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SOUTH AFRICAN RACING ATR GUEST JOE
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How do you cope with losing runs? I'm going through one myself at the moment, & if past experience is anything to go by it wouldn't surprise me if it went on for another couple of weeks, (it's been a month already) and obviously it's not a pleasant experience. How you deal with these losing runs in my opinion is THE most important thing in betting and yet is something that is very rarely touched upon or discussed among punters, tipsters, the betting media etc or seriously in any betting/racing books I have read.
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Thanks for the info on Lebeoana.
Sorry about the ambassador link, read your Twitter..............João Da Mata ⭐ @senorsanta Jun 23 8 in a row for http://ipuntratings.com i know i keep metioning them but i am the ambassador and i do like their style..... 0 retweets 0 likes So just assumed you mean it was you as ambassador. |
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i AM an ambassador what I'm saying is its NOT a tipping site.
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Got it now Joe, us Aliens take awhile to sink things in.
Happy punting, take care, and again respect for fronting up, and if we do not converse again this week, hope your horse goes well. |
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Cardiff
No i seldom do them. The reason is the rules over here are archaic and make it unpleasant to play on the tote Scholes yes , i will somehow post information with that regard. follow me on twitter as i don't want to post it here McCoy Like i said to Robert Cooper on air the other day, i CHASE….but that was partially in jest. SO why are you measuring losing run over a month 2 or 5? Makes no sense to me, i stick to what i do and look at things long term. My punting will be measured and balanced the day i die until then i cannot be drawn into "short term" losing runs because i BELIEVE in my strategy and therefore don't want doubt to creep in. I do though do a few things differently to most punters…. I have NO secrets from my misses When i win anything over £2000 she gets the over bit I take long term positions on many sporting events this means that even in the middle of a tough racing run i collected / traded out by backing Portugal/Wales and Italy in the euro's so that week my racing might have gone south BUT i collected on football. i don't PLAY horses or any sport. I PUNT……so the day i stopped betting £50 a win and went to £1000 a win everything changed. I went from 1000000000 bets a year to 500, this forces focus , this means when i win i take my winnings and we travel and live a good life. everyday though i bet into the pools in SA. I spend between £200 and £300 and most days i get something back……the of course there are days when i collect life changing amounts. |
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sorry joe..whats your twitter name
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dont worry found you...my bad
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What I was getting at was, that these losing runs can go on for a hell of a long time & I was just wondering if you had any special strategies for coping? Obviously having a betting bank and staying well within your means are paramount. I have long since lost the temptation to chase, but you still can't help getting a bit down when you are going through a losing spell. I tend to sound off to my brother via text, who is the nearest person to understanding what I am going through, but it is a very lonely place to be and at times nothing seems to go right. I had a big win on Osaila last year at Royal Ascot (which I put up on the forum beforehand) and immediately after this treated the family to Christmas and New Year abroad. We can all find winners, it's coping with the losing runs and staying in the game when nothing goes right which is the most important thing - but the least talked about - in betting.
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McCoy
I suppose i just think of it as part of doing business……I've never changed as a person. So if i win 10 or lose 10 I'm the same…. |
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I also have my bets for the day/week written down in advance so if I'm losing and there is nothing else to bet on i move onto watching movies or playing with my son. If you treat this serious then you need to have "working hours" so in essence chasing goes away because once the last one of the day has lost its time to go "home"
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Yes, I pick my bets out, put them on, then win or lose, that's it.
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well then you should not be chasing……also try a budget for the week (like a business does) plan your bets, get your stake ready and if you don't trust yourself let the wife look after the bank tell the next week…..
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a few years back I had a prob chasing---now I hav a betting bank /daily stake/ win/lose accept result
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Hello Joe, I saw you on ATR the other day and when you tipped the odds on loser in the first I thought you might get some stick on here. If you don't really fancy one nobody would mind if you just said so.
What is the other SA racing tipster Andrew up to these days? |
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I'm not full time thing, (I have a business to run as well) but I'm not a novice Joe. I've been gambling since I was a teenager. My grandad, who I never knew, nearly went bust through gambling and my dad loved a bet. I think it must be a genetic thing. Last year, I decided to take things seriously, study form, subscribe to a ratings service and, most importantly, record my bets. End of August I was £12k up, then September I lost £7.5k, then October another £2.5k. I finished the year £3.5k up. Looking back, despite the win on Osaila, the big meetings aren't for me. Betting more than one in a race drains the betting bank and doesn't seem to shorten losing runs. The same with ew betting. I probably still have more bets than I should do. My one saving grace, is that I do not chase.
This year, I decided to lower my stakes to stay well within my means. A one point win for me is £50, and that's the majority of my bets. I started with a betting bank of £5k. My aim at the start of the year was to win £10k and hang onto it. End of May I was £4k up, June I've lost £2.1k. I've been knocked back a bit, but I'm still playing with the bookies money. |
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ascot skinned me
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McCoy Carp
It's not the bookies money, it's yours. I sometimes think that having the mentality that "It's the bookies money" makes it easier in peoples mind to lose the money you have worked hard to win. |
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Well said Billy.
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Yes, you might be right, maybe shouldn't of said that, but it's better than me owing them. The difficult part is keeping the betting bank separate from everything else & not dipping into it.
