if you just said so.
What is the other SA racing tipster Andrew up to these days?
What is the other SA racing tipster Andrew up to these days?
I'm not full time thing, (I have a business to run as well) but I'm not a novice Joe. I've been gambling since I was a teenager. My grandad, who I never knew, nearly went bust through gambling and my dad loved a bet. I think it must be a genetic thing. Last year, I decided to take things seriously, study form, subscribe to a ratings service and, most importantly, record my bets. End of August I was £12k up, then September I lost £7.5k, then October another £2.5k. I finished the year £3.5k up. Looking back, despite the win on Osaila, the big meetings aren't for me. Betting more than one in a race drains the betting bank and doesn't seem to shorten losing runs. The same with ew betting. I probably still have more bets than I should do. My one saving grace, is that I do not chase.
This year, I decided to lower my stakes to stay well within my means. A one point win for me is £50, and that's the majority of my bets. I started with a betting bank of £5k. My aim at the start of the year was to win £10k and hang onto it. End of May I was £4k up, June I've lost £2.1k. I've been knocked back a bit, but I'm still playing with the bookies money.
This year, I decided to lower my stakes to stay well within my means. A one point win for me is £50, and that's the majority of my bets. I started with a betting bank of £5k. My aim at the start of the year was to win £10k and hang onto it. End of May I was £4k up, June I've lost £2.1k. I've been knocked back a bit, but I'm still playing with the bookies money.
McCoy Carp
It's not the bookies money, it's yours. I sometimes think that having the mentality that "It's the bookies money" makes it easier in peoples mind to lose the money you have worked hard to win.
It's not the bookies money, it's yours. I sometimes think that having the mentality that "It's the bookies money" makes it easier in peoples mind to lose the money you have worked hard to win.
Jul 4, 2016 -- 1:06PM, RoyalAcademy wrote:
it takes courage to identify oneself here in a world full of rudeness, ignorance and anonymity.well done, that man!
Agreed.
Well done for coming on here and defending yourself (again).
Yes, you might be right, maybe shouldn't of said that, but it's better than me owing them. The difficult part is keeping the betting bank separate from everything else & not dipping into it.
When a bookie wins your money, he does not say that is McCoys money we are playing with. Anyway, gl mate the game is hard.
i always watch the south african racing on ATR (though its not on as much as it used to be)..............i am a big fan of joe as a guy and as a racing pundit, well worth listening to..............HOWEVER i dont belive it when he says he makes it pay every year.......1 out of every 4 yeah maybe........but overall a loser just like the rest of us.
joe, u always tip some outsiders (over say 14/1) when u r on ATR and i swear, THEY NEVER WIN............u had a golden run maybe in UK winter time 2012/13............i made a nice pot by following u that time..........but its been tough since. basically it hasnt worked out, but thats fine.........i never have a go at TV pundits.........displaying your tips everyday on TV is a disaster zone.......no one wins at horseracing except those layers who know a horse wont be winning because it has a dodgy leg or its being saved for another day. END OF DISCUSSION.
joe, u always tip some outsiders (over say 14/1) when u r on ATR and i swear, THEY NEVER WIN............u had a golden run maybe in UK winter time 2012/13............i made a nice pot by following u that time..........but its been tough since. basically it hasnt worked out, but thats fine.........i never have a go at TV pundits.........displaying your tips everyday on TV is a disaster zone.......no one wins at horseracing except those layers who know a horse wont be winning because it has a dodgy leg or its being saved for another day. END OF DISCUSSION.
his horses only need to place not win
pool funds S.A are huge compared to UK
pool funds S.A are huge compared to UK
whats the take out in south african pool funds?............min 20% i guess..........and people boast they make money regularly...........year right..........
brain dead............they are pro punters who do win..............not me or you but they are out there
When i watch ATR and the south African racing is showing and Joe is in the chair it is always great fun and I will always listen to what he has to say. Great entertainment as he seems to know what he is talking about and he rides the waves just like the rest of us do. Great stuff and fair play to him for a completely honest approach.
As for the day he was thrown the question
" So Joe, what do you do when it all going wrong ? "
Joe replies ....." I Chase "
TV Gold
" So Joe, what do you do when it all going wrong ? "
Joe replies ....." I Chase "
TV Gold
cardiff..........they dont win by studying the form........they have a hotline and know that 1 or two runners are "not today"
BDJ
The most successful punters in horse racing in the world ONLY bet on TOTE. The takeout might range from 20% to even 30% but its a small price to pay for potential BIG payouts. After all YOU might think that betting into a handicap with an over round of 108% is perfect because the bookmaker is only taking out 8% BUT its you V him. In a tote situation is you with tickets which dilute after every race and last man standing wins the remanning pot. I would and DO rather bet into that scenario than any other you might try to "sell me"
Dyn0-Layer
brother that was classic. Cooper has a dry sense of humour and my reply just fitted in perfectly.
Now about "tipping" outsiders. I would like to say that when studying form (or cards come out 7 days before races) i never look at betting. I also probably "tip" higher priced horses (perception) when I'm on the telly because thats the way the meeting has worked out I often don't do the full card. Or like saturday that passed we did the Greyville Group races but never touched turfotnein at all. So i think its perception.
