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Ralphy Lad ..tracked leader..finishes second
Gang Warfare..raced prominently in pack..wins race
Horses out back cant get to the leaders..
hmm..
Gang Warfare..raced prominently in pack..wins race
Horses out back cant get to the leaders..
hmm..
That was a fixed ride and the jockey should be warned off for life.
I am glad I am not involving myself with this stuff. If anyone can honestly say they thought he was doing his best they need sectioning. It is just coorked in the extreme.
Thought he was just trying to knick a couple of lengths and get an easy lead but the horse didn't stay the trip.
No, that looked ill judged but some facts behind why he did what he did.
When the horse won last time out I know from hearing it directly that the trainer told the jockey that day to 'stretch the field'. He added, 'the animal barely gets 12f, so put them out of their stride and we might hang on'
The jockey that day, Paul Mulrennan, got it spot on. The horse led all the way and scrambled home. However, that was only a class 6 claimer.
Today in a class 3 handicap (class 4 in reality) it was understandable to try the same thing. But Egan got it wrong and the early pace he got out of the horse to lead before the first bend should surely have been throttled back once there. He seemed to just try to go faster though, and it was a million to one on that the horse would fall into a hole.
The stewards asked for an explanation afterwards and Egan and the trainer said they wanted to go out in front and 'get the other horses out of their comfort zone'. But Egan also said that the strong cross winds made it harder to control the horse and that the bit went through its mouth.
While I am inclined to believe Egan, I still think he made a bit of a balls-up with the ride. Going at a 6f furlong pace for a mile on a horse that struggles to stay 12f was always going to end in failure.
I understand punter's being angry here - I backed the second to place so have no axe to grind - but accusing the jockey of all sorts is immature and shows why so many people lose backing horses.
Best to just keep an eye open and see who rides the horse next and whether Egan rides for the same trainer in the near future!
When the horse won last time out I know from hearing it directly that the trainer told the jockey that day to 'stretch the field'. He added, 'the animal barely gets 12f, so put them out of their stride and we might hang on'
The jockey that day, Paul Mulrennan, got it spot on. The horse led all the way and scrambled home. However, that was only a class 6 claimer.
Today in a class 3 handicap (class 4 in reality) it was understandable to try the same thing. But Egan got it wrong and the early pace he got out of the horse to lead before the first bend should surely have been throttled back once there. He seemed to just try to go faster though, and it was a million to one on that the horse would fall into a hole.
The stewards asked for an explanation afterwards and Egan and the trainer said they wanted to go out in front and 'get the other horses out of their comfort zone'. But Egan also said that the strong cross winds made it harder to control the horse and that the bit went through its mouth.
While I am inclined to believe Egan, I still think he made a bit of a balls-up with the ride. Going at a 6f furlong pace for a mile on a horse that struggles to stay 12f was always going to end in failure.
I understand punter's being angry here - I backed the second to place so have no axe to grind - but accusing the jockey of all sorts is immature and shows why so many people lose backing horses.
Best to just keep an eye open and see who rides the horse next and whether Egan rides for the same trainer in the near future!
Evening The Knight.......John/Connor
Your post is as corrupt as the ride.
Are you saying from the last sentence that the trainer was not happy with ride?
If so then why did he not say so to the stewards?,or did you not hear that bit.
He would have been better off saying he thought it was 6F race,that ride has no defence whatsoever.
You backed the second for a place?,yet infer you heard riding instructions for its last run? How so?
Your digging yourself a hole with that post.
Your post is as corrupt as the ride.
Are you saying from the last sentence that the trainer was not happy with ride?
If so then why did he not say so to the stewards?,or did you not hear that bit.
He would have been better off saying he thought it was 6F race,that ride has no defence whatsoever.
You backed the second for a place?,yet infer you heard riding instructions for its last run? How so?
Your digging yourself a hole with that post.
The Knight
26 Jan 16 20:49
No, that looked ill judged but some facts behind why he did what he did.
