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08 Mar 16
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If you are excited about this meeting from a betting point of view. If you are getting your bank together in preparation as one poster put it then you have the correct view of betting to be a long term loser. By all means be excited with it as a spectacle, in the same way you would the Olympics but from a betting point of view its no different to the Wolves card on the same day and if you have not reached that mental point in your betting you have a long way to go. Some of you will be off to the nearest pre view night to listen to a bunch of journalists, bookmaker rep's and ex jockies try to tell you how to bet. None of them have any credentials as punters and if they do they would not be allowed talk in any intelligent rational terms at such a gathering. Everything about the media's presentation of betting is designed to make you a loser. I know this because I have never yet heard anything within main stream media presentations that as a full time pro punter caused me to lose sleep. Why am I spouting this, because it was one of the most valuable lessons I learnt on the way. The sooner you learn it the better off you will be, most however will not. If you continue to complain about the tipping of Nevison or some other media personality then it means you are listening to them and trust me you should not be. If you want a classic example go to Youtube and listen to the Racing Posts golden rules of betting and if you like what you hear then find a friend who somewhere down the line will allow you to sleep on their couch. Good luck next week at Wolverhampton
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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ZOMG
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yeah but at Cheltenham every horse is trying to win.
Whereas your card at Wolves has how many non jiggers? horses out to stroll around to get a lower handicap mark etc. Surely that makes it a better betting proposition? Also its quality racing, see the best horses in 4 days. |
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The OP is a patronising born loser. Nothing worse imo. And always to be ignored.
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What a load of Tosh.
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I expect on the whole to be ignored which paradoxically is why I have posted. If I thought everyone would rush to listen to what I say I would almost certainly shut up. While only the few are listening I am willing to speak. Perhaps the odd person new to the game will listen and short circuit those wasted early years.
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Enjoy your 0-50 handicap at Wolves. I think you are missing the point of Cheltenham, Aintree and Royal Ascot.
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Certainly missing the profits to be made by betting in top class Handicaps.
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I will enjoy Cheltenham but not from a betting perspective.
'Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled' |
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I agree, if one was listening to others and seeking their opinions on what to back.
But for those who know their horses and have ' paid their dues' in time and experience. There are plenty of good betting opportunities of ones own choosing.hth. |
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I am not saying there are no valid bets, what I am saying is its just another meet. Problem is many people will have too many bets at Cheltenham with too much on. I guess it means more to tell someone you picked the winner of the Gold cup than the winner of the 4.30 at Wolves
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Wolves is a **** hole with loads of falsely run races. A lot of the time the best horse doesn't win. Cheltenham races are truly run and the best horse usually comes out on top.
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OliasOfSunhillow
I have to say I agree 100% with what you say. I will also say that this IMO is one of the best pieces of advice given on this site ever. My betting profits are a lot lot better since I stopped betting at grade 1 tracks on the flat and the bigger tracks over the jumps. However on the all weather I will only bet Southwell. I will be enjoying Cheltenham as a spectacle and will have a bet on every race of no more than £5. |
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Once again I will be going to Cheltenham for the first 2 days, been 3 of the last 5 years. I love going and it is without doubt a brilliant spectacle. However I do somewhat agree that there can be some good bets to be had at lower class meetings and the a.w racing. I prefer flat racing and do ok on the flat but really struggle to get to grips with jumps. I live near Newmarket and always go to the guineas, July festival and numerous other race days but I have to say the whole buzz and build up to Cheltenham is like nothing else all year in racing! Roll on next Tuesday!
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You sound shrewd
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To 1830
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I will only bet at Southwell....at least it's not Portman park.
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I'd agree with the OP if I was a pro punter but I'm not. I'm a 'mug punter' in that I have too many bets to make an overall profit. I seem to do well at the big meetings though, mainly through high paying placepots and exactas for modest stakes. Low weights in big handicaps at cheltenham and Aintree or well drawn horses in big fields at the big flat meetings can give massive dividends on exacta perms and boost placepot payouts.
Can't beat the thrill of getting a good one up! |
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KoD
Completely clueless - as usual. ! |
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It is a myth that someone cannot make a profit if they have many bets. When I switched from bookmaker betting to exchange betting I knew that the volume of bets I had with bookmakers (about 3,500 per year) would be no way enough on here
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The clue to my failure is in the phrase 'too many bets'
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That's nearly as many bets as Big Mart.
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have to agree with maleuk, at least at Cheltenham you know your horse is there to try to win.
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Olias - you are bang on the money. It's actually heartening that there are plenty out there flogging away trying to profit from ultra compeitive racing in a perfect market when the very opposite is where they would find the best source of value if they bothered looking. I've lost count of the people at work sidling up and asking what I fancy for the Gold Cup. As if I had some second sight that no-one else has seen, that they want me to share with them so they can feel the benefit of some imagined inside track. When I tell them the chances are that I'll more likely to be sorting something out at Fakenham, they lose interest - they think I've gone mad. I recall the days when I would count the sleeps to Cheltenham, take the week off and lose myself in the magic, but did I win long term? Of course not. I'll watch it, and enjoy it, but the chances of having a bet are zero - precisly because, everything will be trying and every race will be analysed to death by the shrewdest of layers.
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Spot on Steerforth, I remember some years ago a TV crew going round asking various people what they fancied. The eventually went over to two pro gamblers expecting some sort of coup insight. They said, its two competetive and its over analysed to find an edge. For interest we have a few one V one bets between ourselves and then just sit back and watch the rest.
Now thats not quite my message. What I am really saying is treat it like another meet. If you are having 7 or 8 bets on the first day at the festival and none at Fakenham or whatever then you are probably approaching race betting incorrectly. |
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KoD
Please explain why you think I'm being obtuse. |
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As a clue, My records show that my bets on Cheltenham Handicaps have shown profit over the last 8 years.
It's a great festival. And all horses are trying, and good prices to be obtained.hth |
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Perhaps you are treating it as 'another meeting'
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My father used to say "A 5/1 winner at Sedgefield pays the same as a 5/1 winner at Cheltenham".
Not that he ever had a winner at either I might add, just for a bit of balance. |
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Everyone knows everything's trying at Cheltenham.
The issue in the handicaps is that we aren't certain what hasn't been trying on the runs up to the festival. You then see 'on the day' when the moneys put down and there will be a number of horses in each handicap race where connections are expecting their horse to be the best handicapped. It's not easy, but, I will enjoy trying to make the right decision. |
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Wouldn't disagree in principal. But ( for me) more likely to find a 5/1 winner at Cheltenham than Sedgefield.
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Agree holywell
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Tend to agree with olias, great jumping spectacle ,but just that, bets should be minimum stake, the festival always reminds me of children looking forward to Christmas and father Xmas , just fantasy
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I think the OP should use his Cheltenham betting bank to get some grammar lessons.
Especially in paragraphing and punctuation as his posts are unreadable. |
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Talking with over 50 years of attendances, give up 5 years ago, wonderful tv viewing
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Thanks for the patronising input barry
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good morning jm i thought you had got a red card
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Dopey, I understood every word
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