betting with a bookmaker when they're out of line

Don't be out of line.  Get your odds correct or stop whining when someone has a bet at the advertised odds.

Write that one down.

The great Geoff youre just like the rest of them but you talk more. If you dont want to lay a price dont offer that price - its simple. And in case youve forgotten you hold/have been granted a public licence so you should not be allowed to discriminate against some customers. Granted you are entitled to limit your exposure on a particular horse.

If you're loyal to one firm - and afford them all your business, even when they're not always the best odds, then if you're restricted that's more than unfair

Jeff,

Do you have long term winners among your loyal customers ?

sport isn't affected by whether you have your accounts closed- if you're winning off bookies- the sport is losing. Write that one down.

But plenty are closed now without winning (just by beating the SP which gets shortened up for 300 quid by the same firms who restrict you), those same punters would probably be longterm losers, which would be good for the sport would it not? But they are restricted or not wanted so just leave the sport and bet elsewhere on other sports and never to be back.


What I guess you do is selectively bet with bookmakers only based on whenever they give you top rate- or an offer- You're not loyal to a bookmaker as a customer- you need to get real as to why they owe you a lunch? If you're loyal to one firm - and afford them all your business, even when they're not always the best odds, then if you're restricted that's more than unfair.

Why should a punter take 4/1 when 5/1 is available elsewhere - and give the book a free lunch? Are they not a bigger price because they want to take money on that said selection?? If you are on the tv saying "I cannot have this and will be laying for fortunes at top price" and then people ring you and take that top price what exactly have they done wrong? You want to take it on, and you have punters wanting to back it - that is what you wanted is it not? BUT if it wins you no longer want them because they haven't given you all their business?


Your being unrealistic in your expectations. You want us to remain loyal to you and I see no reason or benefit to reward you with the loyalty you demand. We are in business to make money. Same, I suspect as you. You're unporfitable to bookmakers- you get annoyed when they shut you down. Deal with the reality and stop whining.

I do not want any bookie to be loyal in a sense that they should lay me 500 on a 10/1 shot when they are biggest price, but surely they should lay more than the offered 83p. Let's also be fair here, when a few books are 10/1, others 9/1 and a couple at 8/1 - many punters cannot even get on at 8/1. I also do take shorter than top prices (and never take offers) as it's a price you have to pay to keep an account that bit longer - but still do not agree that I should have to.

Sportsadvisor    23 May 16 06:56 
it's n exchange driven world- where bookmakers compee with the two quid offers on here. And exchanges are incredibly illiquid and fluid. That's a pure fact. If exchanges were that wonderful- I wouldn't be hearing from you about 'not getting on' - to those who label me not a bookie- I say why don't you moan when there's 50p on here to back a horse?



This is all early morning betting and everyone knows that you can get on what you like on the exchanges 10 minutes before the off. It's high time they stopped this early morning nonsense and only open the markets around lunchtime.

I think I shall start watching The Morning Line again after reading this.

it would be very interesting if betfair took notice of your suggestion {they wont due to greed}there is almost a generation of punters out there who never had the buzz of waiting for the firms to price up around 10am the variation was good for everybody they were happy days.

i must also add a lot of punters have become lazy as well.

I would love there to be no overnight/morning markets with the bookies. They are there purely for the bookies benefit as they let a select few on for pennies and adjust prices accordingly, saving money on proper traders.

