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themightymac
14 Dec 15 03:04
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..... Greatest chaser not to have won the Gold Cup?  Discuss.

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Report Lee Ho Fooks December 14, 2015 7:22 AM GMT
What is there to discuss? Pendil was, end of thread.
Report saxon farm December 14, 2015 7:50 AM GMT
Wayward Lad pour moi.
Report richgit December 14, 2015 8:35 AM GMT
Yes, Fred Winter had a wonderful bunch of horses for several years......ones that spring to mind are indeed,   Pendil, Bula, Lanzarote, Comedy of Errors, Brown Chamberlain, Fifty Dollars More, and many more.
Funny thing for me though is that I never sort of "bonded" with any of the Lambourn horses in the way I felt real attachment to the great Northern horses of the time.
We recently discussed the Michael Dickinson stable, but also I still remember with great affection the Northern horses like... Eckbalco..Sea Pigeon, Night Nurse, Little Owl, Jodami ...etc.
Strange really because I'm not really a bona fide  Northerner .
Anyone feel the same?
Report Nightfly December 14, 2015 9:02 AM GMT
Yes Wayward Lad would give Pendil a run for his money...and although we know he didnt truly stay i want to put in One Man
Report ged December 14, 2015 9:16 AM GMT
Unlucky in 2 Gold Cups - edged out by the Dikler in one, brought down in another, though in truth, he possibly didn't quite get the 3m2f at Cheltenham - perhaps like Wayward Lad. But, but for those 2 Gold Cup defeats, he would have won his first 20 races over fences. He was the best jumper of a fence I've seen, in that he seemed to be pretty much foot perfect at every fence - not extravagant - just spot on. 'That' picture, taken by Ed Byrne, was reproduced on another thread by Greg Gory, I think, so he must have it in his photo library somehow.
Report knot in wood December 14, 2015 9:25 AM GMT
comedy of errors- fred rimell.
Report ged December 14, 2015 9:27 AM GMT
Pendil won the Massey-Ferguson under 12-7, so it's not as if he didn't handle Cheltenham. That's a record for the race (that'll never be broken). Flyingbolt won it under 12-6. Arkle failed under 12-10 (a week after winning the Hennessy under 12-7).
Report Dr Crippen December 14, 2015 10:03 AM GMT
Pendil didn't get 3m 2f at Cheltenham?

Not according to Pitman.
Report mandarin December 14, 2015 10:03 AM GMT
I was Cheltenham festival '74 to watch Pendil win the Gold Cup, sadly not to be....felt numb after that race. Agree with the OP!
Report Dr Crippen December 14, 2015 10:07 AM GMT
Pedil was in front too early when the Dikler beat him.
The Dikler caught him napping.
Report sixtwosix December 14, 2015 12:18 PM GMT
Pendil was always described as the best horse not to win a Gold Cup ,until Wayward Lad entered the argument.

Wayward Lad would have a Gold Cup victory if all the horses carried the same weight in 1986 , but for some bizarre reason he had to give weight to the victor .....not my idea of a championship race.

It could also be argued that Tied Cottage is the best chaser not to win the Gold Cup ,following his 1980 disqualification alongside a last fence fall and 3rd place.

Imo Bula is the best chaser not to win a Gold Cup , the mudbath of 1975 allowing the plodder Ten Up to beat the legendary Bula.
Report cyclops December 14, 2015 1:16 PM GMT
You could say "best chaser not to win the Gold Cup that ran in it" but you'd be hard pressed to compare him with Flyingbolt, who didn't.
Fulke Walwyn always maintained The Dikler should have won by 5 lengths in 73, having tried to go up Charile Potheen's inside two out, getting checked, losing momentum and finding himself adrift of Pendil. As good a quality Gold Cup as you'll see, run in a record time.
Report themightymac December 14, 2015 4:39 PM GMT
Fred Winter did indeed train some wonderful horses richgit but imo the second best he trained next to Pendil was Killiney. He was some horse over shorter distances. Sad day when he fell and was tragically killed. Sad