When the horse won last time out I know from hearing it directly that the trainer told the jockey that day to 'stretch the field'. He added, 'the animal barely gets 12f, so put them out of their stride and we might hang on'
The jockey that day, Paul Mulrennan, got it spot on. The horse led all the way and scrambled home. However, that was only a class 6 claimer.
Today in a class 3 handicap (class 4 in reality)...
Well there are class 6 claimers and there are class 6 calimers, and in that particular one he was meeting proven Fibresand horses Masterful Act, Brassbound and Bushel on quite disadvantageous terms on the adjusted figures. Masterful Act may not be as good as he was, but it was still an ask for YFG to concede 10lb to him and the pair finished half the track clear of the others. One could argue YFG was lucky to get away with just a 2lb rise.
26 Jan 16 20:49
No, that looked ill judged but some facts behind why he did what he did.
When the horse won last time out I know from hearing it directly that the trainer told the jockey that day to 'stretch the field'. He added, 'the animal barely gets 12f, so put them out of their stride and we might hang on'
The jockey that day, Paul Mulrennan, got it spot on. The horse led all the way and scrambled home. However, that was only a class 6 claimer.
Today in a class 3 handicap (class 4 in reality)...
Well there are class 6 claimers and there are class 6 calimers, and in that particular one he was meeting proven Fibresand horses Masterful Act, Brassbound and Bushel on quite disadvantageous terms on the adjusted figures. Masterful Act may not be as good as he was, but it was still an ask for YFG to concede 10lb to him and the pair finished half the track clear of the others. One could argue YFG was lucky to get away with just a 2lb rise.
You can see the logic in it though. Theyre horse has plenty of speed, likes to go from the front. The morning fav (winner) won over 2m on his last 2 starts. Maybe go a brutal pace and be the only horse travelling by the halfway point... Obv it backfired and they looked beat at the first bend but you can see why it happened.
nocturnal,
What is it with the the John / Connor bit?
No wonder you can't judge why a ride was a balls-up if you think I am either the trainer or the jockey! I can very much assure you I am not.
Read my post properly.
The ride was a balls-up but immediately thinking the jockey was 'at it' is plain daft.
If you think the trainer was going to tell the stewards he was unhappy with the ride you know nothing about how professional people conduct themselves. They very rarely go around having a pop at one another to their relevant authorities, no matter what the profession.
As I said, seeing whether Egan rides in the near- to medium future will be the best indication of how the trainer viewed that ride yesterday.
Lastly, my friend, I knew the riding instructions for Yul Finegold LAST TIME - not this time - because I was stood very close to the trainer when he gave them and backed the horse.
So, what relevance me backing the second horse to place yesterday has I don't know. I did not want to back Yul Finegold yesterday because I won't back horses up three grades from claimers.
Please don't try to wreck a reasonable post with stupid questions.
I can also tell you that I am a full time punter who goes racing four to five times a week and see / hear these type of daft comments immediately accusing all and sundry of corrupt practise all the time. Little wonder so many punters lose.
Punters would do far better working out why things happened instead of simply pocket talking. I know what was said after the race yesterday because I simply read the BHA website, something any punter can do but very few bother with.
Through working things out for themselves, they would then start to appreciate that there is some corrupt practise but it isn't quite as obvious as you, and others, seem to believe yesterday's ride was. Nobody 'at it' would be quite as stupid to be as blatant as that.
Now, as for the hole I have apparently dug, I think you may have fallen headlong into it.
What is it with the the John / Connor bit?
No wonder you can't judge why a ride was a balls-up if you think I am either the trainer or the jockey! I can very much assure you I am not.
Read my post properly.
The ride was a balls-up but immediately thinking the jockey was 'at it' is plain daft.
If you think the trainer was going to tell the stewards he was unhappy with the ride you know nothing about how professional people conduct themselves. They very rarely go around having a pop at one another to their relevant authorities, no matter what the profession.
As I said, seeing whether Egan rides in the near- to medium future will be the best indication of how the trainer viewed that ride yesterday.
