Faugheen 1/5 value?

aint really much choice when its in running.

Didn't touch the race, obviously great interest when the champion hurdler makes his seasonal bow and you want to see it, but just don't understand the mentality of a punter wanting to bet a 1/5 shot on its 1st run of season.

Didn't touch the race, obviously great interest when the champion hurdler makes his seasonal bow and you want to see it, but just don't understand the mentality of a punter wanting to bet a 1/5 shot on its 1st run of season.

so you think punters are clueless for taking 1/5 is that correct?

but you didnt lay the 1/5 is that correct?

so basically your just like most in here an expert aftertimer?

is this correct?

roida roida roida

Lot of correcting fred

amazing 6 mins pre race and not 1 person saying was bad value....Oh but post race the experts emerge.

Have to agree with Roida.

one said it was good value

its a funny ole place int it.

Is this a correction centre i y o

bankit 15 Nov 15 15:19 
Didn't expect faugheen to win easy in this race thought its class would show At the business end, but if you bet this horse at 1/5 on 1st run of season do yourself a favour and stop punting,

but no lay...

yeah I do think punters are clueless taking a 1/5 shot in this game, and that will include yourself for even contemplating betting at that price.

fink what he means o great one he was taking a watching brief innit

You don't need to be a brain surgeon to work out why not to back a horse first time out at 1/5 ffs. Unless you have inside knowledge,you have absolutely zero idea if the horse is fit,how horse has been working etc etc.

TRD fcuk rite off you t1t..this game is all about prices...either 1/5 was value if so its a bet..if 1/5 is bad value you lay it...you have zero opinion hence no bet.

Rodia seething

seething about people talking utter sh`t post race...you sorted some commas yet?

Rodia seething Marko89 lost another bank

his love child

1/5 shot is either good value and a bet  or poor value and a lay. With that simplistic outlook Roida it's no wonder you go skint. I put HP sauce on things more intelligent than you. Go for a nice lie down, and we will await the next ramblings from the Trigger of the  Forum, with anticipation.

MARKO LOST PROB 20 QUID..DIDNT YOU NOTICE THERE WAS NO COMMA?

do you know what a comma looks like?

who goes skint?

bankit 15 Nov 15 15:57 
1/5 shot is either good value and a bet  or poor value and a lay.

so is this wrong bankit iyo?

Hunty You are a failed pre race punter,you buy money because you do not have the skill or the knowledge to make it pay any other way. Stick to what you are good at,leave the proper stuff to the people that know the game.

Have a lovely Sunday in your flat in North Shields

TRD..your only skill is talking sh`te post race..never seen anything pre race from you..do you have funds?

Mark0 doesn't have £20

and who the hell puts 20 quid on a 1/5 shot anyway

a poor mug like Marko yeah probably true

ROIDA FOR ONCE I SENSE A CHINK IN YOUR ARMOUR

CHILL WINSTON

The only thing Associated with you in that Paddock Zip ,was Horse Shxt.

bond he done it to take the pi$$..are you really this simple?

so where is his three months p&l are you simple

post it

When you look at any betting opportunity Roida, you don't have to back or lay. The third option is simply to watch and have no financial involvement. The first lesson you learn as a punter, is that you shouldn't bet in every race. A lesson you have obviously still to learn. Have a think about it when you have finished your colouring in .

Breedingmad • November 15, 2015 3:28 PM GMT
Won't back 1/5 because of premium charge but backs 1/100 shots..

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bond he done it to take the pi$$..are you really this simple?
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so where is his three months p&l are you simple

post it

bankit 15 Nov 15 16:12 
When you look at any betting opportunity Roida, you don't have to back or lay. The third option is simply to watch and have no financial involvement.

correct if you think the 1/5 is the right price...you obviously didnt as you said anyone who took it wants pack the game in.

casemoney why i post to a dickhead like you  dont know
just been on the blower to my man at the track  ask him did  of them **** in the pre parade   .. he said no.. did any of em had a poo  in the ring or going  down  to post  he said ...NO   DID THE FAV  look fat  he said yes  .. deal with it  your statement looks silly  ... good night ...  thats zip out   20 mins late

bankit..

would you take 11/10 in a coin toss?

do you think it value or the correct price?

bankit....judo re-incarnated methinks.

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so where is his three months p&l are you simple

post it

rodia 11/10 on the toss of a coin it a even chance  gives  a small edge
but laying your  naps give any punter a very big edge ...keep em rolling

Mullins and co wont have gone home skint. Filled the frame taking all the dough, knew what was going to happen prior to race, and considering the volume of money shovelled on a horse they knew full well was unfit, they may just have returned home with their wheelbarrows brim full. Plenty of money just waiting to be taken. It must be great to be in a no lose situation.

