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Havlin- time to pack it in
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suppose spencer wasn on best one there lol helps to have a jockey that can steer too
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So why didn't Havlin get the Gosden job? Why did McManus want Geraghty? Why did Coolmore want Moore? Why did Vincent O'Brien want Pigott? I could go on. You should've told these people that they should be going fir 'lesser' jockeys as it makes little difference.
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Ima?
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11kv 08 Feb 16 17:16 They both texted me but I lost your no....... In fairness, not many people have got my number......some just think that they have.  MJK 08 Feb 16 17:45 So why didn't Havlin get the Gosden job? Why did McManus want Geraghty? Why did Coolmore want Moore? Why did Vincent O'Brien want Pigott? I could go on. You should've told these people that they should be going fir 'lesser' jockeys as it makes little difference. Because nobody is saying he is the best jockey out there and Gosden obviously puts Dettori ahead of Havlin. Has McManus sold all of his horses now then after McCoy has retired? Did Coolmore walk away from the game after Kinane, Fallon and Murtagh no longer rode for them? Did Vincent O'Brien give up the game once his association ended with Piggott? No of course none of that happened, but as I keep saying but you keep misinterpreting, my claim was there's very little in it at the top end of the scale with jockeys (the bold is to help it register) so when you replace McCoy with Geraghty, Piggott with Eddery, or Kinane with Fallon (albeit Spencer in between) and then he's replaced by Murtagh, you're essentially getting a like for like replacement or at the very least minimal difference ability wise, because once again as I've said on numerous occasions, it's far more about the horses than the jockeys. Now that's not to say based on his achievements in the sport that I'm suggesting Havlin is in the very top bracket of jockeys, but he's more than capable and competent if the horse is good enough and I don't doubt for one minute that he would still have won on many of the top Gosden horses that the likes of Buick and Dettori have won on if getting the chance to. In fact he has when he did get the chances. When Benny The Dip won the Derby, in its two previous races Dettori and Peslier had ridden the horse in the Thresher/Sandown Derby trial and the Dante but they were both claimed by Godolphin/Sheikh Mo and so Gosden considered Tony Garth who rode the horse the first two times and won its maiden on it, Gary Hind who had ridden a few Group race winners for Gosden and Willie Ryan who didn't really have a connection to the yard. The horse's American owner basically asked Gosden which of them had ridden in the Derby more previously and on that basis went with Ryan. Not only did Ryan win on it but beat Pat Eddery, one of the all-time greats by a short head in a race that also contained as mentioned, Dettori and Peslier as well as Ray Cochrane, Kieren Fallon, Michael Hills, Mick Kinane and John Reid who by my reckoning as of today have 15 Derby winners between them. Would I personally put Ryan up there with most of those other names? No I wouldn't and at best would say he was on a par with Michael Hills and Havlin is closer to their group that the rest of the names, but if someone else had got the ride instead of Ryan then no doubt anyone claiming he was good enough to ride a Derby winner just as long as the horse was good enough, would have been ridiculed for saying so, just as nobody today really thinks Garth or Hind could have ridden a Derby winner based on that they never did, yet how many rides if any did they have in the race? |
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Another masterclass from ace pilot Rab
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Oh dear...
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ProSniper, best horse won, whats ya problem?
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Top marks Rab! No pace on and doesn't have the initiative to send it on.
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HowTheMightyFall, Havlin is the problem. Can anyone give me his entire record on odds-on to 2/1?
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I'd say it makes for some reading
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Outrode George Fecking Baker there no problem.
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Pechora, well done Rab.Good enough for Gosden says it all.
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well done rab
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snap the pocket talking seether
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poor snap ,everyone knows hes a muppet...........snap will now log in as THE WASP to try and build himself up
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Full result 1st 12 My Time 66/1 2nd 4 Tasaaboq 9/2 3rd 2 Quadriga (IRE) 9/4 f Winning Trainer M Mullineaux Winning Jockey R Havlin |
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I thought today was the day for Tasaaboq.
Once again my moral victory won't have me feasting. |
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08 Mar 16 / 14:11 Single (EW) 1 4:00 Southwell – Win My Time @ 66/1 GP (Price taken @ 50/1) 3@1/4 Won £40.00 £1690.00 O/0492987/0003519/F
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Some of you might want to try a slice of bread to wipe that egg away.
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Another classic thread on betfair!!
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Only 45.54 betfair SP this time.
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Yesterday it was 106.47.
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A couple of big priced winners hardly makes up for pathetic displays on much better fancied horses. And who is collecting on these "apparent" no-hopers when they go in at such big prices?
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How much did you lose on those supposedly better horses,from what I remember a lot of them were overbet slowboats shortened by the lemmings..
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I didn't/can't lose a penny on a Havlin ridden horse..since I banned myself from backing anything he sits on. Given he rides for a decent stable it means I lose out on a fair few winners(steering jobs)..but it also means I miss out on having to watch an incredibly weak pilot stuffing up X amount of probable/certain winners...
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Most of the short one's mentioned on here have been nothing to do with the rides,he's simply been riding poor horses with inflated ratings and no decent speedfigures which have been overbet.Whether he's good bad or indifferent a large % of horses he rides on the aw are overbet with absolutely no justification of prices,so that's due to punters lack of knowledge not necessarily his poor riding.It's also very easy to prove,i could pick holes in nearly all of these recent shorties he's been beaten on and I would guess that hardly any of them have a decent speedfigure,infact I would I'm almost 100% sure because I would've noted them if they had.His most conspicuous ride was probably the one not even mentioned on here over 5fs at swell,but that's a different story..
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So it's not just a case of the 66]1 shot was good enough and the 100 losers weren't then? When I put up the result of a 33/1 winner Havlin had earlier in the thread was it you MJK saying the horse was good enough and so that's why he won on it?
Gosden has had one winner from his last seven runners and that was ridden by Havlin. Four different jockeys have been beaten on the others and I would also suggest that if other jockeys had ridden some of the Crisford horses recently too that they would also have been beaten on them (in fact Ryan Moore rode one and he was) because they just weren't good enough. Surely if Havlin was that bad then there would be no chance at all of him riding 25/1, 33/1 and 66/1 winners like he has recently. Plus I'll go out on a limb here and suggest no jockey gives horses 100 poor rides and if they did, then they wouldn't be getting the rides that they do. |
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SNAP ITS TIME YOU PACKED IT IN TIPPING 2/11 LOSERS
Ben Button snap crackle and pop snap crackle and pop 13 Mar 16 09:01 Joined: 09 Dec 09 | Topic/replies: 3,158 | Blogger: snap crackle and pop's blog 3.10 Limerick. Long time since Phil has had a 13/8 shot of any description running in a race in Ireland. But expect him to be in the winners enclosure today with this lad. His run in Cork behind Moylisha Tim would more than suffice here. Anyone who hasn't got the Chelt ex's, this is as good an opportunity as any |
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Oh dear...
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Oh dear...
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Oh dear...
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Meaning what exactly?
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Another steering job win for Rab. Even Ann Stokell - minus 1 arm and leg would have won on that.
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