I think it's all over

I thought he had 'found god' - or something similar - and given the game up years ago.

Last sighted wandering along a beach in Cornwall - according to several reliable reports.

he got knocked back on a bet (nap)

"The age old battle between bookmaker and punter is over, finished, bookmakers don't want to play anymore" draw a pinprick of blood from their ample corporate skin they will close you down

he's about 10 years late then

and good evening barry, trust you are well?

aye

eh?

i thought this might be a "rip" thread.

HI BAZZA,,
IVE SEEN THEY HAVE TAKEN YOUR OPENING POST DOWN ..

FREEDOM OF SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH ?????????

cheers zodie.........

What's the point of leaving a thread without its opening post?

How dare they remove Barry's post.
No respect whatsoever.

Can't remember what I said(old age) was something offensive?

something re Mark Coton article in RP?

is nothing sacred on here anymore?

Delta, OK Mark Coton wrote an article in a racing magazine about bookmakers knocking punters back, so what's new?

Bookies arent what they used be.
long gone are the days of fearless bookies taking on the public, particularly the bookies who were being bankrolled by other people.

Barry the shops dont need horse racing  or dog racing   like in the 1970  today  most of the money comes from fobs  and football ...   you should know that
re course bookies they are ruled by the machine   ok you can have say  200 on at 9/4  only if they can lay off on the machine at 11/4....other wise the bet is knock back ...sad but true

ZIPPER,WHEN AND WHERE WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WENT RACING,UP NORTH ITS BIGGER THAN THE MACHINE ONCOURSE,NO COMMISSION,NO PREMIUM CHARGE,COME RACING

OH AND THE CORRUPT SP SYSTEM SENDS PRICES BACK TO THE BETTING SHOPS THAT HAVE NO BEARING ON REALITY,COME RACING

factmachine - your fantasy world does not exist ......... and I go racing in the North on a regular basis ...

Will you please desist from posting this tripe?

CREPELLO,ITS A FACT,WILL YOU PLEASE ATTEND ONE OF YOUR LOCAL RACECOURSES

tim,please stop making a fool of yourself again

DO I HAVE TO RING BIGMO,LITTLE MAN

JUST LISTEN OUT FOR"BIGGER THAN THE MACHINE" - Factmachine
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Bigger than the machine my backside.  5/1 SP, 9.2 on the machine.  Were you calling 9/1 ???

were you f_ck.

fantasist.

NEVER GIVE UP THE "POISON LITTLE TROLL" BIGMO

thetruthhurts you bigmouth

wonder why people call you MOUTHMACHINE?

NGU,WHY DO YOU JUMP ONTO OTHER PEOPLES THREADS,AS BIGMO QUITE RIGHTLY POINTED OUT YOU ARE A RATHER "SAD LITTLE TROLL" WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU,HAS YOUR GIRO NOT ARRIVED?????

definitely seems thetruthhurts you bigmouth tim

Told you my post would be deleted betfair must have sour grapes regarding Harry lol

Thou shalt not win, is betting’s implacable commandment, carried down from high mountains by representatives of the bookmaking industry. What, after all, do you intend to do about it?

MC wrote that in Odds On magazine over 20 years ago!

factmachine  just seen your 13.06 post
the last  time was a long time ago   say Cheltenham... petrol 60
over  night stay   250 per night  times 2  times 4 
enter  fee well a rip off    table  for  four cost  plenty
today sit on here   better odds  do say 2 grand   and still well in front   ..and dont have to drive home ....small   meetings are a waste of time

I remember having £100 win on a dog at Bolton with Maurice Lindsay

It won at 5-1 and he called me a coont when I collected, I chinned him after i'd got the cash

maurice was fine when he was winning    but a very poor loser   owned Wigan  rugby club   the best layer at Bolton dogs was ..Fred Sharples  had is own  card and stood by it   ok in them days 200 was a big bet  1970

belle vue  sammy day made  the market  .. a top guy  and had a opinion every race   in them days  there was only 6 races  and no machine

The only other bookie I remember was Pat Phelan(think he was a scouser)

