as mart says, people with that kind of money tend to love money and are greedy, thats why despite being billionaires with the biggest breeding OP in the world they still wont race Gleneagles for fear of effecting his stud value, wouldnt be surprised if they still liked winning bets, especially off the back of inside info

NOBODY has answered my earlier post - let alone answered it satisfactorily ...

onlooker 27 Sep 15 18:08

Just HERE do these exeptionally WELL KNOWN gamblers - who only ever back their OWN stable horses - get their TENS, and Hundreds, of THOUSANDS of Pounds BETS on? ...

When even the 'know nothing' punters get knocked back for a Fifty.

onlooker you wd not have to put much on to lay a fav not to be placed and someone backed the winner today horse got hammered from 4s to 5/2 so some one got on didint they ?

I dont think magnier was far from broke before he met his wife

if they are making 200k every coup it soon adds up onlooker your making them out to be squeaky clean business of the decade !  i just think punters are been done over and its been going on for years , yes every horse is intitled to give its best but its actally laughable if you don't think something is going on here ? seams they often have a 2nd string in these races put a top jock on the fav drifts late on and oh he has it last with a f to go , please  onlooker you aint that gullable are you ?

Vincent O'Brien recognised the need to find rich owners when he first started training on the flat in the late 50's/early 60's and found a rich seam to mine in the US, then the pre-eminent racing jurisdiction in the world I believe, and the Irish-American industrialist, John McShane (owner of his first Derby winner Ballymoss and one of "the Irish that build America"), may have been the first fish he landed.

He attracted plenty of these owners and they, by and large, had their days in the sun but certainly weren't "cleaned out" as you say. John A Mulcahy was a very close friend of MV's and, if he spent a little too much on American-breds then who could blame an ageing racing fan for his loyalty. Waterville golf club was John A's legacy to Ireland. Mulcahy was once the owner of Lyonstown Stud (now part of the Coolmore/Ballydoyle empire) and it was build along the lines of American barns.

Inspired by MV's success with US-breds, the Sangster/Magnier/O'Brien axis developed in the seventies (and helped themselves to plenty of petro-dollars) and did attract/target the vast fortunes of Stavros Niarchos (this bloodstock dynasty is still going strong in France mainly) and Danny Schwartz was probably the most unusual owner attracted to the syndicate. He did lose plenty but perhaps he had a laundry business that was extremely profitable!

With the demise of MV and Sangster into the 80's they couldn't compete against the Arabs (who recalls Racing Post headlines "Will Sh Mohammed/Goldolphin/Sh Hamdan win every Group 1 this year?"). John Magnier was developing a stallion business worldwide and only when MV retired did the dream of Ballydoyle become a spark of an idea. Aiden O'Brien was taken on to prove himself and it was a number of years before the massive investment in yearlings started to take place and the blue-bloods stayed in Tipperary rather than venturing to Newmarket or Chantilly.

John Magnier merely repeated the formula that produced The Minstrel, Golden Fleece, El Gran Senor and a myriad of other stakes horse when finding "equal" partners in Tabor and, more recently, Smith and with the Arab battalions constantly ranged against them it is absolutely critical that this syndicate works perfectly well for all concerned. It is truly remarkable how successful they have been competing against opponents with, literally, limitless amounts of cash; that they have succeeded and prospered is remarkable testimony to the genius of the man from Grange Stud.

£200k about what they get for galileo covering 3 mares

hardly worth the effort

Tabor as most people will know is a big part of Coolmore,is also a big shareholder in VC,and although you do make a good point in relation to plenty of successful people in other businesses have met their waterloo at this racing game,you cannot apply that thinking to Tabor,because basically speaking this is his original business.He owned the Arthur Prince chain of betting shops in London before selling them on,he was warned off many years ago,so this is no greenhorn we are dealing with.He is originally from the EastEnd of London,so this man is well used to all sorts of funny dealings.Any person who pays 3p commission as long as he has is doing it for a reason,if he was a mug he could bet with anybody,that stands to reason.With the contacts he has ,i could think of alot better things to be doing than taking him on in a head to head battle.Keen Leader thinks otherwise but the chap is dreaming,anybody that lays him now does so to find out what he is backing,and no other reason.As for people thinking that he is the weakest link in the Coolmore Operation,well i couldnt actually nominate who that person is but it certainly isnt Tabor.  as prev stated onlooker you need to know the roots , and were the original money stems from

Couldn't agree more with what is being said about these pattern race "jobs" in Ireland ...favs ridden out the back, pacemaker wins ...next time out, they are both given different rides...its almost as if its about the gambles first...then the black type ...[

Backed as if unbeatable!!!!!!, Opened 11/8f & returned 5/4f, Some gamble that.
Have to wonder why they wasn't on Port Talbot today who opened at 14/1 and returned the same price or maybe Hit It A Bomb who opened at 2/1 and returned the same price.
I mean if they know like people suggest, I'd suggest people know nothing and they want black type for every horse and care very very little for anything else as that's what keeps the empire rolling.

I could sit here all night and list the Ballydoyle drifters who duly obliged running like drifters, meanwhile the apparent 2nd or 3rd string get backed. I don't have a problem with it, just think people need a reality check.

"don't tell me Coolmoore don't bet, or that the stable staff don't bet to supplement their incomes with inside knowledge. Some on here talk like right ferking eejit".


I think this has legs.