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so it's his Lockinge for me as it's the only one I was there for.
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Although I mostly follow NH racing I agree with some of the other posts in that the nature of Frankel's 2000gns win was quite incredible. I can't ever remember seeing a horse run at sprint pace in 1 mile Classic race and still win it with such authority.
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Saxon Farm
I could have sworn it was Windsor but you may be right. Memory has caught one of us out. Maybe, someone can clarify from their old form books? There is no way on this planet that I am going to Google Gay George ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Danedream winning the 2011 Arc - probably the most confident ive ever been on a flat horse and was screaming about the filly for 2 weeks leading up to the race - was that confident i was saying that she would leave them for dead and win by 5+ lengths.
Was still 48/1 just before the off for decent money - great day ! and im still searching for another . |
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The Headmaster 07 Jun 16 22:24
Frankel's 2000 Guineas was indeed quite the most extraordinary race, Andrew. Simply outstanding and if I ever see a classic won like that again I'll consider myself very, very fortunate. Headmaster, I was home recovering from a broken leg and feeling sorry for myself at the time of his 2000 win. I had a decent bet on him, but when I saw TQ go 4-5 lengths clear early on I thought he's gone off way too fast and won't keep that pace up, so there goes my bet. When he was 10-12 in front before the dip you could see he wouldn't get caught, but oddly enough, throughout the whole race i didn't cheer at all. At the finish I was so in awe and couldn't really believe what I had seen. I very much doubt we will see anything similar again in the 2000. I was very fortunate (and privileged) to see Frankel race 4 times, including the QA and champion, the latter at which is the only occasion I have shed a tear at a course, knowing I wouldn't see him (or HRAC) again. A truly remarkable horse. |
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I was lucky enough to be in NY for the 1990 Breeders Cup, and had what was for me, a lumpy bet on Dayjur. In real time I didn't notice him jump the shadow, just knew one second he had the race won and as they went past the post he was second! Gutted.
Also saw Dessies Gold Cup that was fantastic, and have to give Frankel a mention even though I never saw him live, he was breathtaking. |
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as an astonishing performance frankels queen anne as an occasion frankels champion stakes never again will we see an entire racecourse on its feet as the horse raced through the final two furlongs and then for twenty minutes after.
as a race the 2005 champion hurdle as an achievement the dickenson five. |
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Red Rum, third National (as a 14yo glued to TV) and Dancing Brave 2nd in Derby, walked back from epsom to relatives in chessington where i was staying in a state of shock, convinced i'd seen one of the greats and it made the KG and Arc even more special.
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This dates me but I don't mind ...
Gladness winning The Ebor in 1958 ridden by the incomparable Lester - him and I had won The Derby in a facile manner the year before putting that champion Ballymoss in his place but that is another story ..... Back to The Ebor - the picture is etched in my brain - at the furlong pole Lester looked right - then left (with his backside as far in the air as it has ever been) for dangers - there were none and the magnificent mare , carrying 9 st 7 lbs, strode clear to win by 5 lengths (or was it 6?). I had backed her so what a thrill for a young boy - apologies for the after timing!!!! |
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DAWN RUN 1986 Gold Cup......had £500 at 5/2......happy days!!
Thought she was beat......but what a performance to get up!! Heart rate was off the scale that day!! |
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Crepello - here is a bit from the Copes Annual for 1959 on Gladness...just for you
![]() "She was entered for York's Ebor Handicap, now worth over £10,000, our richest handicap, and naturally attracting a higher class of horse than in the old days. As was to be expected she was given 9st 7lb. That she should add this rich prize to her previous successes (She'd won the Ascot Gold Cup and the Goodwood Cup that season) was not altogether surprising. What was really astonishing, however was the way she ran away with the race. Well before the finish she was being eased by Lester Piggott, yet still had six lengths to spare over Woodside Terrace with the rest of a large field labouring well behind. |
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When Queally pressed the button in Frankel's Queen Anne romp, that moment of acceleration was something else.
