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Not only do they make you sp only in the shops, ban u from putting on bets over the phone, restrict u to peanuts, they then take away your best odds guaranteed without telling u.
Had £100 on 6/4 shot at 11.15. Non runner already at 9.30. No further non runners. Was paid out at 6/4. I phoned up customer services to be told that rule 4 affects all bets no matter what time horse was withdrawn. Tried to explain to him this is wrong but he wouldn't have it. Wouldn't put me thru to a manager, checked with settlers who said they were right and I was wrong.
After arguing the point he eventually went away again and admitted that the actual reason was that I was no longer entitled to bog. I should have been told this but he admitted I wasnt. Still wouldn't put me thru to a manger and said it was tough.
Seriously, these bookies can just do what they like and it appears there is nothing we can do about it.
Had £100 on 6/4 shot at 11.15. Non runner already at 9.30. No further non runners. Was paid out at 6/4. I phoned up customer services to be told that rule 4 affects all bets no matter what time horse was withdrawn. Tried to explain to him this is wrong but he wouldn't have it. Wouldn't put me thru to a manager, checked with settlers who said they were right and I was wrong.
After arguing the point he eventually went away again and admitted that the actual reason was that I was no longer entitled to bog. I should have been told this but he admitted I wasnt. Still wouldn't put me thru to a manger and said it was tough.
Seriously, these bookies can just do what they like and it appears there is nothing we can do about it.
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thanks Deltâ was going to post a string of zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you beat me to it
you beat me to it
or Spoilsports in my case, had a 3/1 winner that went off 6/1 and a 9/2 shot went off 7/1 (£100 on each, acct 2 days old), paid me out at 3/1 and 9/2 citing I wasn't entitled to B.O.G. yet received no email or phone call (a few years ago mind you lol)
pretty sure they have to notify you first , but then again the way its going nothing would surprise me now with these ex-bookmakers
concession not a rule so not sure about that and a pretty good way of getting rid of unwanted custom. not right imho
ALL bookmakers started off as wide boys and spivs - and slowly but surely, that is how they will finish!
Why don't u2 just f### right off? This is a betting forum. There are plenty of people out there who have no idea how bookies actually work.the amount of people who were gobsmacked following the 3 tv programmes recently who didn't believe that bookies could restrict bets was amazing.
I have been restricted and lost bog before but not without being told. Why should I accept a loss on wht I thought I had?
And as for giving up, I have had to accept reducing my stake by at least 50% and the number of bets by 50% also due to not being able to,get on. I would rather win less than lose like I have done the last 3 months.
Big boss - yep, mossgo was the horse.
Sorry for commenting on a forum. Jesus, go and play in the traffic.
I have been restricted and lost bog before but not without being told. Why should I accept a loss on wht I thought I had?
And as for giving up, I have had to accept reducing my stake by at least 50% and the number of bets by 50% also due to not being able to,get on. I would rather win less than lose like I have done the last 3 months.
Big boss - yep, mossgo was the horse.
Sorry for commenting on a forum. Jesus, go and play in the traffic.
Everyone needs to keep contacting Trading Standards whenever this sort of thing happens imo, until eventually they start to look in to the shady PR practices of the books
£50 is £50 siralex - principle of the matter here surely
so its okay for you to post something but not someone who disagrees with you or points out your previous history
aye that makes sense
aye that makes sense
so its okay for you to post something but not someone who disagrees with you or points out your previous history
aye that makes sense
Am sure you could have a scrap in an empty phone box.
aye that makes sense
Am sure you could have a scrap in an empty phone box.
as for not understanding, for someone who only backs tipsters you seem to be taking a long time to realise and many many many many posts to understand what happens when you go down that road,
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siralex 17 Aug 15 16:26
Why don't u2 just f### right off? This is a betting forum. There are plenty of people out there who have no idea how bookies actually work.
Why don't u2 just f### right off? This is a betting forum. There are plenty of people out there who have no idea how bookies actually work.