Never liked Lindsay, he also had 2 jokers running a book w/o the fav

differt  i had a dog at the zoo with  banny banford ..great days

pat was a liverpool lad  full of fun   on winning nights  came in the bar  and said drinks all round on me     heres the fun  on losing nights  came in the bar  and said drinks all round on me   by the way  his tic tack  dont know his real name  but another scouser  was the best putter oner ive ever seen

THE NORTH WEST HAD THE BEST TWO FLAPPING TRACKS IN THE COUNTRY,NUMBER ONE WAS CHESTER WITH BOLTON A CLOSE SECOND,EVEN IN THE LATE SEVENTIES YOU COULD GET MORE ON AT EITHER OF THESE TRACKS THAN YOU CAN AT BELLE VUE NOW,MAURICE WAS A FEARLESS LAYER,THE GUYS HE HAD WORKING THE IMI WERE TERRIFIED OF HIM(PUFFING BILLY & WILLIS,BOTH NOW DEARLY DEPARTED, RIP),AS FOR MR SHARPLES HE WAS A FEARLESS PUNTER AND A SHREWD TRAINER OF GREYHOUNDS,PAT WHEELAN STOOD NUMBER 1 AT BOLTON AS WELL AS THE IMMI AT PARK ROAD ST HELENS(ANOTHER VERY STRONG RING),GREAT DAYS WITH REAL BOOKMAKERS WHO WOULD LAY AND STAND GREYHOUNDS FOR CHUNKS,AND UNLIKE TODAYS BLUFFERS YOU DIDNT NEED A MACHINE GUN TO GET A BET!

PATS TICK PROBABLY WAS ALAN!

fact   ok  do you remember a dog  Call Me  Late   or Ballinska Band   both  were champs one flapping   the  other  NGRC

FACT  dont get me at it  .. ok a lot of what you say is true   cut my teeth on the dogs  long before  i got  on the horses  only reason i got on the horses was my dad  rip

if i remember rightly baliniska band won the derby and was owned by the fella who owns or owned salford van hire , cant for the life of me remember his name

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R65GsJ6WnMQ

donit

balinska band was a belle vue dog trained by eddie moore

holds the course record when the derby was run over 500 metres

its come to me raymond bacci

ZIPPER,ALL OF WHAT I SAY IS TRUE,AND IF U CUT YOUR TEETH AT THE DOGS I WILL KNOW YOU FOR SURE,REMEMBER BALINSKA BAND,I ALSO REMEMBER IM SLIPPY WINNING A SPRINT AT BOLTON DOGS,CANT REMEMBER CALL ME LATE!

ALSO REMEMBER A TRACK DOG WINNING THE BOLTON DERBY AT 33/1(FLAPPING ALL 5 DOG RACES) THINK IT WAS CALLED NAJINSKY A BLACK DOG,THERE WERE GREYHOUNDS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IN THE RACE.IT WON IN A PHOTO FINISH

o you remember a dog Call Me Late or Ballinska Band both were champs one flapping the other  NGRC

Zipper, I certainly remember Ballinska Band, Derby winner, unbeaten in the heats and equalled the record time in the final. White City was almost a local track for me (and the best ever). I loved it there and saw many Derby finals in the 70's and 80's, the only 'true' Derby roar, fantastic atmosphere. The year before BB I was on Mutts Silver ante-post and again in the final at 7/1 (won at 6/1), what a night and my biggest win ever on the dogs. Maybe some of you remember Yellow Printer, a very fast dog.

I remember Yellow Printer very well. Below is an account of his racing days.


Yellow Printer


Considered by many to be the fastest greyhound never to win the English Derby, Yellow Printer was a fawn March 1966 dog by Printer’s Prince out of Yellow Streak. Owned by Sir Robert Adeane and Miss Pauline Wallis, Yellow Printer was a warm favourite for the 1968 Derby by virtue of the brilliant speed he had shown when twice breaking the 525 yard record at White City. However he disappointed his supporters in the first round of the Derby, only just managing to qualify for the second round. There were rumours about his fitness – denied by trainer Johnny Bassett – and that an attempt had been made to stop him by criminal elements. In any event, a police guard was placed on his kennel prior to the second round of the Derby. All to no avail – Yellow Printer was knocked over at the third bend and failed to finish. The Derby was won by the Duke of Edinburgh’s Camira Flash.

