Is in running finish..

Can they not invest in bigger/better servers or what ever technology at their end that is needed?

They sent men to the moon 50 years ago but we canny get fast pics through streaming in this day and age

my opinion is the recession killed most things..not just in running..look at betting shops...empty on a daily basis.

james, that means spending......

also they are a corporation, theyd deffo need it licensed which is more spending

jamesdean • May 15, 2016 3:14 PM BST
They sent men to the moon 50 years ago but we canny get fast pics through streaming in this day and age

sure they did

duncan idaho, I don't play in-running. Level it up and I'll take you and all the rest on no problem. It simply astounds me that anyone has the the gall to play with a sick adv(oh, sorry, that would be their "edge") and then moan like a little spoilt girl that everything is "dying". It's like playing poker and constantly seeing more cards than your opponent. The silly delays make the in-running game 1 big ****g joke. Hopefully it continues getting the joke liquidity it deserves. roida seems to have forgotten that if one can get his or her w/l ratio in decent proportion..the xtra charge is avoided. Of course one that wins 999 bets out of 1000 would have no idea about that...

Failure in that there's always purple? Thousands floating about there - with no ratio or xtra charges to worry about.

thanks roida .

if you send me facetime pics from hexam/sedge/newcastle etc , will I have to see your face in the corner of the screen ?

if I do I will stick with Live Video

cheers

no pablo...mike hock

so sniper..where do you place bets?  obv not on bf.

^ ickkle pics then ...

definitely not interested , but zodiac is

james and dustys correct plenty of track players  sending out these teamviewer live pics from sis and ruk  tracks now  must be only rodias boxes that dont send them out, you have to feel for some of the track boys paying £150 for a seat thinking theres only so many on track watching it live when theres a whole lot more recieving a feed 0.3 behind them from the same track

The tracks should be banned from allowing track players,obviously it won't happen though

dont know what's happened today but 1.5 secs behind has never felt like more of a gulf...hardly got anything matched all aft, felt more like 3 secs 

people in roidas boxs value their fingers...dont forgetnplayers using hand helds..calling on fones..sitting on step ladders..

TRD is the only one not involved.

trd the tracks would make so much more revenue supplying betfair the pics with an agreement with the picture provider etc than they do renting out boxes to track players , the technology is there and betfair could bring the horse racing in running markets back to life and charge us per meeting to watch  a stream which would be as near to  live as possible and then we would have a level enough field , all would be happy except the track players who cant win without a massive edge

^
Providing the stop stutter pause stutter LV can be relied upon.....sooner or later we'll get that back for another fortnight, that's why cancelling RUK at least while it's as quick as LV is a non starter for me.

Relying on LV for the ATR stuff is bad enough, but for everything, no chance!!, especially through the flat season where RUK have all the big meetings.

bugs bunny 15 May 16 17:19 
all would be happy except the track players who cant win without a massive edge


all would be happy except the track players who 'win more' with a massive edge

exactly rodia well worded but the gravy train is running dry we need the near level field to bring confidence and players into the markets if not the track players will just be playing with themselves lol

The LV stuff on BF will always be rubbish as I'm pretty sure it's run via Flash - in which case you'll always get some element of buffering and slowness which is the case presently.

Cobain knew what they were doing - but ATR took the contract off them.  For the pictures to speed up either BF or RUK (if and when they produce a completive online live stream) will need to bring in specialists like Cobain/Watch&Trade...who know how to produce latent streams with the right technology. 

Cobain were able to get the ATR feed they had 0.5 behind to a user if he was willing to pay 60k p/a for a direct uncontended line straight from BT Tower...i.e the technology is there it's just whether there's enough will/brain power from the parties involved to pursue it.

Until then IR continue to die with the proliferation of hacked feeds, facetiming and now most recently as mentioned above team viewer - all of which basically give the home player, in these v.weak markets, with the BF bot working on zero delay and best execution on their end only....very little chance.

Until something changes with the feeds you better hit the track, not play or be an absolute Jedi in running player.

It has to be said though, they're are still plenty good home players that can and do make it pay from home with ruk and lv.
If anythng, they might out last the track players as they don't have huge expenses nor do they need to click for hundreds/thousands a time to make a decent wage.

As hard as it is (and it is hard) there's still enough there for the home player. I'd wager the vast majority that make it pay from home
will still be here next year, making it pay from home.