Shot too soon, but no one in here needs telling again and again and again, we know.
siralex you are in the right imho , bad enough taking away bog as it is without stealing extra aswell , hope you get it sorted
the dealer
as for not understanding, for someone who only backs tipsters you seem to be taking a long time to realise and many many many many posts to understand what happens when you go down that road
I do not arb, I do not follow telephone tipsters, I do not follow Pricewise or Hugh Taylor, yet I cannot get a bet on with ANY of the bookmakers, online or in local shops.
My betting time is now 100% on Betfair.
as for not understanding, for someone who only backs tipsters you seem to be taking a long time to realise and many many many many posts to understand what happens when you go down that road
I do not arb, I do not follow telephone tipsters, I do not follow Pricewise or Hugh Taylor, yet I cannot get a bet on with ANY of the bookmakers, online or in local shops.
My betting time is now 100% on Betfair.
All the same only interested in f.o.b.t.'s.was at a do on Saturday.spoke to a coral manager who told me a lot of managers are taking assistant manager roll cos they're embarrassed themselves at turning bets away.the adverts with the small print ONLY ONLINE cause no end of argument.female customer had broken down in tears after losing too much on bandit during week.apparently customers after having rules explained regarding limits just bet £49.50 a spin and can then do as much as they like in.to be fair my local fredbet is very good.great staff and a good atmosphere.i worked and owned betting shops for28 years but no chance now.
perhaps you should try the the new "bettors forum",you could be their first test case.
and that means BB ??? i dont think anyone on here isnt aware of restrictions.
My betting time is now 100% on Betfair.
Who have nicked all the big punters
. . .. . The ex laddies elites
and now lay them . . instead of getting 3% of the mug money may as well have the lot
Who have nicked all the big punters
. . .. . The ex laddies elites and now lay them . . instead of getting 3% of the mug money may as well have the lot
I don't follow tipsters anymore, I don't back overnight, I don't back more than £50 but once u r banned online and in the shops they don't give u a second chance. That will hill account was my only account I had left that had bog and wasn't restricted massively.
I am happy to have to start betting All over again at a much lower stake but u can't just do that.
I am happy to have to start betting All over again at a much lower stake but u can't just do that.
More than £50 on a new account. Only have 1 old account that is limited to a liability of £250 after 12 o clock.
Know I've posted this before but ladbrokes actually sent me an email.DEAR NIGEL PLACE A BET ON THE OPEN AND IF YOUR GOLFER MISSES THE CUT GET YOUR MONEY BACK UP TO £25.when he missed cut they said it was a mistake I didn't qualify.pointed out they had sent me 25 previous emails.they said they would do me a favour and honour email.told them to stuff it and closed account.they continued to send me emails for a further two weeks.
siralex, betting with bookies is finished (I think this is what the dealer is alluding to), new accounts last about as long as a f@rt in a wind tunnel.
the dealer is basically saying, in a roundabout way, that you should be spending your time trying to make it pay on here and stop whining about being knocked back by the bookies
the dealer is basically saying, in a roundabout way, that you should be spending your time trying to make it pay on here and stop whining about being knocked back by the bookies
i have a bit of sympathy for the guy but fact he bet only profitable tipsters, fact he tried to always get best price, fact he bet the night before.
in the current climate what did he really expect???
its the constant bleating like its only him that is affected that i cant stand. now he expects them to forgive and forget,
like i have said its a concession not a rule, you would like to think they would notify you before withdrawing it but legally i doubt they need to
in the current climate what did he really expect???
its the constant bleating like its only him that is affected that i cant stand. now he expects them to forgive and forget,
like i have said its a concession not a rule, you would like to think they would notify you before withdrawing it but legally i doubt they need to
Big boss, I know what dealer is saying. I wasn't complaining about being knocked back. This is something that hasn't happened to me before so I brought it up,on here.