Yellow Printer was back to his best in the heats for the 1968 Irish Derby, becoming the first greyhound to smash the 29 second barrier for Shelbourne Park’s 525 yard course. In the final Yellow Printer beat the previous year’s winner, Russian Gun, as well as the great bitch Itsamint, winner of Shelbourne Park’s Easter Cup.

Yellow Printer always showed his best form at White City, and in 1969 he won the Sir Billy Butlin Stakes and the Wood Lane Stakes there, and also Wembley’s Summer Cup. But his luck in the 1969 English Derby was no better than it had been in 1968, as he again failed to get past the second round. The final was won by Sand Star, an Irish raider kenneled with Barbara Tomkins during the course of the Derby competition.

Elected Greyhound of the Year for 1969, Yellow Printer was retired to stud in Ireland, but soon joined his owner, now Mrs Pauline O’Donnell, in America. He proved an influential sire there, and his son, Sandy Printer, was America’s leading sire in 1980.

Johnny Basset described Yellow Printer as ‘the perfect gentleman at all times – an aristocrat of the canine world’.

Thanks sparrow, a good read.

Maybe you also remember Shamrock Point around roughly the same time. I had a dog, Claremont Point who raced at Reading and Slough. SP was the sire.

I remember the name Shamrock Point but that's about all I'm afraid.Yellow Printer's trainer Bassett trained at Clapton which was my regular track in the 60s and 4 derby winners were trained there in 6 years during that period. One of those winners in 1963 was Lucky Boy Boy who was also trained by Bassett.

I looked up Shamrock Point and realised I should have remembered it. Here is a piece I found regarding the dog in the 1975 Derby won by rank outsider Tartan Khan.


Lively Band did not take part, having been disqualified controversially, in the Semi-Final, for fighting.   The dog he "fought" into fourth place, Shamrock Point, an ante-post favourite for the competition went on to win the Consolation Final in a time some 56 spots faster than the Final.

So, the Final was a five dog race.

Myrtown, who had been an unplaced finalist the year before, was all the rage ( media fuelled hype ) for the final, even though he'd drawn the "coffin box" of three, until, a day or two before the race when some sustained support came for Sallys Cobbler in Trap 1.  A dead railer inside a slow starter it was argued that he was the best drawn dog in the Final.   Pineapple Grand, a useful wide seed would need to improve again to win as would Foreign Exchange who had proved to be the "improver" of the competition.   Tartan Khan was overlooked by all.  He was a stayer who had actually qualified for the final with straight third place runs, all around the 29.60 mark, a time which had been bettered by all four of the others, by some way.

As often happens the expected happened then didn't quite pan out.

Tartan Khan in 2 made light of the "Derby roar", trapped far better than any had thought possible and moved out to hinder Myrtown, who had slept a yard and met trouble going to the bend, in the shape of Foreign Exchange. The rail opened up and Sally's snatched the lead going into the bend and bombed up  the back straight.   Then, unbelievably this dead-railer moved off and Tartan Khan came up his inside to lead going into the last turn.  Stunned race-fans could not believe it as the sure stayer, Tartan Khan, who was recognised as more of a St Leger hope, took the lead and ran on to the line to win by 1 and a quarter lengths.  33/1 had been freely available all week and 25/1 on the night - so sure were the betting public that the dog was a no-hoper.

Tartan Khan went on to win the St Leger that same year then did absolutely nothing of note at stud.

Can't remember the point of this thread, but, it's far more interesting now, sparrow, didn't camera flash get into the final in controversial circumstances

Yes Barry, Camira Flash had been eliminated but reinstated after another dog was disqualified for fighting. This was the 1968 Derby.

