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Well done Barry Gerathy....
Well done Barry Gerathy....
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I think today's ban ill be overt
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So, rather than apologise for an ill-judged ride, Geraghty attempt to explain it away by saying his instructions, from which he dared not deviate were, to sit upwards off 20 lengths off his chief rival and make no attempt to reduce the deficit until approaching the final hurdle. As excuses go, it wouldn't pass muster if it came from the mouth of a 7lb claimer, let alone one of the winning-most National Hunt jockeys of all time. Ban thoroughly deserved IMO.
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I think today's ban will be overturned though. How is Geraghty to know that the horse in front will keep going? - he has beaten the rest of the field by a street.
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The last ban was overturned
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Wasn't he entitled to?
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Well it was a hcp. When a horse goes clear your best clue is probably to look how well the horses around you are going, as it turned out he was 25l+ better than all of them. He finished the race a lot quicker than he started it, so you can say he's misjudged the pace badly. 30 day ban for misjudging the pace is harsh though, i don't know how anyone can say for sure he wasn't trying to win.
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Harsh????? They got off light ffs. They've been doing it forever. It wasn't a surprise to see it happening. The big shock was that the Stewards acted upon this daylight robbery though. The irony was the Limerick stewards having the balls to punish them.
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Misjudged the pace?
The winner of the opening maiden hurdle over the same trip was only 4.4 seconds slower yet carried 11 lbs more. Velocity Boy is rated 130. The pace was hardly scorching in Geraghty's race! |
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Well done the limerick stewards for doing they job.The race looked rotten from the start.
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I don't disagree with that dan hardcore so thought that would be the answer given anyway and don't doubt that for all of his money, JP McManus still gets plenty of enjoyment from backing a winner and especially one that he owns, regardless of whether he needs the money or not, yet the suggestion earlier in this thread was that the connections of the 2nd actually backed the winner just to make a few bob, which I find a little hard to believe really.
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It was surely just a very misjudged race, we only know a certain amount of what is said between Jockey ,trainer and owner so most of this is conjecture..............
These people are multi millionares why would they draw attention to themselves in this way if they are at it week in week out... However I had no interest in the race other than to watch it afterwards,so I'm probably talking bollox.  |
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they prepped the horse in public imo . did the same with cause of causes . r moore could of gotten up on master speaker but felt he had forfeited too much ground , hesitated for a few moments until he realised he could pull the race out of the bag ,but, was then too late . bazzo wouldnt deliberately lose imo no way . schmitt happens
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good fishing
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the bottom line is . if your bread is buttered by jp and he wants handicap plots with horses of limited ability . and you dont have the financial backing to say no sir the horse runs on its merits in my yard or not at all then this is what happens . you please the patron whom pays you your living
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...and Cantlow.
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Against Hazy Tom was it Dan?
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I'll give you one example ima, but there are countless others.
Bondi Beach debut win. On toes beforehand, chased leaders, closer in 2nd after 2f, 5th 4f out, improved into 2nd 3f out, no impression on leader entering final furlong, kept on well under hands and heels inside final furlong to lead final stride, not extended (op 6/1) http://www.racingpost.com/horses/result_home.sd?race_id=626359&r_date=2015-05-10&popup=yes#results_top_tabs=re_&results_bottom_tabs=ANALYSIS Unfortunately for connections, they couldn't avoid the win on this occasion  |
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I don't have any issues with a ban for Geraghty, but what about the other riders and the starter in uniting to give the winner a fantastic start. Anyone watching that race could be excused for thinking the race was decided before the off.
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Presumably as he was still on the snaff when it had become impossible for him to catch the winner.
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And so what was the purpose of that then cider?
Normally when one of Ballydoyle's big priced runners beats one of their shorties, the claim on here is that they lumped on the bigger priced runner to win, yet that one seems to have gone unbacked opening at 6/1 and its SP being 7/1. Either way I don't doubt for one minute that connections at times are shall we say, a little creative with what they do with their own horses, but once again I'm highlighting the suggestion here was that they supposedly backed the winner. |
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If you don't recall the race, watch the replay ima. The 'second string' was not supposed to win. Joseph gave Bantry Bay one of the hardest rides you'll ever see for a debutant. Heffernan had no alternative but to allow his mount to fall in, and scupper the pre-race plans...