90% of people in the bookies aren't aware of what really goes on. I assume the other 10% are all on here and don't need telling then!
90% of people in the bookies aren't aware of what really goes on. I assume the other 10% are all on here and don't need telling then!
a friend had an account with W***er
Deposited £ 200 to claim the £ 200 matched bonus
Had 2 bets
£ 30 horse bet @ 7/2 won sp 7/2
£ 55 rugby bet lost
After a week the £ 200 bonus disappeared from the balance , when asked why they sated t&c that the initial deposit must be turned over 8 times to qualify for the bonus, he stated that in his opinion that did not promote responsible gambling.
Better was to follow when he withdraw the £ 250 remaining in the account the request was denied and it was now stated that because a withdrawal request was made before 8 times the initial deposit had not been turned over any winnings were forfeited.
This is sharp practise
Deposited £ 200 to claim the £ 200 matched bonus
Had 2 bets
£ 30 horse bet @ 7/2 won sp 7/2
£ 55 rugby bet lost
After a week the £ 200 bonus disappeared from the balance , when asked why they sated t&c that the initial deposit must be turned over 8 times to qualify for the bonus, he stated that in his opinion that did not promote responsible gambling.
Better was to follow when he withdraw the £ 250 remaining in the account the request was denied and it was now stated that because a withdrawal request was made before 8 times the initial deposit had not been turned over any winnings were forfeited.
This is sharp practise
Dealer - can I just ask what it matters how u make a profit? So what if I backed at top price and followed tipsters? It took me 16 years to have my first profitable year. Bookies have a built in overround on each race. As someone wrote in the racing post today, if they can't make a profit on 1.5% overround per horse then they shouldn't be in the business,
97-98% of punters who bet lose long term. What they actually want is that figure to become 100%. Surely if u can't win u can lose?
They are supposed to be bookies after all.
What about when they restrict u to a fiver at 8/1 but then don't cut the price? I thought they were supposed to play the market not the punter?
97-98% of punters who bet lose long term. What they actually want is that figure to become 100%. Surely if u can't win u can lose?
They are supposed to be bookies after all.
What about when they restrict u to a fiver at 8/1 but then don't cut the price? I thought they were supposed to play the market not the punter?
siralex, I have lost thousands in terms of bookies not honouring B.O.G. over the last 6 years or so, you will find in small print somewhere that BOG can be removed without notification, it isn't etiquette but isn't illegal either.
Have you ran out of friends to give u a laser card?
im not covering stuff that has been gone over and over again. i have never said i agree with it either but on your first point, why would any business want to accomadate someone they cant win off
Dealer fook me mate its gone too far now its stupid
U can't guarantee u will win. I had 16 months where I was betting 'to win' rather than being a mug punter. I lost 5 of these months and won on the other 11. I have since lost another 3 months in a row. I just expected to,be allowed the chance to,try and win that's all!
siralex - your complaints are starting to get repetitive.
You should spend your free time giving thanks that you live in the only country in the world where it is possible to make a profit from betting, clueless of the thing that you are betting on.
You should spend your free time giving thanks that you live in the only country in the world where it is possible to make a profit from betting, clueless of the thing that you are betting on.
Better avitar . . . thank fook your back needed to shake you up a bit
siralex 17 Aug 15 16:44
I don't follow tipsters anymore.
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LOL
After regularly singing the praises of several of them, on here, for the past two years.
These very "Tipsters," being siralex's salvation - and Masterplan - to retrieve his losses from an admission of 10 years or more losing previously.
I don't follow tipsters anymore.
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LOL
After regularly singing the praises of several of them, on here, for the past two years.
These very "Tipsters," being siralex's salvation - and Masterplan - to retrieve his losses from an admission of 10 years or more losing previously.
Why would anyone use bookies when you can have the house on any horse on here? and have the opportunity to lay in running.
Aberdonia if you can get bog and the advertised prices on the C4 races it blows the prices on here out of the water.
