Blackbarn, have a feeling that the colours for Peter Brant were something along the lines of Dark green, light green hoop and armlets. Seem to recall Seymour Hicks running in the Mecca Scottish Classic at Ayr in July of that year (not totally sure if I got the race title spot on).

Oh forgot, that race at Ayr was the Mecca Bookmakers Scottish Derby, where he was an unlucky and fast finishing second to Dazari.

Remember being all over Jalmood for the Derby...went down to Epsom...when I saw Golden Fleece in the parade ring I knew I was beat...shocked that he finished only 13th though,I think....However he made no mistake in the Scottish Derby...

Don't recall him doing so Lead On but that is only from memory, no form book to hand.

blackbarn - Prenn`s colours were light green hoops and cap.

Regards Morse Code, correct it was the Budgett colours and not Halifax, although I think it was owned by Arthur Budgett`s brother whose name escapes me.

Thanks mac.  I will check the light green and black combo.  Re cost, probably not a lot, particularly as Emerald Green and Black in the precise Prenn format is currently available for registration.

Nice thread,i remember the 79 November hcp as though it was yesterday,a real gut wrencher at the time.The horse in question was Deep River trained by Ian walker,a horse I followed and knew well,basically a poor mans Sea Pigeon but a very decent handicapper in his own right,he like Sea Pigeon needed holding up for a late run but it was pretty devastating in his right grade.
Anyhow as a young carefree punter there were loads of ups and downs in those days and I was well behind the 8 ball at the time but saw Deep River was entered in the nov hcp and decided to go for it to get out of trouble,cadged a 2000/240 off Leslie Steele the night before in a Leeds night club! and had £50 on in cash on the dayin an office as didn't go to Donny and watched it with a mate on telly,very heavy ground that day but Deep River under Pat Eddery(who knew the horse well)absolutely sauntered to the front over 2 out and effortlessly went 2or 3 lengths clear,my mate was saying "well done you've done it etc" but I was screaming no he's come too soon,the last 2 furlongs seemed like an eternity and sure enough Morse Code came out of the clouds under Paul Cook and nailed him in the last 50 yards.
Seem to remember Cook getting loads of praise for his ride but it was Eddery who rarely made a mistake who absolutely fecked up that day,we all have those days but along with Jonjo doing exactly the same on Sea Pigeon 6 months before this day will go down as just about my frustrating ever!

Ribero1,am I correct in remembering that Morse Code was bet heavily before the off?Maybe I'm wrong 'cos I'd assumed it was Willie Carson up..forgot about Paul Cook.That season's Coronation Stakes is my abiding memory of Paul Cook..I'd backed Harry Wragg's Buz Kashi @33/1...won the race beating the 1000G winner...can't remember exactly what she did wrong but stewards threw her out in favour of One in a Million...result would have probably stood these days.Always liked Paul Cook as a jockey.

lead on - It was deemed careless riding by Paul Cook through interference with a beaten horse at the 2 furlong marker. Under the old Rule 153, this meant that Buz Kashi had to be disqualified and placed last.  Buzz Kashi of course beat One in a Million entirely on merit and the latter had a clear run through the race. Correct decision under the rules at that time but you wuz robbed

Re Morse Code - doesn't look as though he was particularly laid out for the Nov. Hcap. as he had won his two previous starts before the race; He just seemed to improve significantly as his 4 year old season progressed (J Dunlop).  He did not run at 2, won just a maiden and a poor handicap at 3, then went politely bananas at 4 winning four of his last six runs culminating in the November Handicap.

Thanks blackbarn

themightymac - I have brought up a thread on this subject from 2011.  Haven't read through it all but he definitely trained flat horses as well.  His Ocean King won the 74 Cesarewich.

I think Ballyhot who ran Brigadier Gerard to 1/2 length might have been one of his better ones.

Westbury Stakes. I think it was the Brigadier's seasonal debut as a 4yo.

What other trainers had horses for Jim Joel apart from Murless and Cecil? Same time zone 1970s. Turnell over the jumps obviously, but I can`t remember the others. There was one in particular whose name is on the tip of my tongue but just can`t recall his name from my fading memory banks. He trained some useful stayers bit I can`t mind the horses names.

Did Ryan Jarvis train any for Joel? or possibly Thompson Jones who at one time was Joels brother inlaw.

This is where it gets tricky. Harry Thompson Jones was married to Solna, daughter of Stanhope Joel who was Jim Joel`s brother. So I think HTJ was Jim Joel`s niece by marriage and son in law of Stanhope Joel whom he definitely trained horses for. Alverton was owned by the Snailwell Stud which was owned by Stanhope Joel`s wife, I think.

We might be getting somewhere mac.....

From Picture Play, Mr Joel developed a family which churned out high-class winners for him generation by generation. Mr Joel owned Sefton Lodge in Newmarket’s Bury Road and owned many, many winners sent out from that lovely property, trained by the former champion National Hunt jockey Ted Leader (whose numerous stars for Joel included Picture Play’s terrific grand-daughter WEST SIDE STORY, winner of the Yorkshire Oaks in 1962 after having been placed in both the 1,000 Guineas and Oaks) and subsequently Tom Waugh. However, in the 1960s he also began to patronise the Warren Place stable then under the control of Sir Noel Murless. Among the first batch of horses which Murless received was ROYAL PALACE, a great-grandson of Picture Play. He proved a true star, winning the 2,000 Guineas and Derby in 1967 under the great Australian rider George Moore who spent that one season in England as Murless’ jockey. The following year Royal Palace proved himself a champion four-year-old, ridden by the young Scottish rider Sandy Barclay (who had been appointed to the position of stable jockey after Moore’s departure and who partnered Mr Joel’s CONNAUGHT into second place behind SIR IVOR in that year’s Derby). Royal Palace’s dam CRYSTAL PALACE subsequently bred for Mr Joel the Royal Ascot winners PRINCE CONSORT and SELHURST.

Another question I meant to ask you blackbarn. I noticed a book for sale, which I`m sure you know about and probably have, the B & H book of owners colours. The sample pages shows the colours but I can`t see the relevant owners names next to them. I was going to buy it but no use if it doesn`t list owners names next to the colours. Can you help clear up the matter and confirm if this is so? Thanks

Thanks onlooker. I thought so, Must just be a bad scan of the book.