SPOT ON 1DKW,GEOFF IS TRYING TO DEFEND THE INDEFENSIBLE(NOT FOR THE FIRST TIME) AND IS USING THE SAME EXCUSE THE BETFREDS/365/HILLS/LADS AND THE REST OF THE ONLINE BLUFFERS USE TO STOP WINNING AND IN SOME CASES LOSING ACCOUNTS,ITS A TOTAL RED HERRING!IN MY 36 YEARS OF ONCOURSE BOOKMAKING I CAN HONESTLY SAY I HAVE NEVER KNOWN A PUNTER THAT HAS BEEN STOPPED AND HAD HIS/HER ACCOUNT CLOSED FOR BACKING WINNERS OR BEATING A PRICE??????????????? WITH THE INCEPTION OF THE NJPC TO REGULATE ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS AND THE SALE OF PITCHES ONE OF THE FEW GOOD THINGS THEY DID WAS TO FORCE ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS TO DISPLAY HOW MUCH THEY WOULD LAY A HORSE TO LOSE,SO INSTANTLY YOU COULD SEE WHO WOULD LAY A BET AND WHO WOULDNT,NON OF THIS ARBING NONSENSE WAS TOLERATED,WHATS IRONIC IS THAT GEOFF AND HIS FRONT LINE COLLEAGUES(PRE EXCHANGE) WERE THE BIGGEST ARBERS THAT HAVE EVER SET FOOT ON A RACECOUSE,THEY WOULD TAKE A £5K 10K 20K BET SAY AT 2/1 THEN THE FLOOR MEN WOULD BE BACKING IT BACK ON THE SECOND AND THIRD LINES AT 9/4 ,THE FACT IS GEOFF HAS FOLLOWED THE REST OF THE ONLINE BLUFFERS(THOU SHALT NOT WIN))WHICH IS DISAPPOINTING TO SAY THE LEAST,LOSERS NEED ONLY APPLY,WHICH IS BAD NEWS ALL ROUND FOR AN ALREADY DYING INDUSTRY!

GOOD MORNING TIM TRUST YA WELL AND IN GOOD FORM .................give me the name of any girls name and I will sing you a song with that name in the lyrics ... strong post mate and agree wholeheartedly

Beautifully said, factmachine; even though it came out all capital lock shouty.

Banks: write that down

Why do bookies care anyway if a punter arbs or is it just a collective hate to see the punter win regardless type attitude?

Since we are talking about Geoff Banks here and he has the opportunity to respond if he so wishes, if I open a Geoff Banks account and find an arb where I can either back with him and back with another bookie or bookies in say a 2 or 3 outcome event to lock in a profit, or back with him and lay on here for a profit, why dos that bother him so much?

It's not as if every arb will win with his side of the bet and so cost him money every times, so why does he care if for example I lose money to him but win it from a rival? If anything I would have thought that would please him. Yes of course the odd one is likely to win with him but it won't be every time and if I could be sure my bets would win every time with him then I won't need to arb them in the first place?

Ima, tbf that's a very well made point .


I'd be absolutely amazed if Jeff hasn't got a ''hedging'' account with a bigger bookmaker !


He strikes me as a numbers man, at the end of the day bookmakers ''arbed'' long before the advent of The Exchanges !

So, yes bookmakers have a history of arbing !!!!!!

Bookmakers don't like being ''stitched up'' by other bookmakers !


Which, I believe is Jeff's point !

Why do I always spot my typos once I've sent and re-read an earlier post?

Thanks for you responses gents and yeah, it does seem like bookies want to condemn punters for doing some of the very same things that they do themselves, which is a bit hypocritical really and it will be interesting to see if Geoff Banks comes back into the thread and chooses to give us the viewpoint from his and/or bookies in general side of the matter.

Bookie's don't like winners...same as it ever was !


Jeff, doesn't like being ''arbed'' or used by shrewdie's, and I'd hazard a guess that the people who do this are by & large ex bookmakers !

Look at the people on course now who are in the main hooked up to the purple one....


how many have an opinion ?


Lay a ton on course @ 6s when it's 8.0 on here !

ima - that's what most people have a problem with.  I can understand bookies having no time for people backing at 8/1 and laying at 7/1 if liquidity is decent, although they really should get some decent odds compilers and stop whining.  It's the fact that you're booted for having the audacity to back a horse that you fancy purely because it was a borderline arb.  Plus if there's any doubt, it's safer to just boot you anyway, as it might hurt the bottom line if they don't.