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I do remember the race well and backed the fav but I'm just not sure how that race relates to today's one.
You took issue with me cider regarding my comment of "Forgive me if I find it hard to believe that the horse's multi-millionaire owner was on the winner for a few euros" and that's fair enough but surely if in that Bondi Beach race if it wasn't "supposed" to win and they were on the fav, if they thought it had any chance of winning and upsetting the result then why not just not run it? It's not like it was the main danger in the betting and so gave them a better price on the fav. Either way though they were on their own horse in that race and I've accepted that some wealthy owners still like a gamble and even more so on their own horses where they have a certain amount of control over that and knowledge of their own horse's chances, as opposed to the claim the connections today were on the winner, which isn't theirs and so that doesn't apply. |
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I disagreed that having multi-millionaire connections was somehow a guarantee that every runner connected was trying. That assertion is clearly untrue, and the wealth of an owner is in no way an alibi for always trying.
My view is that certain connections are arrogant, and think they have carte blanche to do what they like on the racecourse. Nowhere have I suggested that this was a carve up. Winning today was clearly not a priority, however. |
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was a bhent race simple as...only have to look at the ride the winner was given lto...
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The trying angle (or not as the case may be) wasn't what I was arguing though cider and I've agreed that a multi-millionaire and their horse's connections might well set something up for the enjoyment of pulling off a coup with one of their own runners, but I specifically said about today's race:
"Forgive me if I find it hard to believe that the horse's multi-millionaire owner was on the winner for a few euros." The winner not being one of theirs. |
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why doesnt people like rich richie and jp try to make the world a better place instead of ingratiating themselves, show the world your decent people . all i see is the ghastly phillip green in your midst whose robbed bhs , the credit line and his pension fund and sold for 1 quid after racking up 2 billion debt . after 5 million pound partys etc . he should be in jail
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I doubt very much if JP, the multi-millionaire in this case, had any money on anything in todays race. However there are many people between him and the horse who could very well have had a bet - stable connections, friends and all sorts of hangers-on.
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it makes you laugh this ban will be over turned, the race they choose to get um is far from clear cut.They could of chose 20 other curtain non triers since xmas lol
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the ones where jock tries like mad when the winners already home are my fav :-)
I half expected Jeremy beadle to pop out in the crowd after with a massive grin telling the short changed public it wasn't really a race and dishing out refunds all around |
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Myself and probably loads more backed the winner in running. Like a fool I laid some of the winnings off thinking at some stage the rest would catch up. I do feel a little sorry for backers of the 2nd horse because at no stage was he going to win and you knew your fate a long way out. But to ban the jockey 30 days ... That's a bit harsh and I have no doubt he will get that reduced.
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wft
1650 post do you really think the bookmakers want this sort of thing and who do you think the target is when a horse not running on its merits is allowed to ? |
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O'Brien was obviously happy to treat Found's
first public appearance since her defeat of Golden Horn (GB) (Cape Cross {Ire}) as little more than a piece of work to get her mind and body tighter for a long season ahead From the TDN, so why then was O'Brien not find the jockey and horse band the same? Stewards need to treat schooling the same in all cases. |
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I posted in another thread last week about staying away from Tony Martin trained horses. I'm more surprised that people are actually surprised by the trainers antics.
"Shrewd" some experts would tell you. #moneynotdowntoday |
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Betfair Law........
says.......' Watch Barry win The National on Shutthefrontdoor....'  |
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The Trainer was fined under the non-trier rule having confirmed that he gave the jockey instructions as stated.
So my questions are: 1. Is a jockey required to adhere to a trainer's instructions or not? 2. As the trainer was found guilty under the non-trier rules,having instructed the jockey to ride the way he did (and having stated to the Stewards that he was happy with the ride),wasn't that the responsibility of the Trainer? Isn't it he who should be banned? Jockeys who ignore trainers' instructions will soon find themselves out of a job! |
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Barry Geragthy deserves to be ban 30 days - more if was outside Britain; BG, for a seasoned professional, rode a very ill-judged race with no plan 'B' despite "orders" and the winner showed no signs of coming back at any stage of the race; in a nutshell BG was not riding to WIN and the punishment is 100% justified, no question about that!
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