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russian rhthym winning guineas at 11/1 when it should have been 2/1
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frankels queen anne win, best i have ever seen
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Thanks for that blackbarn - so it was 6 lengths ........
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Live ... Cheltenham ... Bobsline and Noddy's Ride
NH on TV ... Neblin winning the Tote Gold Trophy beating Mrs Muck Flat on TV ... Any of Royal Match's handicap wins 1976 trainer by R Jarvis ridden by Taffy Thomas |
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best memory: time charter winning the champion stakes
worst: celtic ryde dying at Haydock |
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A huge crowd booing when the Ryan Price trained Hill House easily won the Schweppes Hurdle at Newbury in 1967.
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The ludicrous hype every time Frankel slaughtered a mickey mouse filed.
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Went to my first Cheltenham Festival this year and the noise when Sprinter Sacre came up that hill is something I'll never forget.
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Pinhooker, were you there? I remember the booing for Rosyths second win (and I was very young) but nearly all the fuss about Hill House was not on the racecourse.
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SELDOM has a race been so closely identified with one trainer as the Totesport Trophy was with Ryan Price in its early years.
This was not merely because Price won four of the first five runnings of the Schweppes (its original title) but also because two of his winners, Rosyth and Hill House, were highly controversial. The five times champion jumps trainer was banned for four months after Rosyth's victory in 1964. The inaugural Schweppes Gold Trophy, more valuable than the Champion Hurdle, was run at Aintree's Grand National meeting in 1963. In a huge field of 41 (no safety limits in those days) the winner was Rosyth (10st), a novice trained by Price and ridden by Josh Gifford. The following year the race was transferred to Newbury in mid-February and was again won by Rosyth, though on this occasion amid a storm of controversy. Rosyth had failed to win in five races over hurdles since his victory in the previous year's Schweppes, finishing unplaced in four of them, yet this time, carrying 10st 2lb and again ridden by Gifford, he scored by two lengths. His closest pursuers were Salmon Spray, Sempervivum and Magic Court, three horses of championship calibre, while Price's first-string, the favourite Catapult, was unplaced. Rosyth's dramatic improvement caused the Newbury stewards to refer the case to the stewards of the National Hunt Committee (which was then separate from the Jockey Club) at an inquiry in London five days later. At the time, racing justice was crude by modern standards and Price had no legal representation. He explained that Rosyth kept on breaking blood vessels and therefore could not be trained properly early in the season, and that, as an entire horse, he did not blossom until the spring anyway. The stewards rejected this defence; they suspended Gifford until the end of March and took away Price's licence for the rest of the season, which ended in mid-June. In effect, it was a four-month ban with no guarantee that his licence would be restored the following season, though in the end it was. His horses therefore had to be dispersed from his stables at Findon in Sussex to other trainers. Some of them never returned, including Anglo, who won the Grand National for his former stable jockey, Fred Winter, in 1966. Probably the only offence that Price had committed was to be too good at his job. He was a great trainer but the authorities found Rosyth's win too much to swallow. He observed bitterly: "It is a crime to improve a horse and a far bigger crime to win too many races." In the 1965 Schweppes, Price's two runners were unplaced as Elan, trained by John Sutcliffe, prevailed from none other than Rosyth, who was now with Tom Masson and yet again proved himself a spring horse. And in 1966 Price scored a six-length triumph with popular fancy Le Vermontois. But the trainer's runaway victory with Hill House in 1967 caused him more grief. Hill House had finished only fourth in a Sandown handicap a week before the Schweppes, but in the big race Gifford sent him to the front two out and, carrying 10st 10lb, he came right away to score by 12 lengths from Celtic Gold. Price's second-string, Burlington, was unplaced. THE ease of Hill House's victory was so insulting that boos from spectators started before he jumped the final flight, and continued around the winner's enclosure. As with Rosyth, the local stewards considered the winner's improvement to be abnormal, and reported Price and Gifford to the NH Committee. Another ban for Price