Roida having a pop at bankit for having an opinion without a financial investment while he starts a thread asking about value and states after the race he had no investment

Exactly that WAC

stuck it in doubles and trebles this morning with sprinter sacre and altoir like you steve thought it was a free winner

C4 picked it up running going to the first, pitty they didnt show him in the paddock beforehand would have drifted alarmingly, it looked like me after my christmas dinner running around there

on the plus side will make the 2m hurdle division more interesting

Roida having a pop at bankit for having an opinion without a financial investment while he starts a thread asking about value and states after the race he had no investment

id say roida had 10k at 1/5

only a guess but you can tell from his style of posts on barca/athletics when hes buying money.

plus he wanted to recoup the fujn money

more than likely ^^^

he's seething all over the forum today

lost a bundle imo

chavman    15 Nov 15 19:44 
plus he wanted to recoup the fujn money

i got that back on friday.


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pity hexham wasnt on every day i'd be a billionaire

Posts a 1/5 'tip' to make himself look like a true pro.
Then when it doesnt win claims he didnt back it?
go back to pick-pocketting peoples I/R you mug.

Zodiac 15 Nov 15 23:24 
ROIDY STATES HIS ACOUNT IS PLUS £800,000  OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS ,, SINCE 2010 ..

LESS HIS 43% PREM CHARGE £344,000 ..LEAVES  £456,000 ...

LESS HIS "BOXES AND FAST PIC RENT" .. LEAVES £400,000 ..

DIVIDE BY 5 ,, WORKS OUT ABOUT £80,000 PER YEAR

DIVIDE BY 52  ,, WORKS OUT ABOUT £1,535 PER WEEK

DIVIDE BY 7  ,, WORKS ABOUT £220 PER DAY

DIVIDE BY 18 HOURS A DAY SPENT ON HERE WITHOUT 1 DAYS HOLIDAY PER YEAR  .,,WORKS OUT AT £12.20p AN HOUR !!!

NO WONDER YOU ARE LIVING ON YOUR OWN , IN A FLAT IN NORTH SHIELDS ..

ZODIE ...........

Irish are lucky    15 Nov 15 23:27 
Least his not a **** that pretended he had cancer..sick ba5tard

Zodiac 15 Nov 15 23:24
ROIDY STATES HIS ACOUNT IS PLUS £800,000  OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS ,, SINCE 2010 ..

LESS HIS 43% PREM CHARGE £344,000 ..LEAVES  £456,000 ...

LESS HIS "BOXES AND FAST PIC RENT" .. LEAVES £400,000 ..

DIVIDE BY 5 ,, WORKS OUT ABOUT £80,000 PER YEAR

DIVIDE BY 52  ,, WORKS OUT ABOUT £1,535 PER WEEK

DIVIDE BY 7  ,, WORKS ABOUT £220 PER DAY

DIVIDE BY 18 HOURS A DAY SPENT ON HERE WITHOUT 1 DAYS HOLIDAY PER YEAR  .,,WORKS OUT AT £12.20p AN HOUR !!!

NO WONDER YOU ARE LIVING ON YOUR OWN , IN A FLAT IN NORTH SHIELDS ..

ZODIE ...........

beaten fair and square...so do we think the Mullins camp was 'trying for its life'Why would you sit in behind a strong front runner with quality form and potential still in the locker..If you had win at all costs today..Why would you ride it like that?..The horse won The Neptune as a novice..It does NOT have speed to burn like a ferrari. It has an immensely powerful unrelenting stride and 'kills them off' by stepping this front running style about 2f to go. To me they were just pissing around today to see whether they could ride him different.and if didnt work..its a nice prize for someone else.at a nice price also trained by WM. Check out Rubys interview after.Almost embarrassed (if thats possible)..Like Henderson last week with Bobsworth.They were using this race as a find out mission and it didnt come off  er or did it?  Not withstanding exceptional improvement by his challengers..I would be amazed if anything gets close Faugheen in the C H..Oh if of course they ride it from the front and power on through the race...i would suggest that is just possible and 15/8 will look like gold dust

If it was the horses last run before the CH I'd be worried but its mid November, chill out take the  7/4 , 15/8 and wait for March. The run will surely do him the world of good.

No such excuses next time out though.

mullins kept it in the family.

MULLINS doesnt mention anything about badly needing the run,to much condition etc,says he was working all over the winner during the week

keep thread going till march

all  faugheens 10 wins last year he made all never   headed..  bit strange they drop him out

Didn't run 10 times last year did it ?

Also sat 2nd in Christmas hurdle at Kempton until after the 2nd last.

4 x

Made all in 5 career starts.
Other 5 he sat handy as he did yesterday.

