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Johnny_Mustang
19 Nov 15 10:09
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Two things.

1 - Not sure you mentioned the horse's size anywhere, and

2 - Your post is an utter disgrace and you are an idiot.
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Report koikeeper November 19, 2015 10:13 AM GMT
If you want some entertainment as well as the easy money from laying the clown, watch the race and giggle your head off as it struggles to get over the first two fences, then falls at the third fence

Must be something wrong with you!
Report Diff-rent November 19, 2015 10:17 AM GMT
What a disabled person has to do with a horse jumping over a fence beats me.
Report anotheronebitesthedust November 19, 2015 10:18 AM GMT
Johnny:

1) The trainer openly admitted the horse is very tiny, read the RP comments on one of its previous races and the videos of it's previous races... it's a DWARF, small horse, or you can call it whatever you want but SIZE MATTERS over the jumps, especially in chase races. While I'm delighted to get free money from laying it, there's no excuse to send a tiny horse over fences when it has a hard time over hurdles.

2) My post is my opinion, it's totally correct and I'm a genius. This will be confirmed after the race, you'll come back and say "wow, you really know your stuff dude".
Report Diff-rent November 19, 2015 10:21 AM GMT
There's an old saying , " be carful what you wish for ".

Let's hope nothing happens to the horse today.
Report Johnny_Mustang November 19, 2015 10:21 AM GMT
You seem to be obsessed with size, or a lack of it, and maybe that's a metaphor for your own personal inadequacies.

And you're not a genius, far, far from it. Keep your vulgar and distasteful opinions to yourself in future.
Report Breedingmad November 19, 2015 10:25 AM GMT
Surprised this thread has not been reported .
Report anotheronebitesthedust November 19, 2015 10:26 AM GMT
What a disabled person has to do with a horse jumping over a fence beats me.

I'm disabled myself (mentally not physically), but I can function fine and I've got zero points on my driving licence.

Disabled people who've got issues with their legs should be protected, just as disabled horses with leg issues, nobody will disagree with this surely.

This horse does not run normally, it's obvious just as it's obvious when you see a human who's got an issue with walking, they need help, not given silly challenges like put into a chase race or being asked to climb a mountain if the disabled creature is a human.
Report Breedingmad November 19, 2015 10:29 AM GMT
Even worse if your disabled knocking physically disabled people.
Report Hound-Dog-2 November 19, 2015 10:29 AM GMT
Just 2 minor details, no meeting at Fakenham today, and Blue Buttons is a point winner, one-from-one.
Report Addictedtowinning November 19, 2015 10:30 AM GMT
I am not having this. Original poster - take a look at yourself. Reported.
Report anotheronebitesthedust November 19, 2015 10:33 AM GMT
There's an old saying , " be carful what you wish for ".

Let's hope nothing happens to the horse today.


I hope nothing happens to it either, read my post and you can clearly see that I'm annoyed with the trainer for putting this tiny little thing over the big fences.

Yeah I add some entertainment to it by calling it a dwarf, but calling a horse a dwarf is fine. Just means smaller than most other horses.

One thing that is guaranteed to happen to it is that it'll get beaten, but of course, let's hope it comes out of the race fine and the trainer comes to his senses and never sends the dwarf again over fences.
Report Sergeant Cecil November 19, 2015 10:34 AM GMT
That opening post might be the weirdest post I've ever seen on a forum in 13-years of reading them.  Utterly bizarre.
Report koikeeper November 19, 2015 10:36 AM GMT
Blue Buttons jumped well in it point...
Report Breedingmad November 19, 2015 10:36 AM GMT
Will be removed 101
Report anotheronebitesthedust November 19, 2015 10:41 AM GMT
Just 2 minor details, no meeting at Fakenham today, and Blue Buttons is a point winner, one-from-one.

Yeah you're right, WINCANTON.

But there's only ONE 3.00pm race so I'm sure most people would've found it. People do follow my suggestions, the last time I posted I gave a 5/2 winner and I insisted it would win easily and it did.

I only bother every few months these days because of jealous clowns like above... reported blah blah... you hurt my fragile little feelings boohoo... I've been here since 2001 and I'm one of the most respected long term members here... I wrote nothing wrong, simply shared valuable information on a lay that will be successful with some humour injected into my post, and I hope people lay it and enjoy the money.

