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The cardinal sin is to beat sp they will soon restrict you or ban you I am a very small punter average bet £5 and even though was not winning money two bookmakers have restricted me to £2 pound or other bookmaker banned me, don't think it will change.
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The problem with the books rules of beating SP and restricting everyone who does is ridiculous. You could randomly pick 100 horses over a week and probably beat the SP with about 60+ of them. You then in the accountants eyes 'have a clue about the game' and are restricted or closed. Also bring in how the books manipulate the SP on course and they basically can do whatever they want. Yet it seems the BHA are fed a load of guff from the said bookmakers who are killing the sport.
Why would any punter get involved in racing when now knowing you are just not allowed to win or even show signs of winning? They will go elsewhere with their punting and get on no problem - how many horse racing punters will there be in 20 years time?? |
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Bet ****...
Ryan (2/16/2016, 3:51:40 PM): Welcome to BetBright.com. How can I help you today? Me (2/16/2016, 3:52:00 PM): hi, i see my last few bets do not have BOG applied, has that been removed? Me (2/16/2016, 3:52:07 PM): seems crazy if it has Ryan (2/16/2016, 3:52:40 PM): Hi Toby, let me check this for you here Me (2/16/2016, 3:52:46 PM): cheers Ryan Ryan (2/16/2016, 3:56:11 PM): Ok it appears there is a trading decision on your account which restricts you from gaining BOG odds. Thats why it hasn't been applied to your last few bets Me (2/16/2016, 3:56:29 PM): ok, strange Me (2/16/2016, 3:56:55 PM): can you advise what my total P/L is since the account was opened please Ryan? Ryan (2/16/2016, 3:57:34 PM): Sure I'll check that now Me (2/16/2016, 3:57:42 PM): thanks Ryan Ryan (2/16/2016, 3:58:42 PM): Ok it looks like you have a loss of £1.245.30 since the account opening in April 2015 Me (2/16/2016, 3:59:00 PM): seems an odd 'trading decision' Me (2/16/2016, 3:59:07 PM): is it policy to advise customers that decision has been made? Me (2/16/2016, 3:59:31 PM): because this feels like pretty awful service, to remove fairly standard offers to a losing account Ryan (2/16/2016, 4:00:11 PM): Unfortunately its down to a number of factors that we're not privy to here in Customer Service. Ryan (2/16/2016, 4:00:21 PM): No we wouldn't inform customers of any restrictions Me (2/16/2016, 4:00:31 PM): can i close my account please Ryan Me (2/16/2016, 4:01:23 PM): i might enjoy taking that survey too Ryan (2/16/2016, 4:01:38 PM): Yes you can, now I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't try and retain you, while I can't remove the restriction, I'd like to offer you a £25 free bet to remain with BetBright Me (2/16/2016, 4:02:53 PM): do you think losing more than 100 on average every month constitutes a problem Ryan? Me (2/16/2016, 4:03:09 PM): that free bet sounds tempting though Me (2/16/2016, 4:03:21 PM): and a very return on those losses Me (2/16/2016, 4:03:54 PM): guess it would be too much to ask for BOG to apply to that free bet? Ryan (2/16/2016, 4:03:54 PM): Depends on what problem you're referring to specifically Ryan (2/16/2016, 4:04:12 PM): Unfortunately yes, that BOG restriction isn't something I can change I'm afraid Me (2/16/2016, 4:04:26 PM): you know the problems that make one want to consider closing one's account |
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I had a Boils shut after 5 bets, 5 losers that totaled £790.
But at least the problem isn't that bad according to the BHA.... |
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On this forum we see some good posts and comments Re account closures but they are scattered on different threads and then disappear along the way.There are many thousands of us involved and a united and collective response is the only way we will achieve change.I had hopes that the HBF would help enable this but after several months yesterdays disclosure above by stevetilley is the first and only sign of this.
Some will be aware of a new forum Punters For Justice its worth a look.Currently they maintain a low profile with a planned official launch during GN week.My take so far is that those concerned are genuine and knowledgeable and probably our last and only hope but when they implement campaigns these will only be effective if we work collectively and actively support thier efforts.I intend to do so please consider doing likewise. |
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Tried for a tenner treble on betunfair sportsbook
5/2,5/1,8/1 they restrict me to less than a fiver . Jokers |
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on the Richter Scale the HBF will barely register a tremor and slowly fade into darkness, S Tilley is basically telling everyone this(covering HBF asses), irrefutable evidence is needed to persuade the establishment. maybe when the HBF present the BHA with an issue they should already have this evidence in hand..Incompetence is to kind a word for some cronies at HQ.