I think if we are still here in 5 years we will be still asking for something to be done about picture speeds .

betfair said about 6 years ago in a Q&A forum session that " if it was about money , the picture speeds would be as fast as possible technology wise , it's not just about money " or words to that effect . even though they were talking about TV picture speeds , we now know that technology wise it can be much faster ( streaming from the track to home users ) , so I wonder if it is still about the money , or they is more to it .

it can't cost that much per track to set up a way to stream the pictures the on-course players see, to a streaming server and then back to betfair users , so it is more than likely a rights issue or a price issue , which betfair won't pay .

The biggest stumbling block is the bookmakers control racing and they dont want to see in-running flourish. BF is now a bookmaker so maybe they dont want to see it flourish either. At least the New Jersey authorities understood that young people will relate to in running/exchange betting so they've allowed BF because they can see the racing game is dying on it's ass.

The paranoia over team viewer will reach fever pitch on track soon . Keep stirring the pot imo,,,

I think people need to realise that in-running isn't solely competing against track players in the final furlong or two, theres still money to be made and value to be had (imo) if you take a vew early enough in a race. I play from home and know well enough enough not to bother past a certain point in the race as it's pointless playing at a disadvantage - if you're not a track player or dont have fast pics - stop bitching and stay away from the latter stages, simple.

jet , that's not the point .

liquidity would flourish far more if picture speeds were fast enough that no one would bother going to the track .

it would also allow you/me/us to bet later on in a race, which imo would produce far more 1.01s being beaten

I cannot see any new 'younger' generation coming to play in running or even horse racing pre race in the future, they are just not interested in horse racing on the whole. Most people see the sport as full of cheats/corrupt so won't bother getting involved, why would they when they can have what they want on football/cricket/golf/tennis?

More and more is now in the mainstream that winners are banned or restricted to pennies after a couple of winners or beating SP, why would anyone want to spend a fortune trying to work the puzzle out only to be told they are not allowed to bet on it anymore? It's bleak times ahead for the sport itself, not just the in running imo.

betting in-running is far more enjoyable and interesting to youngsters than pre race, you are involved through out , it's like playing a computer game .

slow pics is what will put most off

studious will be getting a call from the bf gendarmes

is it possible to send team viewer without others in the box realising? Or it's too obvious?

Cobain were able to get the ATR feed they had 0.5 behind to a user if he was willing to pay 60k p/a for a direct uncontended line straight from BT Tower...i.e the technology is there it's just whether there's enough will/brain power from the parties involved to pursue it.

why was betfair not using this and why are they not using it now ?

Not sure I agree, pablo.  Most of my mates are late 20s/early 30s, so not sure that they would qualify as youngsters, but they're certainly of the generation that could be bringing the next wave of money into the sport.  I don't talk to them about betting too much, but a few things I've picked up:

1. They all bet through their phones.  Every last one.
2. They're £2 to £5 punters, depending on the odds.
3. They don't understand decimal odds, nor do they have any desire to.
4. Not one has any appreciation of value.  They consider "good odds" to be long shots and "shít odds" to be odds on shots i.e. not worth investing in.
5. They never watch the races unless it's a big meeting and on terrestrial TV.
6. They generally don't know that you can bet in running on horse racing, thinking that the race would be over with too quickly to bother.
7. They don't understand what laying a bet is.

Point 4 (and possibly 7) is the only one going in favour of the in running full time players on here.  Everything else points to the odd pre race punt for a small amount of money that, even if on here, will make little difference to the full time players' bottom line.  How is this going to translate into money being pumped into in running markets on horse racing?

Just saying it how it is Roida.

Figured 5 years ago that by 2015/2016 things will have progressed with the picture business...it's gone the other way while in all other areas of technology things have moved ahead.

What can ye say

rob , I guess I am only speaking from my own experience when I joined betfair .

I would say the answer to most of your points is that it is something you learn as you go along .

I would doubt anyone started betting and knew all of your points within a few weeks .

Agreed on that.  I suppose I'm trying to see it from the perspective of someone who doesn't watch races and has no race reading ability (not too hard for me!). 

If people are betting on their PC, at home, with the race on the TV next to them, I can see how someone might spot what they think is a big price on a horse a few furlongs out and then back accordingly, and how this might then develop into an interest in being a winner in the in running market.  I just can't see any of my mates making the same step.  They're like Lottery players, who just do it because there's the chance of a big win.  The £2 is expendable and it might kop a win of £60 to then píss up the wall on a weekend.  They expect to lose, don't want to have to think about it, and like the fact that when they get lucky they can gloat on Facebook etc.