Fred Rimell and Fulke Walwyn too trained some brilliant jumpers. It seems that the trainers and the horses were much better back then but then again, maybe it`s just nostalgia as one gets old.
Report Cork Langer December 14, 2015 4:56 PM GMT
Nostalgia is without doubt part of it, that and the fact that we did not have race by race television coverage each and every day of the week.
The odd week day meetings were greatly anticipated and recorded no doubt by many who were working, to view at leisure in the evening, trying to avoid finding out the results was the hardest part, similar to the Likely Lads doing their utmost to hearing a football result before the screening of MOTD...!
Report portmanpark December 14, 2015 5:01 PM GMT
surely its got to be FLYINGBOLT
Report portmanpark December 14, 2015 5:02 PM GMT
same stable as arkle........never had the chance but closest rated to the great arkle
Report backlog December 14, 2015 5:04 PM GMT
Bob Turnell had some superstars as well. Birds Nest, Tree Tangle, Summerville
Report portmanpark December 14, 2015 5:09 PM GMT
loved birds nest and tree tangle.............remember at the same time there was an horse I liked dramatist..........also at about the same time a yank horse called grand canyon
Report themightymac December 14, 2015 5:11 PM GMT
He did indeed. Beacon Light and Secret Ballot being 2 of my favourites.

Bird`s Nest would be a leading contender as the best hurdler not to win the Champion.
Report themightymac December 14, 2015 5:13 PM GMT
Grand Canyon was a wonderful horse but he was a NZ bred and trained by Derek Kent in England. Think you are mixed up because he won the Colonial Cup in USA.
Report Cork Langer December 14, 2015 5:14 PM GMT
Dramatist was with Fulke Walwyn, Grand Canyon put Derek Kent in the limelight for a while, another he trained was Navigation, a smashing little trier with the heart of a lion, always felt sorry for Peter Haynes who rode GC in all its early races only to lose the ride to John Francome when they went to the States.
Report portmanpark December 14, 2015 5:14 PM GMT
themighty.........yes you are right........a NZ horse..........was he a tearaway front runner
Report themightymac December 14, 2015 5:23 PM GMT
Sea Pigeon was a magnificent animal. Lot of people don`t realise it or remember but he did run over fences but just the once I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eneMHaB6fxU
Report themightymac December 14, 2015 5:24 PM GMT
Pendil 1973 Gold Cup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXdDWuOKVPE
Report portmanpark December 14, 2015 5:27 PM GMT
anyone remember that race where you had to qualify by running in one of a series of races where the final was run at Chepstow...seem to remember  very promising winning the final one year
Report themightymac December 14, 2015 5:32 PM GMT
This is a great race, 1973 Hennessy

Some great old favourites running Red Rum, Red Candle, Spanish Steps, Cuckholder, Charlie Potheen, Anthony Watt and more. Grin
Report themightymac December 14, 2015 5:33 PM GMT
Was it the Saddle Of Gold pp?
Report portmanpark December 14, 2015 5:36 PM GMT
no....I may look stupid here but was it the panama cigar final?????????.......but I might just have made that up
Report sixtwosix December 14, 2015 5:36 PM GMT
I would suggest Browne's Gazette as a leading contender for the best hurdler not to win the Champion.