I'd say good luck but luck isn't needed, just sound logic like mine.
Report anotheronebitesthedust November 19, 2015 10:44 AM GMT
Will be removed 101

Who are you exactly?

Jealousy and envy are not good.

You're a new member who joined on the 25th July 2014.

I'm one of the earliest and most established members here, joined in 2001.

I know the rules, thank you.
Report Breedingmad November 19, 2015 10:44 AM GMT
Being a Shetland Pony myself I find your post deeply upsetting.
Report anotheronebitesthedust November 19, 2015 10:49 AM GMT
That opening post might be the weirdest post I've ever seen on a forum in 13-years of reading them.  Utterly bizarre.

Well I could've just put the lay down and said "this horse is too small for fences, I think it's a decent lay", but that would've been a boring read.

I'm a creative spirit, so being boring isn't acceptable to me and it just isn't in my DNA.

But anyway, results are what matter and I've stated with confidence an odds on shot that is clearly going to lose and get beaten.

Not like I've played it safe exactly, but no need to as I'm spot on.
Report swift-tuttle November 19, 2015 10:50 AM GMT
.... and your point about koikeeper's point about the point to point?
Report Sergeant Cecil November 19, 2015 10:52 AM GMT
It's better to have someone think you're boring than to have someone think you're a complete oddball, which everyone here now does.
Report salmon spray November 19, 2015 11:03 AM GMT
Described as a good-topped mare by Timeform who say nothing else about her size. She HAS fallen twice over hurdles but has had 8 runs since the last occasion and has won 3 of them.
One of the first GN winners I remember was Team Spirit in 1964 when the fences were a lot bigger than they are now. He was just 15 hands. I should think anything over 13 hands would be sufficient to cope with the Fakenham fences on that basis.
Report Hound-Dog-2 November 19, 2015 11:09 AM GMT
" ....dwarf is fine. Just means smaller than most other horses"

I know it was only banter and that is fine, and you might be proven to be right, although she did win her only point-to-point.

Pendil wasn't very big either - although not a dwarf either !  He was more like a greyhound than the stamp of a proper good old fashioned chaser.  And if he had been born a bit later and was in the Francome era he may well have won 2 Cheltenham Gold Cups, but he was still a brilliant chaser.

Sure the trainer knows what he is doing here, and if you are right or wrong, just hope the horse comes back safe and well.
Report anotheronebitesthedust November 19, 2015 11:09 AM GMT
.... and your point about koikeeper's point about the point to point?

I don't think it has any relevance, this is a serious chase race not a soft point to point, there's a big difference.

It it's been schooled well it MIGHT get round, but it'll be well beaten because of too much effort involved in a tiny horse getting over the fences.

And as I said, the horse is often nervous over hurdles let alone fences, I spent five hours watching videos of it's past runs.

The horse has a strange running motion, and it is a very small horse. These two things are facts, anyone can verify these even if they disagree with me that it'll get beaten (it will lose, but everyone's entitled to their opinion even if their opinion is wrong).

It's better to have someone think you're boring than to have someone think you're a complete oddball, which everyone here now does.

I've made similar posts with similar humour before.

Nobody complains after they see I was spot on and predicted an outcome correctly, the thank you messages flood in.

If you get results you can be odd and eccentric without any issues in my experience.

Not just on this forum, it applies to life in general.

Being called an oddball is actually a compliment to me, it means the humour I injected into my post worked.

And not only have I provided an excellent lay, I've also expanded people's thinking.

Most people will have never heard a small horse called a dwarf before, so I'm opening up people's minds to the infinite possibilities in life.
Report anotheronebitesthedust November 19, 2015 11:17 AM GMT
Sure the trainer knows what he is doing here, and if you are right or wrong, just hope the horse comes back safe and well.

I hope the horse is safe and well too after it gets turned over at odds on, it's health is more important than some little chase race.

There are actually a lot of other reasons why it'll lose but I only listed two as I stated, I spent five hours watching videos of its previous runs and spent another four or five hours looking at other things before I was able to come to my conclusion.