All these posts and not one mention of his head carriage when Ruby went for him or how heavy handed Walsh was to try and get the win.
Race will have left a mark as last thing you do is smash one up if they aren't 100%.
That's when injuries happen & they remember the hard rides.
Be a watching brief nto and I do hope we see a much improved display.

some interesting stuff on this thread from gutfeeling and nightfly particularly
how much do trainers and jockeys know before the race?
if gutfeeling is correct then Faugheen was a trier;
if nightfly is correct, then maybe not so much, the stable were playing a bit fast and loose.

and what about the SP? 1/5? I wouldn't have been surprised at 1/7 or even 1/8. For a stonewall certainty, a 20% return is not bad at all.

++++++++++++++++  WAS NOT  100/% FIT  end of ..... come march the champ hurdle   he will jump out make all just like he did last year have your  money on   hope someone saves this  .. pull it up  next year

WD zip..lay much?

heres a odds on cert ..... ok mullins had first 3 yesterday    how many of them 3 ,will run in the champion hurdle next march...

Watch him jump 2 out Swift when Ruby has asked him, Hit the ground a bit flat in behind and the horses head is upright on landing, Be a textbook time for him to twinge a back muscle and from then on Ruby knew he was on a loser hence he got very busy. Too busy imo for a first run if as many suggest the horse wasn't fit enough.

Although I remember Skelton commenting he'd never tacked up a horse so fat when getting him ready at Ascot last season on debut for the Mullins camp so it's not like he doesn't carry a lot of condition into his first runs yet still win well enough based on his last 2 seasons debut starts.

roida  i was going to back it at 1/5 on  but my man at the track  said   its carrying a lot of condition.....fat as a pig. so no did not lay it or back it

do you really want us to pull out ,copy and paste etc a post that says the reigning champ and short priced fav will win next march,do you want us to also  put up the 1000,s of threads between here and march that says the ch hur fav will win,might see if the queen can strike you a medal or name a rose after you,
i suppose mullins had the 1st and 3rd running for their lifes yesterday, one things for certain if a similar race is run again next month you wouldnt be saying faugheen was value at 1 to 5,would you risk 5 grand to win 1 to back up your fitness and paddock comments,no ones that confident about paddock picks

Nov 15, 2015 -- 2:28PM, roida wrote:

fcuking hell i asked if 1/5 was value...no where did i advise a bet or say i'd backed it...im on 40% pc so do you braindead dc's think im gona take 40% less than 1/6?

Lads, that race yesterday was not a trial for the champion hurdle. That's 4 months away still. Who knows what will happen down the road but yesterday's race was a target, in itself, for the 3 Mullins horses and the best horse on the day was the winner.

zipp im I over-weight

5ft 10

16stone 7

gutfeeling

Good point re: the head carriage when under the cosh.

Zip you have made a few points but I'll address 2 and give you a chance to knock this one out of the park showing us all that we have you pegged wrong as many seem to think you a bit of a fool so with my help you can reverse that with a concise & coherent post outlining the thinking behind your comments earlier.

Firstly you said it was odd they never went from the front saying it's never headed when ran like this suggesting you think if this tactic was employed he'd have possibly won, Then said horse was unfit according to your man on the course.

Here's the part where you get to shine like a star as I'm bowling underarm here.

If the horse was unfit how would front running have changed the result against a clearly fitter rival ?

Don't let us down son.

Magnuss mag

You spelt "Mug" wong innit.

Can i answer the question?

Backwind . . . by going from the front it would get the backwind up the straight first thus win the race.

Next question please

Don't give him ideas, he has this covered.

Is there a prize?

Reclaimed dignity

gutfeeling  lets leave till next march  ... we all have  opinions

I wasn't expressing a opinion just asking you to clarify yours.
Seems I took the middle stump out the turf with consummate ease.
March has no bearing on how you've judged this weekends race.
Be good.

gutfeeling  ok  this is my case   its a cert to do the double  if it turns up ..you heard it here first

lets wait till  March

40%pc don't make me laugh you spend all your time on the forum.When do u have tyhe time to work out whats a good bet.

Not worth the time some folk.

and still no-one laid it...

want win the champion hurdle rodia

iyo mart..iyo

when i have a few k on al tell u the winner rodia

I used to lay all races with odds on favourites in them using a lay the field approach for a fixed liability. It's very nearly a winner and for someone who is on 2% commission, a definite winner.
The point with lay the field for fixed liability at BFSP is that you reduce your overall liability on the race and, if the favourite is odds-on, every other horse in the race is a winner at varying degrees. 
Unfortunately I'm not on 2% so I gave it up.

A form expert may be capable of judging which races to steer clear (i.e. where the fav is going to win) but this type of selective approach is dubious imo.

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