Lastly, my friend, I knew the riding instructions for Yul Finegold LAST TIME - not this time - because I was stood very close to the trainer when he gave them and backed the horse.
So, what relevance me backing the second horse to place yesterday has I don't know. I did not want to back Yul Finegold yesterday because I won't back horses up three grades from claimers.
Please don't try to wreck a reasonable post with stupid questions.
I can also tell you that I am a full time punter who goes racing four to five times a week and see / hear these type of daft comments immediately accusing all and sundry of corrupt practise all the time. Little wonder so many punters lose.
Punters would do far better working out why things happened instead of simply pocket talking. I know what was said after the race yesterday because I simply read the BHA website, something any punter can do but very few bother with.
Through working things out for themselves, they would then start to appreciate that there is some corrupt practise but it isn't quite as obvious as you, and others, seem to believe yesterday's ride was. Nobody 'at it' would be quite as stupid to be as blatant as that.
Now, as for the hole I have apparently dug, I think you may have fallen headlong into it.
Poor horse. Buffeted about by the wind. Bit slipped through it's mouth and it made a noise. Yep think we have every excuse in the book covered there.
Comparing the race he won before and yesterdays race.
He jumped off better in the claimer and the time was a tad slower. He only did enough to lead. Keeping enough left to hold on at the finish.
In comparison, yesterday's ride was poor one indeed. He was never going to get home ridden like that. Especially given the rise in class.
He certainly wasn't sent there to try and win or even place.
He was there for another reason whatever that was.
Although I wouldn't have backed it anyway.
I think it would be naïve to think that the trainer wasn't involved in the plan
He jumped off better in the claimer and the time was a tad slower. He only did enough to lead. Keeping enough left to hold on at the finish.
In comparison, yesterday's ride was poor one indeed. He was never going to get home ridden like that. Especially given the rise in class.
He certainly wasn't sent there to try and win or even place.
He was there for another reason whatever that was.
Although I wouldn't have backed it anyway.
I think it would be naïve to think that the trainer wasn't involved in the plan
Egan is a very experienced jockey, and would know what fractions to set off by heart. The fact that he rode this horse as if it was a sprint, suggests to me that it was more than an ill judged ride.
The Night I enjoyed reading your post the mitigation you submitted for the jockey is very plausible. I haven't seen
the race but there's enough there to earn him the benefit of the doubt on this occasion.
Nobody 'at it' would be quite as stupid to be as blatant as that
I'm with asparagus on this though, takes a bit of the shine from your argument, it's happened before.
the race but there's enough there to earn him the benefit of the doubt on this occasion.
Nobody 'at it' would be quite as stupid to be as blatant as that
I'm with asparagus on this though, takes a bit of the shine from your argument, it's happened before.
Analysis in the Racing Post today: "Yul Finegold wasn't best away but was soon being ridden along to get to the front, and his rider continued to press on, as though in a 6f sprint. He was cooked leaving the back straight."
Under this, they give the details of the enquiry to the ride, finishing: "The stewards noted their explanations."
By leaving it at this rather than saying, "The stewards accepted their explanations," what is that implying?
Under this, they give the details of the enquiry to the ride, finishing: "The stewards noted their explanations."
By leaving it at this rather than saying, "The stewards accepted their explanations," what is that implying?
The stewards were telling them not to make it so obvious in future.
Its simple and I said the same re a controversial ride on the flat last summer. The jockey is either a fool/a very poor jockey or he was trying to get the horse beat. Its either one or the other and anyone who tries to say anything else is even a bigger fool.
I respect what the Knight has said but Egan's ride was either just very stupid or both stupid and at it . I had no financial interest in the race and don't think I have a history of getting at jockeys but like many watched that race in total amazement.
If it helps to put yesterday's ride by Egan into context, if he had ridden any horse (be it a sprinter or otherwise) for any trainer like that during a work gallop at home, he would have been lucky to escape without being shot.