It might sound like a lot of time, but when you're putting on fairly big sums and betting selectively you've got to do your homework and leave no stone unturned.
Report IDKW November 19, 2015 11:25 AM GMT
There's over £700 quids worth of easy money for you there to lay at odds of between 8/11 - 4/5.
I expect you'll snap that up forthwith?
Report Sergeant Cecil November 19, 2015 11:34 AM GMT
Being called an oddball is never a compliment, unless you are, in fact, an oddball.

Nonetheless, Blue Buttons has two opponents today, one of which is described as "only small", so that presumably can't win either.  So why would you not back Cresswell Breeze at 3s instead of laying fave at 8/11?
Report TELL DEL November 19, 2015 11:40 AM GMT
She should outclass this pair IF her jumping holds up, but fair play to you your not a guesser, you made a point (in your entertaining way) why you think her jumping could be suspect. It's all about opinions.......
Report anotheronebitesthedust November 19, 2015 11:42 AM GMT
There's over £700 quids worth of easy money for you there to lay at odds of between 8/11 - 4/5.
I expect you'll snap that up forthwith?


I made my bets before I posted the odds on dwarf which will get turned over at 3pm.

I wrote "max out all your cards, empty your bank account" for amusement purposes and I'd be amazed if anyone took it literally.

As always... people should only bet what they can afford to lose.

Strange things can happen, I mean what if the other two horses fell early on?

The dwarf could then be ridden to complete the race really slowly with no opposition and the lay would then be unsuccessful... these things happen (albeit, rarely).

That's why I always take Valium before my selections run, just in case something strange happens.
Report salmon spray November 19, 2015 12:03 PM GMT
How much Valium ( its always called Diazepam these days btw ) as a matter of interest ?
Report Johnny_Mustang November 19, 2015 12:12 PM GMT
^ Too effing much.
Report Breedingmad November 19, 2015 12:15 PM GMT
LaughLaugh
Report holywell November 19, 2015 12:32 PM GMT
When I see an extravagant post like the OP's I think 'what other usernames does he / she post under'. I'm sure of course that the OP will reply he / she is 'the one and only'. Of course the other possibility is that they are returning from a break at HMP.Mischief

If in fact you have layed the horse good luck with your lay.
Report top2rated November 19, 2015 12:38 PM GMT
I think I've found the connection.......



They look like small blue buttons.
Report salmon spray November 19, 2015 12:43 PM GMT
10mg is rather strong as well.
Report anotheronebitesthedust November 19, 2015 12:44 PM GMT
Being called an oddball is never a compliment, unless you are, in fact, an oddball.

Nonetheless, Blue Buttons has two opponents today, one of which is described as "only small", so that presumably can't win either.  So why would you not back Cresswell Breeze at 3s instead of laying fave at 8/11?


They say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

So it naturally follows that oddsballs are in the eyeballs of the beholder.

I've done backing as well as laying, but it's pointless writing what I've bet as I or anyone could make stuff up.

Everyone should bet at their level in any case, it isn't a competition to see who can place the biggest bets.

She should outclass this pair IF her jumping holds up, but fair play to you your not a guesser, you made a point (in your entertaining way) why you think her jumping could be suspect. It's all about opinions.......

No real guessing involved, I watched five hours of video of her previous runs. Playing the same races over and over again, when you do that you start to pick up on useful specifics in my experience.

Regarding her being in a different class, the official ratings suggest that this is media hype and she doesn't have that much in hand at all strictly on the figures. I place a lot of weight on the official ratings.

Cresswell Breeze getting to within 2.5 lengths of a 143 rated horse on her chase debut, is more solid than her recent hurdle ratings in my opinion which are mostly in the 130's.

Pass The Time has also recorded figures in the 130's on its recent hurdle runs, even if the odds on favourite's jumping did hold up (it won't), it would still be no easy race for her in my opinion.

I predict the favourite will set out to make all, and may well give her backers a false sense of security over the first few fences, but she'll eventually make a mess of a few and while she got away with it often over hurdles, fences are a different ballgame and she'll lose so much momentum it'll be "game over" pretty quickly, the other two will cruise past her and her embarrassed jockey will pull her up to save face, or she'll trail in last. The best case scenario is that Pass The Time doesn't handle the ground and she finishes a distant second, Cresswell Breeze loves the mud and is the most likely winner.

