how far would cue card have won?

sounds about right

was absolutely tanking along so why ask him up?

Hadn't jumped great most of the way around.  Was still travelling though.

Looks like would have bolted up.

Jockey HAD sunglasses on

Couldnt see the fences

who knows how much energy it used to get to the front though...
Still think Don would have won. jmo

travelling and getting up the hill two different things imo impossible to tell

Wouldn't have the engine of the winner. How far would the Don have won the King George?

why not pop him over & put in a short one there?

Agreed about the extra furlong but he was definitely going by far the best when he fell. Djakadam was still apparently going better than Don Cossack as well but he couldn't hold the tank when he got rolling.

He fell. Is the horse ok?

Such a shame he fell. Seems okay.

sewter lives again 18 Mar 16 15:40 
was absolutely tanking along so why ask him up?


you obv never watched the race..he never asked him for anything..horse just didnt take off.

By the same distance The Don would have won at Kempton

Colin said the horse is absolutely fine. I still think Paddy jumped the gun by going between horses at that stage but it is easy in front of a TV. He knew he was on the horse with the best finishing speed so why not just wait and wait again? He might not have beaten DC for stamina but he will always beat him for pace.

Brennan ffs......I can see why Twiston Davies gave him the Big E.

Agree with sageform (including the easy bit in front of the tv) BUT I think Brennan could have taken a pull, reined Cue Card back at that point and popped it, rather than getting him racing between the 2 at that stage. Still a long way to go.

Hunty I suggest you watch it again. He definitely goes to ask him up and then changes his mind,the horse then didn't take off

TRD..absolute and utter nonsense

brennan never moved on cue card...it simply didnt take off.

I bet cue card and no complaints,brennan sat still most of the race,it didnt take off and the rest is history.

Hunty You are wrong in the first instance and right on the 2nd

He definitely goes to ask him up

i dont know what you're watching trd,he didnt move.

Don Cossack is probably a stronger stayer than Cue Card. He would have beaten him in the King George and I reckon he would have beaten him today as well.

Agreed, they hadn't even entered CC's danger zone when he came down, we all would be expecting bot he and Vautour to be still travelling at that point of the race.

I honestly don't think he'd have beaten the winner today.

Thankfully he got up alright after his fall.

Ridiculous question of course but in all seriousness Don Cossack would have beaten Cue Card in my opinion.

Mark He definitely squeezes him up for a long one and the horse put down,confirmed by Colin Tizzard HTH

When Silviniaco Conti fell at the same fence in 2013, loads of people thought he would have gagged up. Now he's not even deemed capable of running at the course. It was an unsatisfactory outcome, however all we know for sure is that he wasn't beaten at the time.

rolly wrong yet again....wa pppppplonka ffs

Thats it Cider. An unsatisfactory outcome.


I hope they meet again with a satisfactory outcome.

I was surprised how easily he went to the front.

It seems it's only a few punters on here who were doubting the horses stamina over the trip.
The trainer would certainly have discussed it with the jockey and going to the front three out suggests that they weren't concerned about the trip at all.

I'll go along with the real experts.

The point is the horse was at the top of his form this season.
They might not get him as good again.

Always going to be hard to say would he or wouldnt he but CC is different horse since his wind op and his new jockey this season, and on the ground today it is just a real shame we didnt get to see if he could had lasted the trip.

What an absolutely futile thread-totally pointless

The horse was without any doubt travelling the best. Whether he would have stayed up the hill is open to conjecture,but if Paddy hadn't squeezed him up we would have found out. First time the horse has fallen in his life,although he did u/r once before

trd what are you watching?  he never moved on it.

think cue card won have beaten Don Cossack but Vatour would have beaten cue card anyway well done Don cossack

no horse is training was going past that monster up the hill yesterday, he had DJAK covered dead in two strides. just COOPER was seemingly niggling you think CC was travelling better? No your horses a bit better and just realise hes a huge horse that needs that. I mean t looked like DJAK wa travelling better than in literally within 3 strides race over. He had it won at top of hill, and did nothing in front.

I am glad tho cos next time we get them against each other ill still get a price. On 3miles + on decent ground on a wide galloping track itll take some effort to beat THE CHAMP! Don Cossack!

Hunty,If you watch it again,couple of strides before the fence Brennan gives the horse a little squeeze,as if to say I need you to ping this,the horse then just guessed at it. Why Brennan decided to make his move when he did only he will know. That downhill 3rd last is the trickiest fence on the course,considering there was still another 2 to jump after that he could have easily popped the 3rd last as he was travelling the best by miles. Hindsight is a wonderful thing,but if he could ride the race again he wouldn't have made his move when he did

I agree with TRD.Racing.

Had he jumped it though I'm sure he would have took some catching because the horse has got both stamina and pace, and looked full of running.

It's a shame because it will take some doing to get him as fit or in that kind of form again at the age of eleven.

Sir Don won on the bridle ffs Cooper hardly touched him,you are  dreaming if you think Cue Card would have won.
Brennan would have had to throw the kitchen sink at the horse just to get second.

Gutted he fell to rob us of the final fight out that it deserved between the top 3! To me he looked to be going best but no way would I say he was a cert and probably would have been done in the run in! But would have been great to see as I didn't think sprinter was going to be good enough to do what he did on Wednesday so who's to say for sure cue card couldn't have done the same as he has looked outstanding all season and ran all the way to the line in each of his wins! But I would say it would have been most likely 60% Don cossack would have won anyway but just a shame to get robbed of the battle.