The prices on here are after all the sharks have rode lumps out of them and left them like a burst sofa.
aberdonia
17 Aug 15 20:16
Why would anyone use bookies when you can have the house on any horse on here? and have the opportunity to lay in running
In most instances 90% of the value has gone by the time you can have a bet on here and that is why unless you're putting in crazy hours of studying and a shrewdy you finding the little bit of value there is,is miniscule...
17 Aug 15 20:16
Why would anyone use bookies when you can have the house on any horse on here? and have the opportunity to lay in running
In most instances 90% of the value has gone by the time you can have a bet on here and that is why unless you're putting in crazy hours of studying and a shrewdy you finding the little bit of value there is,is miniscule...
siralex 17 Aug 15 17:04 Joined: 12 Apr 07 | Topic/replies: 2,513 | Blogger: siralex's blog
Dealer - can I just ask what it matters how u make a profit? So what if I backed at top price and followed tipsters? It took me 16 years to have my first profitable year. Bookies have a built in overround on each race. As someone wrote in the racing post today, if they can't make a profit on 1.5% overround per horse then they shouldn't be in the business,
97-98% of punters who bet lose long term. What they actually want is that figure to become 100%. Surely if u can't win u can lose?
They are supposed to be bookies after all.
What about when they restrict u to a fiver at 8/1 but then don't cut the price? I thought they were supposed to play the market not the punter?
Says who?
The only bookmakers I can think of who ever did that all went out of business.
Cf. Stephen Little vs the Jibereen mob.
Dealer - can I just ask what it matters how u make a profit? So what if I backed at top price and followed tipsters? It took me 16 years to have my first profitable year. Bookies have a built in overround on each race. As someone wrote in the racing post today, if they can't make a profit on 1.5% overround per horse then they shouldn't be in the business,
97-98% of punters who bet lose long term. What they actually want is that figure to become 100%. Surely if u can't win u can lose?
They are supposed to be bookies after all.
What about when they restrict u to a fiver at 8/1 but then don't cut the price? I thought they were supposed to play the market not the punter?
Says who?
The only bookmakers I can think of who ever did that all went out of business.
Cf. Stephen Little vs the Jibereen mob.
have a look at the pennypincher thread - making a profit from each way doubles - already £1k up after 20 bets
Try looking at those doubles when he's had 500 bets...
Big boss. Legality is a mute point in reference to the 'small print'. You can argue (civil courts) that any 'terms and conditions' are unreasonable. Just because it is in print doesn't mean it will stand that test.
On a more positive note,I backed Dont Touch with Corals on Thursday tea-time for St Wilfred and either through computer malfunction
or staff incompetence there was no rule 4 applied. These bookies are not all bad all the time.
or staff incompetence there was no rule 4 applied. These bookies are not all bad all the time.
Billys took away my BOG without telling me, so reduced bets to next to nothing. Just had a really bad week so had they left me alone they would have got a big chunk on money back. When will these boys learn we cant win all the time so by restricting us they cant win some money back. Totally against the rules of betting, its a too and fro movement. The gaulling thing is my account is hardly bursting at the seams.
No disrespect to the doubles thread but a grand up doesn't mean anything. That's basically 5 points up as he is betting on average £200 a bet. Nothing wrong with that but 5 points profit in 22 days to a level stake is a better way of putting it.
Dpm - that's exactly the problem, bookies aren't just restricting big winning punters they are stopping your average man in the street. Unless u r a complete mug which is what they want then u can't just back what u fancy anymore. The only way of getting decent bets on anymore is just before the off.
Onlooker - it's not that the tipsters aren't any good anymore it's that I have to accept that by backing their horses I won't be able to get the prices advertised or the amounts I want to bet on. Without these factors I end up making a loss so have had to change the way I bet. What's wrong with that? I am just trying to make money, surely that's the aim of everyone on here?