I feel sorry for all the people who've backed Blue Buttons, along with their childish fantasy of Blue Buttons making all of the running from start to finish.

People do have to grow up and accept that Santa Claus doesn't exist at some point in their lives, and the same logic thing applies here, people need to grow up and accept that a dwarf with wobbly legs isn't going to win a chase race.

All they're going to see is this horse blundering the race away, it'll soon be off the bridle and they'll quickly know deep down that it's over.

This is the best case scenario, she may fall or unseat the rider at the first or second fence and get the job done quicker, it's realistic and entirely possible.

Anyway I'll be back after the race is over, please post all your compliments etc below after the dwarf is done (lost).
Report Roger De Bris November 19, 2015 12:49 PM GMT
"They all come here, they all come here. How do they find me?"....
Report roida November 19, 2015 12:51 PM GMT
where is the op's 1st post?
Report Sergeant Cecil November 19, 2015 12:58 PM GMT
It was deleted.  I saved it for posterity:

http://ft.trillian.im/c7f92e91eb503d0f48888a580871d99824603406/6D9BqRbWjAKGGLgCqzQ5FVGKNomGz.jpg

How come you didn't realise it had won a point if you spent 5 hours on the race?  Or that Pass The Time is also small?
Report Breedingmad November 19, 2015 1:05 PM GMT
My 101 came up...
Report anotheronebitesthedust November 19, 2015 1:17 PM GMT
where is the op's 1st post?

It appears to have been deleted, not a big deal as most of it was humour.

All the crybabies who reported my post will feel depressed once Blue Buttons has lost, it'll eat them up inside.

To get the gist of it, I basically said lay this small horse:

3.00 Wincanton Blue Buttons (odds on loser in waiting)

It's an erratic and nervous jumper, combine this with it being a small horse and its unusual running style, it simply isn't cut out for chasing.

It will hit a few fences and won't be "making all" as some are hoping, it'll lead and then after the first screw up on a fence, it's the beginning of the end for Blue Buttons.

These sinister horses like Blue Buttons can get away with their crimes over hurdles, but chase races bring them to justice.
Report salmon spray November 19, 2015 1:27 PM GMT
"sinister" ?
Is it left-handed ?
Report roida November 19, 2015 1:58 PM GMT
anotheronebitesthedust

any chance of posting 'your lay'

tar
Report roida November 19, 2015 2:55 PM GMT
any chance of posting 'your lay'

appears nowt..another fantasist.
Report anotheronebitesthedust November 19, 2015 2:59 PM GMT
It serves no purpose posting bets, anyone can make them up and there's no possible proof.

Besides, everyone bets at different levels and it's not a competition to see who can place the largest bets.

What can be proven however, is when someone posts a selection up (back/lay) along with their logic/reasoning behind it.

Anyway... I'm preparing to LAUGH at Blue Buttons the DWARF horse make a mess of the fences, and I look forward to taunting the people who were moaning about my original post.

It'll eat them up inside once Blue Buttons loses as I said it would.

Blue Buttons... you're a small horse and you're going lose at odds on.

I'm going to laugh at you and your supporters, but I hope you go back to the stable in one piece fit and healthy.

LADIES & GENTLEMEN!

I PRESENT TO YOU... OUR MASTER CLOWN... BLUE BUTTONS!

WATCH HER AND LAUGH! ENJOY!
Report NBK November 19, 2015 3:01 PM GMT
gl another one

I always respect opinions from posters who have been here a long time and very few posts - i'm laying short enough for me
Report NBK November 19, 2015 3:02 PM GMT
winner already
Report NBK November 19, 2015 3:04 PM GMT
double money lol
Report roida November 19, 2015 3:04 PM GMT
Surprised
Report Dave The Rave November 19, 2015 3:05 PM GMT
Wink
Report noidea November 19, 2015 3:05 PM GMT
Grin
Report koikeeper November 19, 2015 3:06 PM GMT
NBK 19 Nov 15 15:01
gl another one

I always respect opinions from posters who have been here a long time and very few posts


so you respect the opening post that was removed Crazy
Report NBK November 19, 2015 3:07 PM GMT
I did not see the opening post
Report Diff-rent November 19, 2015 3:10 PM GMT
Sorry I've only got betfair mobile. Has she fallen ?
Report Hound-Dog-2 November 19, 2015 3:13 PM GMT
Absolutely spot on, well done.

