To beat Djakadam

Wakanda - Give it up, might run into 3rd but realistically has zero win claims

My opinion is don't waste your time looking for an unlikely event. Djakadam will slam that lot with the minimum of fuss.

whats many clouds weight situation with djakadam compared to the year before lasts hennessy? seems overpriced to me to be honest

just looked gave it 9lb and beat it 28 lengths , now 8-1 agst 4-6

in all seriousness djakadam wasnt ready for it at that stage and has improved a bundle since , but has hardly gone backwards since , winning a grand national and putting up other top class performances

at the prices a no brainer really or at least 8-1 is a very solid e/w bet

*many clouds has hardly gone backwards sorry

The real question is if MC wins would he go up in the handicap ratings ?

I wouldnt look for anything to beat DJAKADAM, looks to have a few pounds in hand..

THINK BOTH SMAD PLACE/OFAOLOINS BOY BOTH WILL  BEAT  IT   

FAV CERTAINLY ISNT  4/7 SHOT IN HOT RACE  IMO

I bet you both don't both beat it.

Love the fav backers. Certs lose every day, be brave you sheep.

Why be brave, why go against a horse that you think will win, dont need to have a bet either to enjoy the race.

Are you backing Tom's selections tomorrow dementia ?

Can't speak for others on this fred.  Not a cert is it, but odds on surely right.  I was responding to Norn who posted two horses that would BOTH beat Djakadam. I was merely pointing out the error of his ways and his duplicitous grammatical error. Hth.

BB ILL BE HAVN FIVER ON BOTH THEM  AND REV4CAST  JUST THINK THIS IS CRACKING CONTEST AND YES if SMAD PLACE IS BACK TO HIS HENNESSY WIN HE WILL  BE TOUGH BEAT

AND MANY CLOUDS ALSO WON HENNESSY/G NATIONAL

OFAOLOINS BOY LOOKED BACK TO HIS BEST AT NEWBURY  JUMPED GREAT  AND WON RSA AND GOOD SEE REBECCA KEEP NOEL ON

MAKES ME THINK IF  FAV WASNT RIRICI /RUBY MULLINS HE BE 7/4 SHOT AND  IF SAM WINNER CAN GET BACK TO HIS CLOSE 3RD IN LEXUS HIS FORM TIES IN CLOSE WITH FAV

SO IMO ILL LAY FAV WIN N PLACE FOR  FEW £   IN THE HOPE IN CORRECT

GOOD LUCK ALL ABOUT OPINIONS

BB I MENT BOTH FINISH IN FRONT OF THE FAV   BUT NO SWEAT  ITS CRACKING RACE AND 56000£ IS NICE POT SO IM SURE IT WILL BE WELL CONTESTED

Jan 29, 2016 -- 8:23PM, koikeeper wrote:

I wouldnt look for anything to beat DJAKADAM, looks to have a few pounds in hand..

On official rating he is 2lb better than Smad Place and 4lb better than Many Clouds.   Yet he is priced at 4/7 and the others are 7/1 and 8/1.    No wonder the bookies are in profit with people who only back favourites and never see the value.

Norn - I did understood you first time round.  I knew you meant both, when you used the both word both times for both horses in the same sentence.

i think djakadam is the most likely winner of the race but very poor value

equine - so are you laying Djakadam, or backing/dutching others?

I obviously agree with Ghost he is the likely winner but I will be laying.   Would have being more heavily if the heavy rain was not moving in tonight/tomorrow.

equine flew 29 Jan 16 21:36
Jan 29, 2016 -- 8:23PM, koikeeper wrote:

I wouldnt look for anything to beat DJAKADAM, looks to have a few pounds in hand..

On official rating he is 2lb better than Smad Place and 4lb better than Many Clouds.   Yet he is priced at 4/7 and the others are 7/1 and 8/1.    No wonder the bookies are in profit with people who only back favourites and never see the value.

Who was talking about official ratings?... its not all black and white

Far too short he should be 6-4 in my book which means good value on the others. Many Clouds is a massive price

I fully understand that Koikeeper, but what makes you think they will run so far from their current marks that they are 16 times as big in the market ?

Just my judgement/opinion..

I'll back Many Clouds - image of how strongly he stayed on to win this last year is still strong - conditions will be similar and he's 4lbs better off with Smad Place than last year.

Trainer said early in the season that they're not worried about protecting his mark as he can only carry 1lb more in the National although I s'pose it could affect the weight differential with other National contenders if his rating goes up.He did n't run that badly in the Gold Cup either although don't think he was at his best that day.

I like OFB but the stable form still worries me - Djakadam is a worthy favourite obviously but, as others have said, differential between the prices is too big based on the form book.

Fair enough, at the end of the day that is what is all comes down to... personal judgement.

It will be proper heavy ground tomorrow when the rain arrives tonight.

That is the only reason it is not a maximum lay for me.

It's a great race to watch, quite happy to have a sporting e./w on Many Clouds for a bit of fun.  The best bets tomorrow are Champagne West, Barters Hill @ Donny and Thistlecrack.

koi........you wouldn't back it at 4\7 ........would you............I see your point that you think its the best horse and I agree but its all about the price.......think he should be nearer evens than 4\7

a cracking race like so many tomm.

The offer of PP money back as a free bet if 2nd to the fav (max £25) and juicy prices for ew betting.

Ill take a chance with Ofaolains boy @ 10/1. Won the RSA and last run was very promising.