seemed inevitable, especially when Hill House's post-race sample tested positive for the steroid cortisol. But the gelding was sent to the Equine Research Station in Newmarket, where analysis showed that he had a naturally high level of cortisol in his body and therefore had not needed to have dope administered to him in order to test positive. In effect, he was a horse who doped himself. For six months the Hill House saga was a constant source of news and speculation in the press, and anxiety for Price, but eventually, at an inquiry in August, the case against him was dismissed. The following year Price and Gifford nearly made it five wins in six runnings of the Schweppes when Major Rose (11st 8lb) was beaten only by the great Persian War (11st 13lb). Price handed over his string of jumpers to Gifford in 1970 and thereafter trained mainly on the Flat, though he did have Moonlight Bay, third in the Schweppes as a juvenile in 1973. He died in 1986 on his 74th birthday. John Oaksey once described him as "Capt Ryan Price, ex-Commando, fearless horseman, dedicated animal-lover, outspoken self-publicist and, let no-one doubt or question it, brilliant trainer of racehorses." |
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Google was my friend
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Meyer - I have read that report (many times!!) and others. I can only speak from memory, and I remember boos for Rosyth but not for Hill House. I was young though, but there. Wish my Uncle Jack was alive; he'd remember.
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Blackburn. The above post is spot on. Yes, I was at Newbury that day..have never heard anything like it before or since.
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ProSniper
08 Jun 16 17:33 The ludicrous hype every time Frankel slaughtered a mickey mouse filed. Nathaniel, Dream Ahead, Excelebration, Canford Cliffs, Immortal Verse, Farhh, St Nicholas Abbey, Twice Over, Cirrus Des Aigles. Those Mickey Mouse types you mean. ![]() |
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I was there too, Pinhooker. Odd that I remember Rosyth but not Hill House; still I was young (15) and my memory seems to be contrary to other contemporary views. Mind you I was right not to boo
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Booing, when top cees won Chester cup.Not a clue at the time what it was for
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Can anyone let me know where and when Gay George was tragically killed please?
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Old Vic winning the 89 French Derby for Cecil and Cauthen, a much underrated horse
for personal financial reasons Pennekamp winning the Guineas from Celtic Swing. A very exciting race (for me) |
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Wasn't the Top Cees booing after the Coral Cup? I definitely remember that. First time I'd ever heard booing on track toward a winner. Wasn't at Chester though so maybe he got the boo there too. For reasons outside his control, he turned into a rather unpopular racehorse.
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saxon farm 08 Jun 16 20:17
Can anyone let me know where and when Gay George was tragically killed please? Windsor |
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Hill House's Schweppes win being greeted by booing and shouting.
Royal Palace winning the Eclipse from Taj Dewan and Sir Ivor. |
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Just read other posts on the Hill House affair so apologies for repeating it so soon
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Posy - that 68 Eclipse was a cracker, and the first time IN THAT RACE that two Derby winners had met since the famous 1903 race. Still think the french horse won
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saxon farm 08 Jun 16 20:17
Can anyone let me know where and when Gay George was tragically killed please? Windsor Thanks Andrew, but could you give me the date? |
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Saxon farm/b], apologies, but I don't know, I just vaguely remember it was at Windsor. He won the Scottish champion hurdle in the early 80's so it was obviously a good few years ago. Hopefully one of our resident experts ([b]Onlooker, GED, Blackbarn et all) will see your question.
Your name suggests you were a fan of Fulke Walwyn ? |
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it was 1982 when bill smith rode him to win the scottish champion hurdle hopefully that might help anybody with form books from that season.
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Cairn Rouge beating Master Willie in the 1980 Champion Stakes. The finish was exactly what I'd hoped for thanks to CR and Tony Murray
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reversing placings from york life lucky one of the forgotten great fillies.
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