SEMI FINALS

Controversy was the order of the day after the semi final exit of Camira Flash. John Donald, a lifelong greyhound racing enthusiast who lived on the White City Estate at the time and felt as if the White City was his second home, rightly questions whether Camira Flash should have been allowed back into the Derby after his fourth place elimination, and whether it had anything to do with his association with Prince Philip. In the second semi final Camira Flash started slowly, along with Withche's Smoke and El Campo. However, the early leader Not Flashing caused crowding at the third bend and, in the opinion of the judges, had fought and caused sufficient mayhem to enable Withche's Smoke to power home on the outside by 2 lengths from El Campo,the 2/1 favourite and trap 6 runner, with Not Flashing in third. Immediately the buzz around the stands was that Not Flashing should be disqualified, but even when this decision had been made there was then a second decision as to whether it should become a 5 dog final or Camira Flash (9/4) be promoted into the final. In a less eventful first semi final the 11/10 unbeaten Shady Parachute was fast away to lead throughout and win by 5 lengths in an impressive 28.62.


THE FINAL

It was not surprising that the unbeaten Shady Parachute, from the 5 box, was made the 4/6 favourite. Winning Hope, previously trounced by Shady in the semi final, was second favourite at 7/2, while the ideally drawn inside runner Shady Begonia went off as third choice at 6/1. What was amazing was that the poorly drawn trap 4 runner, Camira Flash left behind his slow starts of previous rounds and led at the first bend from the well drawn El Campo on the outside. El Campo challenged throughout and was particularly threatening around the final two bends, but Camira was not to be denied and ran on strongly to win by just over a length in 28.89. It was left to Witche's Smoke to claim second spot just a neck in front of El Campo, while the disappointing Shady Parachute could do no better than fourth, a further 3 lengths away.

As a footnote to his victory, Camira Flash earned in excess of £8000 in prize money during his career, and made at least the same amount again in stud fees.

sparrow, good evening .



Was John Basett a Perry Barr trainer ?...



If he was, I know an owner at the time who told me he lived in a railway carriage due to massive losses' backing his own dogs !

1970 started with a blow for the track, another fire caused extensive damage but this once again failed to hinder
the charge of the Perry Barr
succes
s
.
The main stand was rebuilt with a new restaurant and bar facilities
and the
track reopened soon after
.
Frank Baldwin had taken over from his father Tom
who would retire to Wales
and with
John Bassett, Bertie Gaynor, Paddy McEvoy and Barbara Tompkins
being handlers at the track you could see why
the Birmingham venue was arguably the strongest provincial track in the country.
The list of 1970’s winners is just too long mention so the most notable were the 1975 Scottish Derby winner
Dromlara Master and
of course the 1975 greyhound of the year called Pineapple Grand trained by Frank Baldwin.
This fawn bitch won the Oaks, the Laurels and finished third in the Derby.
John Rowe a former trainer at Knowle and Oxford and Racing Manager at Leicester
switched t
o the hot seat at
Perry Barr joining General manager John Moore. John
’
s sons Bob was Racing Manager at rival track Hall Green.
Win number
twelve
came the way of Westpark Mustard over 550 yards at the track on 23
rd
April 1974 when she
was challenging the w
orld record
and in 1981 the stadium hosted the
trainer’s
championship.
Amidst all of this success the stadium was bought by Ladbrokes and renamed the Birchfield Ladbroke Stadium,
the purchase had arisen after Ladbrokes missed out on
securing Romford and Brighton, beaten to it by Corals. As
a result they turned their attention to the Midlands and bought Perry Barr. Further investment followed with
facilities being updated by the bookmaking giant
, £100,000 was spent including new lighti
ng
.
Former GRA director
of Racing Arthur Aldridge, now fulfilling the same role for Ladbrokes oversaw the purchase.
So all was going swimmingly,
Jim Woods, formerly Charlie
Boulton’s
assistant at Harringay took up the position of
Racing Manager in 1982. The racing pattern was Tuesdays, Thursday and Saturdays and the
strong group of
attached trainers
continued to reap rewards for the stadium.
Suddenly rumours surfaced regarding the d
esire of Ladbrokes to sell the land to developers, an unsettled Paddy
Hancox moved to Hall Green and Bertie Gaynor switched to Coventry signaling a huge problem for Perry Barr.
The rumours proved to be true when a sale to developers was agreed and the site
sold, the last meeting was held
on 14
th
April 1984, 56 years and 7 days after it had opened.
The site today is the huge ‘One stop shopping centre’ and not a
single sign of the old track exists

Do any of you old timers remember a dog called Hopeful Yankee running out of Belle Vue circa 1960? Apparently it held the track record for a time but whether that is urban myth or not I don't know. It was owned by a relation of mine who was supposed to have been quite a good judge when it came to picking them out.

