LAMPS.

will that be classed as a runner

Was it under starters orders? I've layed it.

can never have been under orders

Did he come under orders?

was never going to start, very unlucky if you've done your cash on the jolly

shirley a non-runner

flag was raised

Of course it came under orders.........how can it not have been?

Seemed to be under orders, however he was never really on the actual course

Took no part

very confusing start. you can't have this make your mind up if it was a runner or not after the race has started.

9.42 BFSP

Tried to race with the field.  In the hands of the starter I'm afraid!

betfair sp 9.42

If he is classed as a runner given the build up then it will be a complete farce.

That was Roida

Pretty sure they will call it a non-runner, they did something simiilar recently.

Paddy Flowers will refund all the mugs

Nov 9, 2015 -- 2:06PM, Swardean wrote:

Pretty sure they will call it a non-runner, they did something simiilar recently.

yeah i got done on that one, can't remember the exact runner, but very similar circumstances.

Under the rules of racing that horse should be deemed a runner. If the stewards choose to ignore the rules that's up to them.

JOCKEY AND TRAINER NEED A SMACK THEY SHOULD HAVE REMOVED THE HORSE

How can they call it a NR?
Scholfield was mounted at the start.
Horse is a pig, and anyone that backed him pre-race needs to give themselves a good talking to!!!

Laid it, he lined up in my opinion, it was a lay to nothing virtually. No guarantee to win if he started, was always likely to give ground at the
start in that mood................and the brucie bonus, may not start. If he is declared a runner in, which he should, punters were ripped off, he
was never going, and if like me you laid it, and it is declared a non runner, disgraceful. Horse lined up with field, whilst being held.

Have said on here many times, if a horse makes no attempt to jump first.............NON RUNNER.

IKDW,calm down,just a question,havent got access to pictures at the mo

Be amazed if it wasn't classed as a runner although it was obvious to anyone with half a brain he wasnt interested and should never have been led to the start.

Cash Out no longer available due to late withdrawal

slybet given it as a NR.

sportinglife say it's a runner

Looking at the replay, a 'runner' imo

don't care much about the people that lose their winning lay bets on a horse that was obviously not going to start but it has wider implications, anyone who did a back to lay on the winner will be unhappy when they realise they've laid it IR at a HIGHER price than they backed it prerace through no fault of their own. There should be no confusion here, it's either led away and dismounted and then they race or its under oders,m zero room for a grey area here imo

usual chaos and lack of info, no doubt will take an age to make a decision

Absloute certain runner ,otherwise the starter would have had it removed from the rest of the field.

*absolute

Looking at the replay, a 'runner' imo

+1

should deffo be a runner

I neither backed or layed it

nothing is absolute in these cases imo

betfair settled as runner,laid it been paid

settled as a runner

runner

right decision imo.

bit rich betfair settling it as a runner after hanging up the "Cash Out no longer available due to late withdrawal" sign

Deemed a runner in the Sporting Life and weighed in

anyone backing it,should know its a dog,always a good chance he wont fancy it.

Events such as we just witnessed show big flaws in the current set up / rules . Racing depends on the public , the punting public in particular . Anyone who backed Lamps was robbed no matter what way you cut it , deductions , quirky sort etc .

Not surprised though ,but when common sense should be applied properly , they duck out .

Right decision he ran. I have that warm sensation in my pants of smugness , however it is horrid for punters at work
who have no chance of cashing out............even at a loss.

Nov 9, 2015 -- 2:19PM, Kelly wrote:

Events such as we just witnessed show big flaws in the current set up / rules . Racing depends on the public , the punting public in particular . Anyone who backed Lamps was robbed no matter what way you cut it , deductions , quirky sort etc .Not surprised though ,but when common sense should be applied properly , they duck out .

anyone who backed it should blame the trainer/jockey imo - never should have taken their chances at the start.

The whole game is a stinking circus. Why people expect there to be some sort of exception is quite baffling.

you pay your money you take your chance, 9.42 BFSP layers would have been seething had it consented to start

horse been brought from trowbridge that must be a good 200 miles,trainer & jockey obviously keen to give it every chance to start,theyre not bothered about what happens to punters

Had it consented to start no way would it have returned a BSP of 9.42 BB, that price was returned because people at the track laid it for all they had when it was obvious it wasn't going anywhere not before the off.

Seems a few wanting their money back for b366 standing firm

https://twitter.com/bet365/with_replies

The horse may be a dog but the whole racing game is disgraceful at the moment grey areas are not taken seriously and the bookmaker has all the wild cards well done layers though easy money

skybet refunding

does that bring into question the whole bsp thing then ?

Looking at all the conversations are people genuinely unaware of the rules or trying it on.

If it is the former, it may put these guys off for life.

Lamps' record was 6 wins 10 places from 26 runs. Where is the evidence that he was temperamental and likely to refuse like that clown on ATR is inferring? That is a very good record for a horse running at that level. What is disgusting is the contempt the Jockey/Trainer have, as it was clear it was never going to start. I have been following Racing for 40 years but I am becoming utterly turned off by the way it is run.

about time this sort of thing was sorted out

Horse should be put off till it consents to run. Like having a stalls test on the flat. Ridiculous situation there

there is no satisfactory outcome to a situation like this .

if a even money refuses , backers of the other horses should not be penalised for a 45p/50p deduction , just so the backers of the horse that refuses get their money back  .

apt that double squiggle should be commenting

Horse taking the p@i@s@s@.......jig jogged back to his grub.He Knew!.