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When a bookie wins your money, he does not say that is McCoys money we are playing with. Anyway, gl mate the game is hard.
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i always watch the south african racing on ATR (though its not on as much as it used to be)..............i am a big fan of joe as a guy and as a racing pundit, well worth listening to..............HOWEVER i dont belive it when he says he makes it pay every year.......1 out of every 4 yeah maybe........but overall a loser just like the rest of us.
joe, u always tip some outsiders (over say 14/1) when u r on ATR and i swear, THEY NEVER WIN............u had a golden run maybe in UK winter time 2012/13............i made a nice pot by following u that time..........but its been tough since. basically it hasnt worked out, but thats fine.........i never have a go at TV pundits.........displaying your tips everyday on TV is a disaster zone.......no one wins at horseracing except those layers who know a horse wont be winning because it has a dodgy leg or its being saved for another day. END OF DISCUSSION. |
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his horses only need to place not win
pool funds S.A are huge compared to UK |
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whats the take out in south african pool funds?............min 20% i guess..........and people boast they make money regularly...........year right..........
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Doesn't matter if 95% of it is mug money,which it is..
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brain dead............they are pro punters who do win..............not me or you but they are out there
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*there are pro punters
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When i watch ATR and the south African racing is showing and Joe is in the chair it is always great fun and I will always listen to what he has to say. Great entertainment as he seems to know what he is talking about and he rides the waves just like the rest of us do. Great stuff and fair play to him for a completely honest approach.
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As for the day he was thrown the question
" So Joe, what do you do when it all going wrong ? " Joe replies ....." I Chase " TV Gold |
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cardiff..........they dont win by studying the form........they have a hotline and know that 1 or two runners are "not today"
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BDJ
The most successful punters in horse racing in the world ONLY bet on TOTE. The takeout might range from 20% to even 30% but its a small price to pay for potential BIG payouts. After all YOU might think that betting into a handicap with an over round of 108% is perfect because the bookmaker is only taking out 8% BUT its you V him. In a tote situation is you with tickets which dilute after every race and last man standing wins the remanning pot. I would and DO rather bet into that scenario than any other you might try to "sell me" Dyn0-Layer brother that was classic. Cooper has a dry sense of humour and my reply just fitted in perfectly. Now about "tipping" outsiders. I would like to say that when studying form (or cards come out 7 days before races) i never look at betting. I also probably "tip" higher priced horses (perception) when I'm on the telly because thats the way the meeting has worked out I often don't do the full card. Or like saturday that passed we did the Greyville Group races but never touched turfotnein at all. So i think its perception. |
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Cardifffc
You were one of the first to post on my Liddellwise thread years ago with a smart remark, it then went on to make over 100pts level stake profit in about five months. It is very hard to make a living out of just backing horses but you are correct, it can be done.. |
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i read an artile once about some maths genius winning money on aussie tote............if u have an IQ of the guys who created google, them im willing to believe they have some formula for winning money but studying form????????.............forget it guys, im not buying it.
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Can you bet S.A tote UK?
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Joe out of interest, which courses do you avoid betting on...generally. For me 1. Greyville 2. Greyville under lights,
3 Scottsville. As you would know the track lay outs, where do you try to avoid. |
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BDJ- i agree studying form cannot be your only tool. So if you read further up that is exactly why i am a field player in some races. Some results no genius can work out. I have in my punting life scooped 5 pools in South Africa. All 5 times there were at least 2 field races and the results were mind boggling in those races. For emits the ONLY way to play
ASF -As an owner i avoid Greyville Turf and Scottsville. But punting i have no issues with either. xmoney -yes you can via Betfair BUT its quite expensive, i do it via other means. I know that with the current exchange rate its might seem stupid to win on the SA tote but if you are lucky enough to scoop the Jackpot Pool you all be winning about £25k and you could be winning that for about £100 Guys PLEASE don't forget that ONLY on a tote are you paid with a smile no matter how much you win. Bookmakers as we all know have limits and over the last 5 years its not even limits, one just can't get on. Betfair started off well but try winning money every week and then tell me you not getting charged…… The tote is the ONLY place and for the final doubters have a look at the pools in Hong Kong |
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its all a fantasy...............just like my friends down the pub telling me about all the birds they pulled...........
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Doing something like the placepot is a form students dream,but with the tracks overwatering and the unpredictabilty now of our summers turf placepots are virtually impossible unless you get the word ''soft'' in the going during summer months.Fortunately that doesn't apply to the all weather but those will be getting diluted now woth so many extra meetings and fixtures,still a great bet but gradually getting more ruined..
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Well done Joe
 A-B-C as easy as 1-2-3  |
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Not sure how you reuse someone elses comments so just copied and pasted, taken out what was not needed, should be interesting as horse runs in abut 10 mins,
13.20 Fairwiew, looks a strong field. readallaboutit 04 Jul 16 13:56 Joined: 04 Dec 11 | Topic/replies: 55 | Blogger: readallaboutit's blog Lebeoana is well he runs next Monday and should win. His turf start was the correct thing bu his off fore shoe came partially off and bent under his hoof. had it come off he would have run better but in this case he ran with 1 high heel and 3 flat shoes. He was slightly lame after the race. Good luck Joe and all. |