when u see the champs image splashed all over FOBT's u know the game is up..maybe its time for the BHA to take control of its own betting by setting up its own exchange and taking the tote back.. all profits would go back into racing and I'm sure many here would welcome another platform besides here to bet into to, one with no restrictions, no IESnare, no bookmaker links and all will feel they r contributing to the sport in some way..Nick Rust whose experience in the field of bookmaking would surely be an ideal candidate to bring about this huge change..Horse Racing has been sold to the lowest bidder for far to long and to be honest its in decline at a rate of knots..prize-money levels r less or much the same as 20yrs ago with no incentive for small owners who love the sport. the present handicapping system needs to go into the bin and horses who achieve their best possible position need rewarding, similar to the trotting system. This will create a very competitive sport long term. the monopoly of wealthy horse owners in both the UK and Ireland has turned our once great sport into a capitalist's wet dream. It's time to get back to basics from the grassroots up. It's time for a revolution or at least a debate ![]() |
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I would like to see this thread remain active.The Bookmakers concerned will wish otherwise so good enough reason.Months ago the HBF stated that thier intention was to engage with the Bookmakers to discover the true extent of the problem.It appears they have not succeeded and we are now informed by one of thier members that the BHA are reluctant to accept that the problem exists or is significant.A sad state of affairs imo.
We need some idea of the numbers any thoughts on this.? |
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The Advertising Standards Authority require all advertisements to be 'legal, decent, honest and true.'
I pointed this out to Skybet when a couple of years back they advertised a promotion for all sky users- but i was debarred; only after getting on my high horse and actually reporting them to the ASA - who upheld my complaint- did they backtrack, recompense me and then all future adverts had the proviso - 'terms and conditions apply' and the word 'all' was dropped from the slogan. BOG is a less clear - but i would say still misleading - advertisement - given that my account was benefiting from this - and the inevitable reduction to penny stakes being imposed. The Australians are right: a bookmaker should be made to accept all bets up to a specified minimum liability on all races - say £1000 - or be debarred. That would demonstrate fair trading . IMO |
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The Australians are right: a bookmaker should be made to accept all bets up to a specified minimum liability on all races - say £1000 - or be debarred. That would demonstrate fair trading .
IMO Correct! And bookmakers who don't will be shut down, which is fair for everyone involved |
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Bet Bright-over a long period of time i think i was up about £200 with these jokers until they restricted me to one whole pound yet the clowns kept sending me e mail promotions bet £20 and get x,bet £10 get y etc,it is obviously beyond the traders intellect to put in place a system to stop sending these promotional e mails to me when they know i cannot get on,any way i have now closed said account to which they enquired why and they got the same answer i got from there trading team when i enquired why i had been restricted in the first place.
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Ladbrokes are an absolute joke how they get away with saying that is beyond me. Restrict everyone to 20p bets then claim you dont close accounts.
Never bet with them before then first 2 bets was restricted to winning 100 quid 1/5 darts player and 4/11 in running 20/20.... no more allowed over the phone. Laughable. Then you have to jump through hoops to get the money you deposited with them back. Unfortunately accounts are needed these days with ever decreasing volumes on this site and PC. The ....the game is basically gone |
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my betfair sportsbook account is in profit, why not restricted?
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Is your exchange in profit?!
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huge profit from max bank lays
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Thats what they go off, they have a peep at your exchange biz down the years if they are not comfortable with that they wont lay an egg.
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but dont 95% of exchange players lose?
and arent about 70% on here restricted? doesnt add up |
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I have never met anyone who hasnt been restricted on betfair sportsbook!
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u have now
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Good man go and take em out while you can!
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i dont use them a lot to be honest, and the profit is only a few hundred, but one of my losing bets was on Kingman at 8/1 for the Guineas, went off a short price as you know, which would have put the profit much higher and getting a much bigger price than sp, still not restricted, I wonder had I backed Kingman e/w would I have been restricted, because i think its those short price e/w tht get people blocked, they dont want that business, I play straight and I always get on
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U should be just about ok betting ante post for the guineas!
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oneyall ur a fascinating bloke. I remember I think when u first appeared, off-the-wall selections and sensational wins. I think I'm ready to think about possibly playing to win. Amidst all the reports of account-closures and restrictions, are you saying you can keep winning and they don't close or restrict you? I'd like to think so
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although must admit, I have few accounts that must have been marked as mug punter, between 16 and 21 i gave them it all, always got turns at the good meetings and would blow it on the aw etc
and we all know they share info so I must be in a list as a good "recreational" player thankfully I have more restraint now |
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