I saw a few of your P+Ls for Cheltenham rob , are you a pre race trader on the horses ?

Studious_1    15 May 16 21:59 
Just saying it how it is Roida.

andy,you implied something i said in another thread,i got a call last week threatening acc closure.

No, just a straight punter, pablo.

I'm still five figures in the red (or near to it) on horse racing over the account's lifetime, I think.

so is zodie..

I see, I just thought your perspective on horse racing ( you said that you don't bet in-running yesterday I think ) that you weren't a straight bettor  .

as long as you are on the lower side of 5 figures , it's not that bad considering how long you have been here .

your game is football right ?

Well in that case Roida I retract my misconstrued comment and will say no more on my guesses on the subject...save 'em the call. Peace.

I'd confidently say that 17/20 track players couldn't price an event up.

My most profitable sport is golf, pablo.  Football gives me a steady if not spectacular income.  Racing is still a work in progress; I've done okay in recent times, but still not confident enough to count on it.  Don't really have the time to bet on other sports, as I've massively scaled down my hours over the last few years.

I only really bet on horses , I bet on golf for a little interest when watching it  .

good luck

did you back day ?

The first thing Betfair should do is remove the 1 second bet delay, then we can be sure that Betfair's bots have no advantage. The 1 second delay is not long enough to protect those with delayed pictures from being hoovered and only provides a further hindrance when trying to back at the price on the screen with the ever decreasing liquidity.

did you back day ?

I did, but mainly as a cover bet.  Also backed Jimmy Walker .  Total profit from this event might buy a round, which I'm reasonably happy with given some of my bets.

Good luck to you too.

if your laying,u can set your own odds on the keep button.so 6.1 i set 3.0,if the selection is trying u will get matched,if it losses,your 1pt up,if it wins your 2 pts down not 5.

if your laying,u can set your own odds on the keep button.so 6.1 i set 3.0,if the selection is trying u will get matched,if it losses,your 1pt up,if it wins your 2 pts down not 5.

I think that I understand what you're trying to say.  Are you a long term winner on here?

That just boils down to a question of whether 3.0 is a value price at the time. Comparing it with the price before the off has little to do with it.

if it wins your 2 pts down not 5.

for £10 you lose £51 and win £20

it works for me.gl

roida got it wrong.

yesterday, frozen over8.0 matched in runn 3.0 lostdubai mission7.4 matched 3.0 lost.

if it wins your 2 pts down not 5.

for £10 you lose £51 and win £20

lose £31 innit?

most will be unmatched won't they as you're always needing the horse to be out-running it's odds in-running ...isn't the trick to be reading the race so you can offer higher odds to get more bets matched and consistently collect....or am I mis-reading what you are doing?

i want 3.0 thello 3.5 new

duffy yes dont like too many.

If it works for you...wd

greed kills the bank.no bottle laying @full pre race odds.

there are 16 timeform top rated today not fav.all large prices.how many will win?

17

anyone wanting teamviewer, send me a pm.

pm sent (fishing or not)

he's naked on camera

apologies for my post, total rubbish, sent by a now ex-assistant on the wrong log-in.

golden wedding 8.4 matched 3.0.lost

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apologies for my post, total rubbish, sent by a now ex-assistant on the wrong log-in.

________
how many PMs did you get

roida • May 17, 2016 4:20 PM BST
he's naked on camera Surprised

would that have meant he was naked next to you?

lock ya windows gray..

what happened last night?

didnt get in till late..will ring tonite 1.01

As soon as deadbrain started posting I felt this overwhelming sense of retardation

for that reason alone I'm out

bond,commas for sale on ebay.

sirena bond 1.01, djock federer ,murray ,nadal veteran league tennis.

My god your brain is dead

Serena you numb skull

numb-skull is hyfernated

Everyone deserves a second chance, howsyourluck

pics seem very playable today..faster that is??

yep.     0.4 faster today

sandown played well last night

ruk hd same as last week.

yeh, but if you've won it seems better, I thought goodwood played well yesterday...reckon it's behind today though

i lost

apologies tom, credit where it's due, you can look at it objectively regardless of the outcome to the pocket.

cheers,just looked to be fair prices as what we were seeing,that goodwood race that went belly up would have been good for me

cheers,just looked to be fair prices as what we were seeing,that goodwood race that went belly up would have been good for me

I never had any problems in that goodwood race and won a few quid...I was worried they'd void it.

there was a problem affecting some users,under investigation

really tom?

will be swept under the carpet no doubt

no it won't be wes,rest assured