The current rule is probably based on centuries of old fogey rules . The oldest adage in racing is "if you cant win , you cant lose " . Horses who do not start a race cannot win . Pretty obvious .

Connections of Lamps dont come out with any credit either , jockey or starter do not deseve any thanks from punters .  Some people ( maybe on track mainly ) have obviously benefiited fro the situation , but any profit they got has been filched from someone else .

If horse takes no active part should be non runner...common sense innit?

Bet653 u turn.....money back.

ROIDA I LAID IT .....  BUT THE average punter had no chance  ... thats why racing is  on its arse ...  kids  are playing the fobs
run by dick heads

No one has ever explained why situations like this are not dealt with by the stewards . Just laziness on authorities part I suspect .

the fault is with the starter imo , he should see the horse is playing up and withdraw it.

zipper 09 Nov 15 14:43 
ROIDA I LAID IT .....  BUT THE average punter had no chance  ... thats why racing is  on its arse ...  kids  are playing the fobs
run by dick heads


WD zipper...1.0001 you cannot post your lay.

No common sense amongst the racing authorities though, roida and they wonder why racing's dying on it's arse compared to other sports.

Cost me money but I'll take it on the chin cos it's only one race out of thousands for me, for part time punters who have the odd bet things like that put them off for life.

Bet653 have refunded my 14 pence ...

as a free bet

the old guys who run this game  bhb  ..  jokey club... you have to be  well born  at least 99 years young  .. zip  applied  last year   ... sorry son your only 71...................

zipper 09 Nov 15 14:43
ROIDA I LAID IT .....  BUT THE average punter had no chance  ... thats why racing is  on its arse ...  kids  are playing the fobs
run by dick heads


WD zipper...1.0001 you cannot post your lay.

Someone had a whip at the start and it consented to race last year this year no whip...

The game is called GAMBLING.
This includes a horse winning, a jockey riding well, a horse not falling, a horse not whipping round, a horse not being disqualified by stewards, AND a horse starting.
This should not come as a surprise to anyone who plays.

agreed, but the issue here is the horse was never ever going to start with the jockey on its back.  so someone should have taken the decision to lead it away and they go without it.  instead he jumps back on it and it does what it had already done 3 or 4 times ie dug its heels in and refused to move.  the only time it actually moved was when he got off it.

others have still jumped off and raced from that position ..

And wun....


Vodkatini.

again agreed, but those involved, particularly the jockey had to make a judgement call as to whether that was going to jump off.  again bear in mind it had not moved an inch with him in the saddle for 5 minutes before the off.  the only time it consented to move was when he jumped off.  so imo a poor call not to lead it away.  and i didn't back it.

Yarmi is on the case,he think's he can get this horse to race.The Trainer must get in touch if he is worth a lighty.

Yarmi is on the case,he think's he can get this horse to race.The Trainer must get in touch if he is worth a lighty.

The Stewards held an enquiry following a report from the Starter that LAMPS, ridden by Nick Schofield, had refused to race despite walking forward with the field, having been called in by the Starter, and was therefore deemed to be a runner for betting purposes. They interviewed Michael Blake, the trainer, and the Starter. Having heard their evidence and viewed recordings of the start and, bearing in mind that LAMPS had been unruly at the start at Ffos Llas on 12 April 2015 and was unruly at the start and withdrawn at Uttoxeter on 4 October 2015, the Stewards informed the trainer that future similar behaviour may result in the gelding being reported to the Head Office of the British Horseracing Authority.

Non-Race related incidents
Race 4: The Stewards held an enquiry to consider why Nick Schofield, the rider of LAMPS, had appeared to strike his horse whilst dismounted prior to the start of the race. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the incident they found him in breach of Rule (B)54.2 and guilty of improper riding. They suspended him for 1 day as follows: Monday 23 October 2015.

The risk in him not starting was factored into the price. If you took 3.2 and the horse had have run, then there's every chance you could have traded out immediately at 2.4-2.5...

The horse has played up dozens of times before at the start and has always run. To be honest I feel sorry for the layers who had to take such a risk laying him at 9/4. Fair play to them and deserved their reward..

2-55 tomorrow 

Nice sire for aw racing especially at swell.

No write up for wolver

What do you think of

Khismet
and Pool House 

Don't like anything looks like a load of guessing to me,not a bad card for lower grade races they just look to difficult don't really like Tuesdays card either done it already at lingfield.Prefer it when the double headers are on with swell involved,a lot of these meetings don't throw up many bets can go 2 or 3 days without having a bet,soon it will be 4 meeetings maybe five when newcastles on and will be moaning about that..

Will try and find something to do a preview on this week,but if I can't see 3  races I like on a card then it's all guessing it's pointless putting down a load of guessing waffle for someone to follow and lose on.Can't abide those Chelmsford cards either,although looking from where wink oliver won looks like you can win from anywhere,hard to bet there unless you've got times to back it up..

Hope yours win greg if you're backing them,will be doing Wednesdays cards tomorrow afternoon,might be a bet at lingfield wait to see prices..

says he was 2.88 sp and 9.4 bsp last time was it that obvious he wasnt going to start .


i think he might win today on the flat

Cheers Andy.Went to bed   gl