Thanks for the reads guys, interesting and brings back so many memories of White City.

Sparrow I was there for Tartan Khans Derby, but not on the winner unfortunately, although my mate was. A fiver at 25's, winning 125, a few bob in those days. He rarely went dog racing and backed the 2 outsiders (always the case isn't it). I thought I was on the winner during the race when Sallys Cobbler took the lead, he had the race won, but for whatever reason, came off the rails which was a shock as he used to scrape the paint off them normally.

I never went to Clapton, but probably did most of the other London tracks. White City and Wembley were my 'locals'. Good days. I went over to Wimbledon for the final in 2010, not a patch on WC, horrible place.

Lots of memories here as well

I recall that Balliniska Band was owned by Raffaele Bacci who ownded Salford Van Hire and had lots of good dogs in Manchester.

Shamrock Point was a very distinctive white and black dog - very rare at that time when it seemed as though the majority of the dogs were brindled. I think that they were both trained by Ger McKenna.

Finals night was great fun - we used to take a picnic and sit above the first bend and get steadily pi55ed, occasionally fighting our way into the betting ring to get on.

There were six trainers at White City - Adam Jackson, Joe Pickering, Colin West, Randy Singleton, Tommy Foster, and David Kinchett. Supposedly, you weren't supposed to have dogs with more than one trainer but one owner had dogs with all six under different names. My mate's view was that he used to get six sets of lousy tips instead of just one like the rest of us.

My wife and I still talk about the old days - the huge gambles that never quite came off, the American Bar, the characters (Stan Bowles, Jimmy the One, Don Shanks and his Miss World girlfriend etc..), walking the dogs at Northaw on a Sunday - our baby son was once cuddled by 2 Miss Worlds one after the other in the bar there.

Oh yes. the tote deductions were lower too - 5% on the win pool....

AT CHESTER GREYHOUND STADIUM (FLAPPER)IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES I REMEMBER HEATS THEN THE FINAL BEING RUN FOR A BRAND NEW CAR WHICH WAS PRESENTED TO THE WINNER BY MICKEY THOMAS

Mistyped - should be Raffaello Bacci

spot on Rydall   twaz MR Bacci  a great greyhound fan   had many a good dog.... but Bandy was the best won the puppy cup  and ran in 3 Derby Finals started fav all 3 times

Rydal if you want the full  story  re that dog   go to google    its full life story is there   The Hall  Of fame   what a machine  ..and i was there

zip

I've dug out the programme for the '77 final (price 10p!). One of my dogs was reserve for a graded race on the night - not called on.

They used to run five heats then the final on the same night at Chester. Had to have your dog spot on.

Camira Flash was an NGRC dog and Eric Morecambe was given one called Hairy Legs. After the dog was a well beaten favourite one wag called out, "Oy Eric, you should have called it Weary ******* Legs!"
Not Flashing the dog , unfairly , thrown out stood as a stud for years under the stewardship of Jim Morgan at Stanton St John in Oxfordshire.

some of you old greyhound goers remember the name
of those roasted peanuts on sale  at the tracks
they were lovely and cant seem to find them on sale anywhere
and cant remember the make 

http://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/29615531/old-bet...

pete_de 30 Sep 15 00:19 
some of you old greyhound goers remember the name
of those roasted peanuts on sale  at the tracks
they were lovely and cant seem to find them on sale anywhere
and cant remember the make  Blush



Percy Dalton's ?

thanks sparrow .. been trying for months to remember that name
now all ive got to do is find out where to get them
im going to google now ...    thanks again

p.s. sparrow . did you manage to get back to the old site ??

No I never managed to get back, pete.

me neither sparrow 

keep trying lads,
its strange I try a few times and nothing then
I try again sometime later and its showing UK. AUS.NZ.
  already without me having to change ENG.UK.
  just tried again and there it is IM BACK