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...... .... Black, Green Hooped Sleeves and Cap? Are they still about and if so who has them now? Blackbarn will know.
A very good Tennis and Table Tennis player (DP that is, not Blackbarn) who reached the Wimbledon Mixed Doubles Final and Mens Doubles Semis. He was a very succesful businessman who made his fortune in electronics. John Winter was his trainer and Balidar, winner of the Prix de l`Abbaye de Longchamp was arguably his best ever horse. Riboreen, winner of the Lingfield Oaks Trial was a personal favourite but he owned a lot of decent horses over the years until his death in 1991 aged 87.
Gypsy Castle was another favourite and I remember Lester carrying him over the line to win as only Piggott could do.
Anybody remember others that carried his famous silks?
A very good Tennis and Table Tennis player (DP that is, not Blackbarn) who reached the Wimbledon Mixed Doubles Final and Mens Doubles Semis. He was a very succesful businessman who made his fortune in electronics. John Winter was his trainer and Balidar, winner of the Prix de l`Abbaye de Longchamp was arguably his best ever horse. Riboreen, winner of the Lingfield Oaks Trial was a personal favourite but he owned a lot of decent horses over the years until his death in 1991 aged 87.
Gypsy Castle was another favourite and I remember Lester carrying him over the line to win as only Piggott could do.
Anybody remember others that carried his famous silks?
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John Dunlop trained for him as well,I think
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I was about to say "Seymour Hicks" but he wasn't
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I can only remember John Winter training for him lead on, can u remember any horses?
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Memory can play
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it sure can
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Memory can play tricks but seem to remember Beau Reef(Dunlop) and Vincent(Jeremy Hindley) for a start
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laptop can play tricks too
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Vincent, I remember him well, now you have reminded me. Very decent horse.
Did he have any hurdlers? I think he did but not sure. Did Riboreen run in the Oaks (71 or 72) and if so, where did it finish? Brian Taylor was John Winter`s jockey at the time. |
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I started getting interested in racing/betting around 1978..the year Shirley Heights won the Derby...so always kept a eye on J Dunlop's horses and associated owners and stables associated with them too.I also used to regularly get Timeform's "50 to follow" which always had a fair smattering of aforementioned stables.Off topic but I think Seymour Hicks was owned by Peter Brandt...even more off topic John Dunlop won the November Handicap in 1979(or possibly 1980) with Morse Code..backed from 14/1 to 11/2 minutes before the off...salmon pink colours but can't remember the owner...going to rummage through some old boxes to see if I've still got some of those old 50 to follow...used to give the owners and I'm sure Beau Reef was in there owned by D. Prenn
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Lord Halifax owned both Shirley Heights and Morse Code
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You mentioned hurdlers,Mac...I think Fred Winter trained for him...unless I'm getting mixed up with John....horse called Jasper rings a bell somewhere
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Ogden Phipps was another big owner with Dunlop around that time. Posse was his, the horse that Nureyef interfered with and was disqualified for in 2000 Guineas 1980. And of course Quick As Lightning which won the 1000 Guineas, Brian Rouse rode her. I bet her ante post @ 33/1
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Fred and John were brothers I think and it certainly rings a bell.
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Duke and Duchess of Norfolk were other big owners for Dunlop, with Ragstone (bit before your time) and Moon Madness of course. JD and Ron Hutchinson were a great team early 70s.
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Castle Keep one my great favourites...typical JD horse ..kept on steadily improving and you could rely on them to do that
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Sir Robin McAlpine was another big Dunlop patron. Circus Plume.
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Castle Keep was a star. Dunlop was a great trainer and a great ambassador for racing.
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I`m sure that Bedtime was owned by Lord Halifax too, but he was trained by Dick Hern. I remember seeing Bedtime and Teleprompter (Lord Derby) in the paddock at Ayr and they were 2 massive horses.
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Billion, owned by Nelson Bunker Hunt who was also a patron of John Dunlop.
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Trusted, Word of Honour, Red Ruby, Pillar Box, (one eyed) Belper, Northleach Palmerston. Who was the owner of Sea Chimes, who I think won a Coronation Cup for John Dunlop?
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Nelson Bunker Hunt owned some brilliant horses over the years, with Dahlia, Exceller and Empery springing to mind. I remember Billion. Nelson Bunker Hunt was a billionaire until he and his brother William Herbert Hunt tried but failed to corner the Silver market. His father made his fortune with Placid Oil Company and his brother Lamar Hunt owned the Kansas City Chiefs and founded the American Football League. The winners of the AFL are awarded the Lamar Hunt Trophy, named in his honour and go forward to the Super Bowl.
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Mr J Thursby owned Sea Chimes which won Coronation Cup
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Mr J Thursby owned Sea Chimes which won Coronation Cup
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Belper loved Brighton
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Thanks again TMM. Do you think that John Dunlop was an earlier Luca Cumani in that he could win a maiden and handicaps before winning Group races with a horse; in my time, a trainer of a "Group horse in a handicap". He knew what he had.
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Yes, definitely ali. He was a master trainer. He also trained Dione to win a Group 1 in France which was incidentally owned by Daniel Prenn. Early 80s, I think. Prix de l`Opera at Longchamp?
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I`m almost certain that Daniel Prenn owned a very smart hurdler at one time but name and trainer escapes me. Probably Fred Winter as lead on earlier said.
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Funny enough, I backed Dione to win the 7f fillies maiden at HQ, and I think she went on to finish 3rd in the 1000 Guineas 2 weeks later.
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John Dunlop must have took over his horses when John Winter retired, I think. Another good sprinter he owned was Balliol which won the Cork & Orrery at Royal Ascot.
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..... trained by John Winter and ridden by Brian Taylor, of course.
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goodnight ali and lead on
.... thanks for the memories. Off to watch the NFL on sky 1.30 start |
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Hi Mac, Only just seen this. Can anyone recall whether the green was Dark (al la Fahd Salman) or Emerald Green. If the latter it is currently available. If the former it is still registered, but I have yet to find out who to.
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Themightymac, in one of your posts last night you said Lord Halifax owned Morse Code who won the 1979 November H'cap but am pretty sure it was actually Arthur Budgett.
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It was me who mentioned Morse Code to Themighymac,forgotmyusername ..the salmon pink bit had stuck in my mind...the Halifax colours had light blue and chocolate,I think.I suppose that John Gosden is the nearest modern day equivalent to John Dunlop,although the handicapping structure etc. has moved on...Ed Dunlop's not too bad either,of course
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I have a black and white picture of the finish of the 79 November Handicap and the colours look very much like Budgett's and do not have the hooped cap of his Lordship. Morse Code by Morston, trained by John Dunlop.
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Seymour Hicks raced in similar colours,hence my confusion...I think he might have won the race named after Dan Prenn at the York charity day
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similar to Dan Prenn colours ,that is
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I am pretty sure that Seymour Hicks was owned by one of the Mcalpines. The race you are thinking of was the Dan Prenn Great Yorkshire Stakes but he also won the Great Voltigeur that season as well.
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Forget that Mcalpine rubbish. The owner was a Peter M Brant. Still looking for his colours.
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