Sir Don ? FFS.

He didn't win on the bridle, he hit him after the last.
And he certainly wasn't going away.

He's rated higher 5lbs higher than the second.
Why shouldn't he beat him four lengths?

Don Cossack ran to his rating with the second.

There didn't look anything left. He only ran to form.

Cue card is rated higher than Don Cossack.
The logical conclusion is that Cue Card only had to run to form to win.

He idled in front had a load left,worth more than four lengths.

Jasy with respect you are talking total and utter bollox,you think it won on the bridle!!!! dear oh dear oh dear

Not as far as Vautour would have won by ........

I do think he won on the bridle and cant believe how powerfully he travelled,I am sure that is what Brennan was seeing.

we will never know, basically it's a shame he fell,  that's racing

trd as we know this game is all about opinions...there is 10 in my box today..not 1 thinks brennan was in any way to blame...but as i said..all about opinions.

Its just really sad, there is no satisfactory conclusion that can say who's the best this season.

Don tipped up at Kempton, and of course we are told he was going to win. Then Cue Card tips up, when to my eye was going to take something out of the field very quickly.

We are then robbed of the pace and class of Cue Card trying to hold off the staying power and class of Don Cossack.

Tormenting.

^^^agree
Watched again today which i suggest everyone does ,and have to say there is some merit in thinking CC would have won but its just speculation ,although if Don C was going to win at kempton then you have to yeild to the same here ,personally i dont think you can say either would have won with any great certainty ,if if's and ands were pots and pans i would have enough to fill a fckn kitchen .
Overall CC is and enigma wrapped in a conundrum ,maybe stays maybe not ,acts on soft maybe prefers fast ,can make the running but maybe best held up ,maybe close to the pace ,likes to be on off the bridle ,ect ect ect ect ....his record speaks for itself ,maybe ran into a few good uns but when the chips were down too many times he came up short imvho .

egg everywhere now

How far would Don Cossack have won today is the question.

Might find out at punchestown...unless Don Cossack ducks.

but when the chips were down too many times he came up short imvho .

Wrong, he was off form for quite a while. That's why he was lightly raced.
He came back to form at the start of this season.

The horse couldn't breath FFS

Hunty Brennan just said if he had known the horse better he would't have made his move when he did at Cheltenham.

I think Cue Card would have won the Gold Cup by a about a length and a half.

However I also think DC would have won the King George by similar and today by 3 or 4 lengths.

All irrelevant cos we will never know.

He doesn't jump as well since being held up.

As he looked to go between DC and Djak at Chelt there wasn't much room, this may have contributed to the error. Then you could also say that being held up is helping him finish stronger.

It remains that we have been robbed of 2 pulsating finishes, we got one at Kempton but it could've been a 3 way go.

Apr 7, 2016 -- 3:19PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

but when the chips were down too many times he came up short imvho . Wrong, he was off form for quite a while. That's why he was lightly raced.He came back to form at the start of this season.

whats with the Bold Type Dr C ?

happy to discuss racing with you but bold typing me out of context is kids stuff ,leave it out please .

hope you backed CC today and won loads but i have had my eye on this one a tad longer than last couple of seasons ,did not see anything today to make me change my opinion ,do you think the horse has overachieved or as Alice suggested is everyone's hero ?

whats with the Bold Type Dr C ?

Whoops I've done it again.

I reproduced it in bold to make it clear what I was replying to.

You see in your last mess where you reproduced my post without the highlight, it isn't perfectly clear who is saying what.

I certainly recommend highlighting other people's stuff in bold or italics when you quote them. Even though it is kid's stuff.

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He doesn't jump as well since being held up.


Yes, this seems to be the case. By riding him to get the trip they are meddling with the horses decision making at his fences, although the horse seems much happier being dropped in these days, much more relaxed.

Regarding the 'how far would Cue card have won' , well his Cheltenham CV tells us he generally romps up the hill, although not at anything beyond 2m5f. However there can't really be any stamina doubts with Cue Card, especially on good ground.
He was about to stamp his authority on the race in the GC, then he crashed out. At that stage of the race i think his tactical speed would have seen him draw a couple of lengths clear coming to the last and then stay on just as well as than Don Cossack.
He acts really well around Cheltenham but there were doubts about Don Cossack being as effective.

Cue Card demolished the field today and he would have done exactly the same in The GC if he hadn't fallen

I see breadnbutter has posted a picture of himself.

And after writing this as well:

happy to discuss racing with you but bold typing me out of context is kids stuff ,leave it out please .

So what does he call posting silly pictures if not kids stuff?

That King George race at Christmas is looking even stronger as time goes on. I still think Don Cossack would have edged out Cue Card at Cheltenham but I say that with no great certainty and nor can anyone. First DC tipped over in the KG, then Vautour failed to show up and CC tipped over in the GC and now CC demolishes the rest in the bowl. What IS clear is that those 3 chasers are some distance ahead of the rest.

acey deucy    18 Mar 16 17:00 
Brennan ffs......I can see why Twiston Davies gave him the Big E.

In fairness he won a Gold Cup for him and the main reason he stopped using him was to give mounts to his son.

that just about proves.......... he'd have won easy

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