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DONCASTER STEWARDS UTTER DISGRACE
DONCASTER STEWARDS UTTER DISGRACE
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Not a hope in hell of winning an appeal, Atzeni got stuck on the rail, then tried to barge his way out.
No need for him to be there, he had 1m2f to get of it. He deserved to lose the race for being a stupid dope alone and the owners deserved to lose it for hiring him. |
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The Steward said they listened to what the jockies had to say, then saw film of the incidents, and decided to reverse the placings. He also said that the jockies wouldn't admit if they were in the wrong, so it is really a pointless exercise interviewing them in the first place.
All the evidence they need is recorded. |
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factmachine 12 Sep 15 23:04
IF THE HORSE THAT FINISHED SECOND BEEN A 33/1 SHOT,THE RESULT WOULD HAVE STOOD,FACT! Why, so the stewards could do favourite backers a turn out of the goodness of their own hearts? I love the way too people are saying the best horse won and are completely ignoring that if "the best horse" couldn't get off the rail without barging its way out then it wouldn't have won. That's almost as amusing as those saying the filly "got out" as if by some chance a massive gap suddenly opened up and the jockey couldn't believe his luck and so took the opening presented to him. The jockey made his own gap. |
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As I mentioned in an earlier thread the geezer in charge who yesterday was on the telly trying to justify the decision should do the right thing and resign if this is turned over on appeal. What was more interesting is I don't think was a unanimous decision by the beaks. What does that say?
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On a separate matter do any of them ever resign when they make a truly monster gaff? What do they do for their dosh - assuming they are remunerated? How much do you get paid. Giz a job I can do that.
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Finally should the Stewards have interpreters? Not as mad a suggestion as you think. Anybody else would. About fair play and gathering the evidence and not disadvantaging or discrminating.
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I was at Doncaster will post a full review later but I backed "the winner" at 1.17 during the enquiry for £2000 on here that's how sure I was the result should stand (and I don't play at that level or on those type of markets normally) that's how sure I was the result would stand!
I think from speaking to s pro punter later it was in the stewards room where the jockey lost came across as a rabbit in headlights that sealed the fate. A more accomplished performance of confidence he bumped me I bumped him we both kept riding etc would have seen the result stand. I then after a couple of bottles of very good St Emillion got stuck into golden horn pre and post race which thankfully went my way plus bronze angel which turned a horror day into £366+ |
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Why bother to interview the jockeys anyway, it's not a criminal trial
the stewards can see very well just from the video what happened in the race |
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Why bother to interview the jockeys anyway
They issue bans to jockeys (preventing them from working), the procedures would be deemed unfair without listening to the jockey's point of view. |
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But that part should be to ascertain if the jockey is guilty of careless riding or not
As far as changing or keeping the result is concerned, they should be entirely dependent on the video, what the jockey's say should be irrelevant Plenty on her praising the jockey on Bondi Beach, and slagging off Andrea for not speaking his corner, but for me the result of a classic horse race should not be dependent on which jockey gives a better case at the hearing, if that is the case then it's just plain wrong |
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steward--said prize of race never taken into account
shouldn't it be? |
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Getting boxed in in a 1m6f 7 runner race, then barging your way out is fair is it? The first bump was significant and as Colm said it cost him half a length. He is coming back at the filly all the way to the line after getting another bump, then beaten less than a head.
I feel as soon as Atzeni decided to barge his way out he was opening himself to this possibility. He may well have been on the best horse, but due to his riding decisions he got it in a poor position. Thats racing. |
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I have to agree with Lewisham. Evidence is right their in front of the stewards! They can see what has happened, in slow motion and different angles. No jockey is going to go into an enquiry situation and do anything other than try to come out on top. If a steward needs to hear tales of mystery and imagination to come to a conclusion they are in the wrong job.
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"THERE".