It the begs the question as to why on earth he would he employ those tactics on the racecourse, given the distance of the race? He was going at such a suicidal 6f pace, the other confirmed front runner - Ralphy Lad - could not keep up with him. (Ralphy Lad, ridden with intelligence finishes 2nd (btn 2 lengths) and Yul Finegold (9/2Jt fav) finishes 9th of 10 runners - beaten 32 lengths.
If an apprentice or a foreign jockey (French, Japanese....etc) had ridden a similar race on any British track, I have no doubt the stewards, trainers, media pundits and even this forum would be baying for blood. Egan is very lucky he wasn't riding in Hong Kong or India as he would have been reaching for his passport this morning and most likely heading for Patagonia, or somewhere equally far away, to "think about life" for 3 to 6 months.
Personally, I have always been extremely wary of the trainer. His other "go to" jockeys of the past (and present) - Hayley Turner and Liam Keniry spring to mind, have ridden extremely strange races in times gone by that simply didn't add up at the time. Lo and behold, the same horse would turn up, sooner rather than later, only to confirm one's suspicions. The great proportion of these "strange rides" invariably take place on the A/W.
Regardless of what end of the argument you position yourself, the sad fact is we are all end up ultimately as the losers in such chicanery, as all it does is corrupt the formbook.
It the begs the question as to why on earth he would he employ those tactics on the racecourse, given the distance of the race? He was going at such a suicidal 6f pace, the other confirmed front runner - Ralphy Lad - could not keep up with him. (Ralphy Lad, ridden with intelligence finishes 2nd (btn 2 lengths) and Yul Finegold (9/2Jt fav) finishes 9th of 10 runners - beaten 32 lengths.
If an apprentice or a foreign jockey (French, Japanese....etc) had ridden a similar race on any British track, I have no doubt the stewards, trainers, media pundits and even this forum would be baying for blood. Egan is very lucky he wasn't riding in Hong Kong or India as he would have been reaching for his passport this morning and most likely heading for Patagonia, or somewhere equally far away, to "think about life" for 3 to 6 months.
Personally, I have always been extremely wary of the trainer. His other "go to" jockeys of the past (and present) - Hayley Turner and Liam Keniry spring to mind, have ridden extremely strange races in times gone by that simply didn't add up at the time. Lo and behold, the same horse would turn up, sooner rather than later, only to confirm one's suspicions. The great proportion of these "strange rides" invariably take place on the A/W.
Regardless of what end of the argument you position yourself, the sad fact is we are all end up ultimately as the losers in such chicanery, as all it does is corrupt the formbook.
"Connors" are always wrong uns. FACT. You will find this in any list of naughty boys names in schools.
The Knight....Thanks reply
Fact 1...Not involved betting wise with the horse in question.
Fact 2...Probably the 3rd post on this forum in 10 yrs,not the profile of a serial loser/pocket talker that you have labelled everyone, who has expressed an opinion.
The rider rode in the 1-00 at Lingfield today,same stable.
That,my friend,suggests the trainer is happy to again employ this rider.
Unlike your post,I will take you for your word,as a professional punter you of all people should know there is level of riding that must appear acceptable,he was way below that yesterday.
Fact 1...Not involved betting wise with the horse in question.
Fact 2...Probably the 3rd post on this forum in 10 yrs,not the profile of a serial loser/pocket talker that you have labelled everyone, who has expressed an opinion.
The rider rode in the 1-00 at Lingfield today,same stable.
That,my friend,suggests the trainer is happy to again employ this rider.
Unlike your post,I will take you for your word,as a professional punter you of all people should know there is level of riding that must appear acceptable,he was way below that yesterday.
He is a notorious coork. Comes back riding with a clean slate and STILL manages to ply his nasty little trade. That ride yesterday was insane by anyones standards. All I would say is that it was bad on all counts. If not wanted, then surely a better job of concealment would have been the answer. Then again, don a white coat and you can walk into any hospital and play doctors! Brazen!
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