No reason at all for them to delete your first post, nothing offensive, just banter and your entertaining way of putting it. And you were right, and could hardly have been more positive with your opinion.
Report ylbode123 November 19, 2015 3:14 PM GMT
thank you
Report luckyone November 19, 2015 3:15 PM GMT
people who have been here ages and post little are certainly the most interesting , less is more ..well done sir
Report the dealer November 19, 2015 3:16 PM GMT

Nov 19, 2015 -- 3:14PM, ylbode123 wrote:


thank you


Laugh

Report the dealer November 19, 2015 3:17 PM GMT
always best to check first
Report polab November 19, 2015 3:18 PM GMT

Nov 19, 2015 -- 2:59PM, anotheronebitesthedust wrote:


It serves no purpose posting bets, anyone can make them up and there's no possible proof.Besides, everyone bets at different levels and it's not a competition to see who can place the largest bets.What can be proven however, is when someone posts a selection up (back/lay) along with their logic/reasoning behind it.Anyway... I'm preparing to LAUGH at Blue Buttons the DWARF horse make a mess of the fences, and I look forward to taunting the people who were moaning about my original post.It'll eat them up inside once Blue Buttons loses as I said it would.Blue Buttons... you're a small horse and you're going lose at odds on.I'm going to laugh at you and your supporters, but I hope you go back to the stable in one piece fit and healthy.LADIES & GENTLEMEN!I PRESENT TO YOU... OUR MASTER CLOWN... BLUE BUTTONS!WATCH HER AND LAUGH! ENJOY!


You mean there are some on here that tell porkies and edit bets?  Please tell me it isn't so.

Report zipper November 19, 2015 3:25 PM GMT
ok guys  take a view this 3.30  Wincanton  lay

prestent man and whataknight ...
Report anotheronebitesthedust November 19, 2015 3:26 PM GMT
Thanks guys, went exactly as I expected.

Humour aside, if you read my posts and ignore the sarcasm and my crude jokes (entertainment)... I think you'll find my assessment was accurate and it played out exactly as I predicted it would.

Not easy mind you, as I said it required five hours of watching video on this one horse... the same races of her running over and over again paying close attention to its jumping and another four or five hours looking at other things such as official ratings.

It became crystal clear to me that this horse would simply not be up to chase races, because it was a nervous and erratic jumper over hurdles and it didn't stand a chance over fences.

When you spend almost 10 hours leaving no stone unturned studying form or whatever, you can usually be pretty confident.

I didn't do anything special, use any secret method, or have any inside information, just good old fashioned hard work and observation.

You can watch videos of ALL previous UK horse races for free on 365 in their results archive, a lot of people aren't aware of this.

Anyway... my work is done for the day Excited
Report themightymac November 19, 2015 3:29 PM GMT
Weird post but spot on with your analysis. Was beat after a few fences. You saved a lot of people money, unlike other so called experts.
Report NBK November 19, 2015 3:37 PM GMT
njoi your beers anotherone - I will
Report zipper November 19, 2015 3:47 PM GMT
3.30 the form horse  won well     final nudge
Report themightymac November 19, 2015 3:57 PM GMT
The fact that a horse from a minor stable replaced a highly regarded Nicholls horse at the head of the market in a race at Wincanton was a clue in itself, but I just couldn`t bet it and stuck with Present Man. Sad
Report railroader November 19, 2015 4:01 PM GMT
Followed you on this horse and your analysis was correct happy days
Report the dealer November 19, 2015 4:10 PM GMT
to the OP well done today but a few dont forget Wink
Report NBK November 19, 2015 4:32 PM GMT
Roida
anotheronebitesthedust

any chance of posting 'your lay'

tar

WTF has that got to do with you???????????
Report Dave The Rave November 19, 2015 4:48 PM GMT
It's Roida's catchphrase. One might even say the catchphrase of a fsdc. Wink
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