He beat See You Then by a country mile prior to the big race.
Report portmanpark December 14, 2015 5:40 PM GMT
I remember very promising winning as I went up the betting shop to do it in a win\ win \ double with desert hero in the imperial cup but changed my mind and did half free instead of very promisingSadSad
Report portmanpark December 14, 2015 5:42 PM GMT
six.........was stopped by the needle man........think youre right
Report themightymac December 14, 2015 5:42 PM GMT
I forgot to put link in for 73 Hennessy Blush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwft15X831Q
Report ged December 14, 2015 5:44 PM GMT
Sempervivum was a good'un. As a 10yo, he was top weight in the Schweppes Hurdle - trying to give 3 lbs to 5yo Persian War, who'd win the Champion Hurdle the following month, and the next 2. he split Salmon Spray and Flyingbolt - talking of which - what would the latter have done if he hadn't won the Champion Chase the day before, or had a bit of recent practice over hurdles?
Report themightymac December 14, 2015 5:44 PM GMT
626 you have a valid argument considering what happened.
Report portmanpark December 14, 2015 5:51 PM GMT
themightymac.............we know now he stopped the horse but how did he benefit financially ....there were no exchanges around at the time
Report 3 valleys December 14, 2015 6:45 PM GMT
PP No but there were Brown Paper Bags

Artifice was a favourite of mine
Report portmanpark December 14, 2015 7:15 PM GMT
brown bag from who though.........bookie??
Report terry mccann December 14, 2015 7:31 PM GMT
"springheeled" pendil still remembered 40yrs on,thats niceHappy
Report Andrew in Sweden December 14, 2015 7:34 PM GMT
Pendil was indeed one of the greats, but one horse not mentioned on this thread (not that I can see anyway) is Captain Christy. Not one of the better jumpers, but when he was on song, he was awesome. Beat Bula twice, once over hurdles, and again over a chase course, no less than 30L in the KG, a race he won twice beating Pendil. Also won the Cheltenham Gold cup beating The Dikler.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giU67CO04v0
Report Andrew in Sweden December 14, 2015 7:36 PM GMT
1974 Gold Cup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRFUBTvmu3Y
Report 3 valleys December 14, 2015 7:40 PM GMT
PP Was Uncle Ernie involved ?
Report bigmart December 14, 2015 8:39 PM GMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXdDWuOKVPE
Report bigmart December 14, 2015 8:41 PM GMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw8JWtM_KL0
Report geordie1956 December 14, 2015 9:24 PM GMT
Its brilliant to remember some of the names from the past - anyone remember some of these - Rondetto, The Fosser, The Pilgarlic - often ran in the Grand National back in the 70s - the names tripped off the tongue of the great vice of Michael O'Hehir - great memories
Report bigmart December 14, 2015 9:45 PM GMT
loved a horse called noddys ride
Report masked magician December 14, 2015 9:48 PM GMT
Killiney was Fred Winters apple of his eye.
Could have been the best
Report bigmart December 14, 2015 9:54 PM GMT
best chaser i seen was pearly man i seen it carry 12 stone 7lb on heavy ground against 4 previous winners giving weight rem it had a big white blaze what a beast that's before weights were retricted down best 2 miler ever in my opinion !
Report bigmart December 14, 2015 9:55 PM GMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahIDcfXePs8
Report bigmart December 14, 2015 10:00 PM GMT
and they say pearlyman was a stone better horse on soft scarie how far it beat the mighty dessie on not his best ground Surprised
Report themightymac December 14, 2015 10:51 PM GMT
The Mighty Mac quite good. Jumping an open ditch was a sight to behold.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet December 15, 2015 1:06 PM GMT
Any footage TMM?
Report never give up December 15, 2015 1:08 PM GMT

Dec 15, 2015 -- 7:06AM, Mikael D'Haguenet wrote:


Any footage TMM?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IauQQ4Z1kzY

Report Mikael D'Haguenet December 15, 2015 1:25 PM GMT
Many thanks NGU. Not seen you much since TSO left us!
Report never give up December 15, 2015 1:35 PM GMT

Dec 15, 2015 -- 7:25AM, Mikael D'Haguenet wrote:


Many thanks NGU. Not seen you much since TSO left us!


still here on the lay thread mainly

Report themightymac December 15, 2015 6:56 PM GMT
Cheers Mikael. Just seen your post but NGU has gave you the link. Think that`s the only race available. I have all these old races on VHS Happy
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