If Djakadam doesn't win this, and the trainer will have countered in the testing condition (if they actually are), he's hardly going to win the Gold Cup - do the math

Cracking race indeed. Who's going to make the running may I ask ?

Perhaps Sam Winner ?

^^

Bound to

Djakadam travelled like the best horse in the race in the Hennessy that Many Clouds won, 4 out he looked the winner, I believe from memory that he made a sketchy jump before turning in and as a young horse, his race fell apart, since that day the horse has improved massively and if that race was run on those terms tomorrow, Djakadam would win the Hennessy rather then Many Clouds.

4/7 is plenty short enough, but he is the likely winner and will no doubt be the owners only GC runner come March if as expected he sluices up tomorrow. Many Clouds won this last year, making all and dominating the field, he really jumped them ragged and it wasn't until after the last that the likes of Smad Place had a chance going up the hill, but Many Clouds was on top and wasn't pegged back. Smad Place has improved since then, getting closer in the Gold Cup, and then this season has improved a further 4 or 5lbs when landing the Hennessy and gets 4lbs tomorrow from Many Clouds who didn't improve from Gold CUp run to win the Grand National IMO. Many Clouds will take them along, but this time around Smad Place will finish in front and the likely hood is Djakadam will finish in front of them both, But I'd prefer to back Smad place at the prices e/w. Wakanda & Sam Winner will no doubt push the pace with Many Clouds, Wakanda battled on well at Ascot last time when looking like he was going to be overhauled at least 3 or 4 times in the race, this is a step up and he wont be able to fend them off.

Good trail race though, better then some of the pilar races that we've at this meeting in the last 10yrs

Smad Place got 8lbs from Many Clouds last year, just saying...

He did, But Many Clouds to me hasn't improved since this time last year, he was already at the top, Smad Place Has improved with every run since this race last year and is now at his peak

fair enough, I see it slightly differently, but would be a dull game if we all thought the same.

Just done a tissue on the race

Here it is

Djakadam  6-4
Many Clouds 10-3
Smad Place 9-2
OF Boy  14-1
Sam Win 20-1
Wakanda 25-1
TGB 50-1
Theatre 100-1

Indeed Reeseheath.

Djakadam 5/4
Smad Place 4/1
Many Clouds 7/1
Off Boy 12/1
Sam Winner 20/1
Wakanda 20/1
The Giant Bolster 33/1
Theatre 66/1

I wouldnt bet to those odds TOPMAN, but agree DJ is too short

fav likely winner-price reflects connections.

theatre guide e/w snatch  a place after all teh others have tried to keep pace+blew a gasket.

Made a decision, Wakanda it is. Has done nothing but improve and gets weight of the fav. Can he improve 15lbs ? The Smith`s obviously think so.  We will see this afternoon.

Wakanda 20/1
Charmix  7/1
Ziga Boy 8/1

EW patent, wish me luck

GL, Just cant see wakanda being anywhere near good enough.

Djackadam was 2/5 across all the bookmakers earlier in the week... now 4/5

Djakadam is a good thing

It's a shame this isn't a grade 1 race as the trainer has won every grade 1 race both here and over there in 2016 he has had a runner in. Does make you wonder why he's gone the grade 2 route with this young horse ?

Favs have a hopeless record in this.
Many Clouds looks a nailed on place bet to me.

during the week if everyone ,now seems to think the fav was a shocking price at 2 to 5 ,why wernt they all getting stuck into the rest at 7,8 to 1 ,plus,your been asked to take half those odds now,betting midweek is now a mugs game most of those at the front of the market drift to bigger prices in almost all the big saturday races

2 to 5 midweek,now 4 to 5 with money back if it loses up to £25[ as a free bet ] with skybet,when did the drift start till 2 to 5 at about 9 o clock last night

Touched evens at the off

Bit strange laughing at a faller..

What's funny ?

Confirmed what I thought.

FAV THRES TIMES TO CHELT FELL TWICE  HORSE SEEMS OK  THANK GOD   DEFF THINK THIS SMAD PLACE DOESNT GET ENUFF CREDIT

thought many clouds left with race there but wd winners smad place a much improved horse

2 great chasers main thing is Djakadam is ok and shakes the market up again.
Vautour more likely to go for Gold now?

djakadam went off in horse ambulance after rw was concerned

Fingers crossed then

well done, Topman - 1st and 2nd both ran really well but clearly Smad Place has improved a lot - his first Cheltenham win in 7 attempts I think.

Just wonder if Djakadam's fall could be a blessing in disguise with regards to the Gold Cup, the winner looked fine at the finish but a duel up the hill in those conditions might not have done either horse any favours.

Many Clouds must have a decent chance in the National again.

Let us hope there is nothing wrong with him then.

missed that - hope Djakadam is OK.

If Djakadam has gone in horse ambulance then I cannot see him running in the GC.

didn't look like a bad fall and popped straight up? just precautionary maybe? I hope he's ok! Can see a huge plunge taking place on vautour think a lot of people who took the 10-1 and bigger i think after the KG maybe left with a bet they can lay off at 3-1 maybe shorter if WM has a gd week

r5live-rr said horse had slight cut on chest , was just precautionary

gd news

That is ok then , a bit tender for a while perhaps.

I'm just trying to rack my brains on the last GC winner who fell previously?

Did Mr Mulligan fall ?

I don't recall to many so obviously not a good sign for connections in my opinion. It's a real shame because he's without doubt a good horse.

Dawn Run?

Kauto Star

Or did you mean the race prior to the GC?

Sorry prior to the GC statesman