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I have'nt seen the race but I would say the stewards have made the correct decision,in all cases where the FAV is involved in a stewards inquiry the FAV should always keep the race or be promoted to first place.
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Sunday forum
Matt ---simple verse --should of kept Weaver -right decision a down - simple verse--hard done by--won't win appeal |
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Out of that bunch, only MC understands the UK rules as they stand, it seems.
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I watched the race for the first time today. Simple Verse was interfered with.
I'm glad they are appealing the decision. |
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" I don't think it was a unanimous decision by the beaks. What does that say?"
In the TV interview afterwards he said we never reveal if it was a unanimous decision or not. And yesterday I certainly don't think it was. I reckon Simple Verse should have kept it. Andrea is a brilliant jockey but agree with some comments on here that he did not argue his case very well, but positively 100% agree with this comment, "the result of a classic horse race should not be dependent on which jockey gives a better case at the hearing." |
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crumbs its ding dong close, but my notion is it's going to be rev'd @ appeal...we'll see
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Atzeni was very poor in the stewards room, he was almost welcoming them to reverse the result.
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Atzeni was also poor in the saddle, should never have got himself boxed in.
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stewards split
new rule has to be unanimous to change result  |
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ANOTHER ONE IN IRELAND TODAY,BET YOU CANT GUESS WHO GOT THE RACE,FAV FAV FAV FAV FAV FAV FAV
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UTTER JOKE,TOTALLY CORRUPT!
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dry your eyes smaller than the machine
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BIGMO GOT U SUSSED
LITTLE MAN |
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 get a new box of tissues hulk said |
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OK
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When the Head Steward came on TV to justify his decision he made no mention of BB leaning into the Filly. It seemed very one sided into what SHE'D done. Hope she gets it on appeal and I would think most people feel the same. Also Colm in his interview was going on about steady pace, weight allowance etc she got but I thought she never 100% relaxed in the race and probably also used energy by not doing so. BB just didn't have the balls to pass her end of.
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can't understand what the weight allowance has got to do with it...
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Nor I but this was one of Colms excuses in his interview for the filly having a better turn of foot over the distance!! Make a great salesman or politician when he retires!!
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Think both sets of stewards call it right yesterday (UK & IRE) imo.
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Both got it wrong for me - Golden Horn should've been demoted behind Free Eagle, & Simple Verse should've kept the race.
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Both got it wrong for me - Golden Horn should've been demoted behind Free Eagle, & Simple Verse should've kept the race.
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IT WAS JUST A COINCIDENCE THEY WERE BOTH FAVS
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Simple Verse will get the race but punters skint..that's the game...Golden Horn maybe Golden Balls...
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Over the rainbow makes a very important point. The stewards seemed to completely ignore that after the initial bump it was Bondi Beach who was leaning into Simple Verse for an extended period. Simple Verse then lightly bumped Bondi Beach. At no time in the last 2 furlongs did Bondi Beach look like getting past Simple Verse. She was undoubtedly still holding him at the line. If the original bump is considered dangerous riding or that alone cost Bondi Beach the race you could argue for a disqualification. Neither of those things seemed the case for me. It was simply a very bad decision under the rules. Quite possibly Atzeni was too 'nice' in the stewards but this should have no effect.
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I agree Asparagus to my mind the best horse past the post first. As I saw it the first incident had little effect on the outcome and the second was six and two threes. Obviously the stewards saw it different and given the margin of defeat overruled it. That is fair enough even though I dont agree with it but I would hate to think that ODonogues assertive and persuasive argument swayed the stewards. To my mind jockeys should be there to answer questions not put forward cases.
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I agree Asparagus to my mind the best horse past the post first. As I saw it the first incident had little effect on the outcome and the second was six and two threes. Obviously the stewards saw it different and given the margin of defeat overruled it. That is fair enough even though I dont agree with it but I would hate to think that ODonogues assertive and persuasive argument swayed the stewards. To my mind jockeys should be there to answer questions not put forward cases.
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