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roida 05 Dec 15 16:18
the second would probably have gone on to win by several lengths if he hadn't been completely stopped at the last. it was 1L down a fur out..was still 1L down at the line. You are having a laugh..looks like you dont have any race reading skills as I see you are sitting on the fence regarding wether the 2nd would have won or not... it would have been 1L up after the last had it not been broadsided, it did well to get as close as it did having had the stuffing knocked out of it. |
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Think the Stewards wanted to continue the love affair with Gary Moore and Sire de Grugy owners just like Channe 4. Surely igf that didnt warrant being thrown out what does. If you look at the line 2nd was inching closer in my eyes and should have been awarded race!
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Phuck me!
Even Roida is refusing to listen. CONTACT AT AN OBSTACLE IS IGNORED WHEN STEWARDS ARE REVIEWING INTERFERENCE. How many phucking times do I have to spell it out, ffs! Good night. |
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Not doubting you loper but can you just copy and paste that part of the rules? I genuinely can't find it.
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If I was being pedantic I'd say forcing a rival off the course approaching an obstacle would be disqualification and contact at an obstacle. Dunwoody and Maguire springs to mind.
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It's not written in the rules, The Fear.
The Stipendiary Steward will guide the stewards panel toward that interpretation. Having spent 20 years on the racecourse on a near daily basis (until the on course markets went tits up) I have been given that info as an explanation when I have questioned the result of past inquiries. |
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Must go, a lady awaits!
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I backed the winner, simply because I thought it was a big price, stable in form and I didnt fancy the fav. On the approach to the last I was preparing for a neck and neck war to the line. Blood pressure job! That pressure dissipated when SDG ran into the runner up. Did it affect the result? I think it affected the distance between the two at the line. Would I have thrown a wedge at any on the approach to the last? No chance. Did SDG deserve to win? It certainly didn't deserve to lose. Did Special Tiara deserve to lose? Probably not. Conclusion? One has to accept that on this occasion the first past the post collects. This is jump racing, and sometimes these things happen. I still dislike all concerned with the winner though!
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The Stewards held an enquiry under Rule (B)11.6 into possible interference at the final fence. Having
heard their evidence and viewed recordings of the race they found that the winner, SIRE DE GRUGY (FR), ridden by Jamie Moore, had interfered with SPECIAL TIARA, placed second, ridden by Noel Fehily. They found that the interference was accidental, in that the gelding had jumped left-handed and the rider was unable to prevent him from doing so. They considered that the interference had not improved SIRE DE GRUGY (FR)’s placing as, although the interference cost SPECIAL TIARA some ground and momentum, the winner appeared to be holding him comfortably on the run to the line. The Stewards ordered the placings to remain unaltered. |
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all correct as far as the rules go,but what they should be asking is if the 2nd hadnt been broadside at the last do you think he,d have been a length down at the line
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Thank you, loper
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so why are more jockeys not jumping across a rival thats travelling well and coming to challenge at the last ?
what a thick shower they are ,should be standard procedure ,jump across your rival at the last ....every fckn time and without fail ,they cant do anything about it . |
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Poor Special Tiara was practically turned sideways by the interference. I'm sure it was accidental but theres no way the STs connections should lose out as it must have cost the poor horse at least 3 lengths. Perhaps in circumstances of serious doubt (as in the St Leger too) the stewards should be able to call a dead heat. Prestige and prize money shared and punters get relief too.
Poor Henry DB - I feel for him as I remember him getting the thin end of the wedges in a stewards at the Cheltenham festival a few years ago. He bore that with great dignity as I'm sure he did todays events - hope it doesnt stop him bringing his horses over. |
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When I watched live, I said to myself, jockey aimed left on purpose, to hamper the other horse, that is my opinion, it should have been chucked out and the jockey given a lengthy ban, AP used to do it a lot
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Horse did it two out as well though.
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100% not on any wind up or i wudnt have stated it wont get disq...or is that difficult to decipher?
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I have to say I backed Special Tiara and watched it with my family who couldnt believe what happened and that he would have won given an uninterupted run to the line..
the stewards explanation that they didnt reverse the places because they ruled "that the interference had not improved SIRE DE GRUGY (FR)’s placing as, although the interference cost SPECIAL TIARA some ground and momentum, the winner appeared to be holding him comfortably on the run to the line" kind of misses the point in that if he hadnt been interfered with he wouldnt have lost momentum and would have been closing all the way to the line. In addition the jockey gets a whip ban for overuse. Enough said. |
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THE STEWARDS HAVE TO BE CERTAIN THE 2ND WOULD HAVE WON...
impossible to say that. |
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Have to agree.
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so why are more jockeys not jumping across a rival thats travelling well and coming to challenge at the last ? what a thick shower they are ,should be standard procedure ,jump across your rival at the last ....every fckn time and without fail ,they cant do anything about it . You obviously don't watch much racing. When they hit the front national hunt jockeys regularly edge across a to intimidate a horse in 2nd place both before the last and afterwards. McCoy was a great exponent of this. I'm sure Moore didn't intend to broadside the second like that but I'm equally sure he knew his horse would jump left which would not help the second. |
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ah right ....so intent is established ....thank you ....no more questions
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Special Tiara didn't have a hope cos he's irish - probably the same lot who threw out Cahervillahow .
Think the interference was wholly accidental - but think Tiara's momentum was going to carry him throught to win. Also think these rules that operate at the minute are edging us closer to an incident that leaves either a jockey and or horse seriously injured on the run in. It will be openly seen by all there and it will undoubtedly seriously damage racings image. That's my two cents anayways |
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Mayoman I agree
imo the current rules are flawed and are encouraging a "win at ALL costs mentality" amongst riders unfortunately it is probably going to result in a nasty incident(s) before the rules are reviewed |
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' but think Tiara's momentum was going to carry him throught to win.'
not certain to win then? so decision was correct. |
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Not sure the stewards have to be certain the 2nd would have won.
54.5.2 the Stewards are satisfied that the interference improved the placing of the horse in relation to the horse or horses with which it interfered, satisified is not certain |
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No one can be certain of what would have happened,it is only conjecture after. My opinion is Special Tiara would be about 85% the probable winner if no interference.
I tend to agree with previous posters with the double results and bookmakers,i think the result would have been changed in Ireland. Poor call for racing and fair play overall. |
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In Ireland the second gets the benefit, in UK winner gets the benefit.
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Like it or not.
THE RULES WERE CORRECTLY APPLIED |
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Mightn't have been a foregone conclusion in Ireland but likely.
Accepting that the interference was accidental it still almost certainly cost the runner up, no wonder Henry de was so disappointed,it just isn't right. |
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Fear get real the rules in Ireland are never ever applied unless a top stable are involved
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