The most successful punters in horse racing in the world ONLY bet on TOTE. The takeout might range from 20% to even 30% but its a small price to pay for potential BIG payouts. After all YOU might think that betting into a handicap with an over round of 108% is perfect because the bookmaker is only taking out 8% BUT its you V him. In a tote situation is you with tickets which dilute after every race and last man standing wins the remanning pot. I would and DO rather bet into that scenario than any other you might try to "sell me"
Dyn0-Layer
brother that was classic. Cooper has a dry sense of humour and my reply just fitted in perfectly.
Now about "tipping" outsiders. I would like to say that when studying form (or cards come out 7 days before races) i never look at betting. I also probably "tip" higher priced horses (perception) when I'm on the telly because thats the way the meeting has worked out I often don't do the full card. Or like saturday that passed we did the Greyville Group races but never touched turfotnein at all. So i think its perception.
Cardifffc
You were one of the first to post on my Liddellwise thread years ago with a smart remark, it then went on to make over 100pts level stake profit in about five months.
It is very hard to make a living out of just backing horses but you are correct, it can be done..
You were one of the first to post on my Liddellwise thread years ago with a smart remark, it then went on to make over 100pts level stake profit in about five months.
It is very hard to make a living out of just backing horses but you are correct, it can be done..
i read an artile once about some maths genius winning money on aussie tote............if u have an IQ of the guys who created google, them im willing to believe they have some formula for winning money but studying form????????.............forget it guys, im not buying it.
Joe out of interest, which courses do you avoid betting on...generally. For me 1. Greyville 2. Greyville under lights,
3 Scottsville.
As you would know the track lay outs, where do you try to avoid.
3 Scottsville.
As you would know the track lay outs, where do you try to avoid.
BDJ- i agree studying form cannot be your only tool. So if you read further up that is exactly why i am a field player in some races. Some results no genius can work out. I have in my punting life scooped 5 pools in South Africa. All 5 times there were at least 2 field races and the results were mind boggling in those races. For emits the ONLY way to play
ASF -As an owner i avoid Greyville Turf and Scottsville. But punting i have no issues with either.
xmoney -yes you can via Betfair BUT its quite expensive, i do it via other means. I know that with the current exchange rate its might seem stupid to win on the SA tote but if you are lucky enough to scoop the Jackpot Pool you all be winning about £25k and you could be winning that for about £100
Guys PLEASE don't forget that ONLY on a tote are you paid with a smile no matter how much you win. Bookmakers as we all know have limits and over the last 5 years its not even limits, one just can't get on.
Betfair started off well but try winning money every week and then tell me you not getting charged……
The tote is the ONLY place and for the final doubters have a look at the pools in Hong Kong
ASF -As an owner i avoid Greyville Turf and Scottsville. But punting i have no issues with either.
xmoney -yes you can via Betfair BUT its quite expensive, i do it via other means. I know that with the current exchange rate its might seem stupid to win on the SA tote but if you are lucky enough to scoop the Jackpot Pool you all be winning about £25k and you could be winning that for about £100
Guys PLEASE don't forget that ONLY on a tote are you paid with a smile no matter how much you win. Bookmakers as we all know have limits and over the last 5 years its not even limits, one just can't get on.
Betfair started off well but try winning money every week and then tell me you not getting charged……
The tote is the ONLY place and for the final doubters have a look at the pools in Hong Kong
its all a fantasy...............just like my friends down the pub telling me about all the birds they pulled...........
Doing something like the placepot is a form students dream,but with the tracks overwatering and the unpredictabilty now of our summers turf placepots are virtually impossible unless you get the word ''soft'' in the going during summer months.Fortunately that doesn't apply to the all weather but those will be getting diluted now woth so many extra meetings and fixtures,still a great bet but gradually getting more ruined..
Not sure how you reuse someone elses comments so just copied and pasted, taken out what was not needed, should be interesting as horse runs in abut 10 mins,
13.20 Fairwiew, looks a strong field.
readallaboutit
04 Jul 16 13:56
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Lebeoana is well he runs next Monday and should win. His turf start was the correct thing bu his off fore shoe came partially off and bent under his hoof. had it come off he would have run better but in this case he ran with 1 high heel and 3 flat shoes. He was slightly lame after the race.
Good luck Joe and all.
13.20 Fairwiew, looks a strong field.
readallaboutit
04 Jul 16 13:56
Joined: 04 Dec 11
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Lebeoana is well he runs next Monday and should win. His turf start was the correct thing bu his off fore shoe came partially off and bent under his hoof. had it come off he would have run better but in this case he ran with 1 high heel and 3 flat shoes. He was slightly lame after the race.
Good luck Joe and all.
Just noticed if Spotinglife is right, different jockey today Ryan Munger, think and only guessing, last time he rode it to a place as a 3lb claimer.
Think I will go place with a little win, up against Jaguar again, however thought this horse was given to much to do.
Think I will go place with a little win, up against Jaguar again, however thought this horse was given to much to do.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM GTFI
Great ride by the jockey, top 3 in the betting filled 1,2 and 4th.
WD Joe.
WD Joe.
nice1...thanks for reminding me alien...almost missed it
i backed his bumper runner at southwell yesterday..got beat second 
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Irelands around the size of the t-bone i had for dinner last night
Class :)
Irelands around the size of the t-bone i had for dinner last night
Class :)
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