Dpm - that's exactly the problem, bookies aren't just restricting big winning punters they are stopping your average man in the street. Unless u r a complete mug which is what they want then u can't just back what u fancy anymore. The only way of getting decent bets on anymore is just before the off.
Onlooker - it's not that the tipsters aren't any good anymore it's that I have to accept that by backing their horses I won't be able to get the prices advertised or the amounts I want to bet on. Without these factors I end up making a loss so have had to change the way I bet. What's wrong with that? I am just trying to make money, surely that's the aim of everyone on here?
as of today, the bookies traders are simply hedging all money they receive in bets, if they cannot hedge your bets siralex then they don't want your business, ie if you are better than them
any body who bets with street bookies is stupid full stop.
you back a horse with a street bookie and get 5-1 for 10 pound ok , he puts it on betfair at around 7-1 on average so street bookie makes 20 profit if your horse wins.
So if every street bookie puts every bet he takes off the street punter and puts on betfair he will make a profit no matter what with NO risk EVER
Just watch channel 4 when they interview a racecourse bookie saying he got hit for 6 cos a fav came in. That is total rubbish when you put a bet with racecourse bookie he tells his colleague 10 pound number 6 at 5-2 his mate then types in the bet on the laptop on one of the exchange sites so what ever wins the bookie wins NO RISK
So stick with betfair bigger odds every time. why take 33-1 on the street when you get 80s or more on exchange sites
no brainer and if anyone doesn't understand this they shouldn't be betting and their parents should be informed
Regards
you back a horse with a street bookie and get 5-1 for 10 pound ok , he puts it on betfair at around 7-1 on average so street bookie makes 20 profit if your horse wins.
So if every street bookie puts every bet he takes off the street punter and puts on betfair he will make a profit no matter what with NO risk EVER
Just watch channel 4 when they interview a racecourse bookie saying he got hit for 6 cos a fav came in. That is total rubbish when you put a bet with racecourse bookie he tells his colleague 10 pound number 6 at 5-2 his mate then types in the bet on the laptop on one of the exchange sites so what ever wins the bookie wins NO RISK
So stick with betfair bigger odds every time. why take 33-1 on the street when you get 80s or more on exchange sites
no brainer and if anyone doesn't understand this they shouldn't be betting and their parents should be informed
Regards
just had this today even though message stated APR 01 2015
Following a review of your account, we regret to inform you that you are no longer eligible for any
William Hill Online Sports and Racing offers. This means you will no longer receive football promotions
such as Acca Insurance, Scorer 2nd Chance and Bore Draw, as well as Best Odds Guaranteed and
Money Back 2nd for Horse and Greyhound racing.
This is in line with the terms and conditions applicable to each promotional offer.
Except as stated above, your William Hill account will continue to operate as normal and you shall
remain eligible for all other William Hill promotional offers.
Kind regards,
The William Hill Team
Following a review of your account, we regret to inform you that you are no longer eligible for any
William Hill Online Sports and Racing offers. This means you will no longer receive football promotions
such as Acca Insurance, Scorer 2nd Chance and Bore Draw, as well as Best Odds Guaranteed and
Money Back 2nd for Horse and Greyhound racing.
This is in line with the terms and conditions applicable to each promotional offer.
Except as stated above, your William Hill account will continue to operate as normal and you shall
remain eligible for all other William Hill promotional offers.
Kind regards,
The William Hill Team
I had that in last week DOP and for good measure again today! Actually the first time I tried to bet after the first email it was flagged up on the slip bet not placed because BOG not in force. So I ended up with an extra reminder. Went to place the wager again and it went through fine but not BOG. Seems it is purging season for Hills.
The only bookmakers I can think of who ever did that all went out of business.
Cf. Stephen Little vs the Jibereen mob.
....and I thought Stephen exited 10s of millions better off than when he started.
Cf. Stephen Little vs the Jibereen mob.
....and I thought Stephen exited 10s of millions better off than when he started.
If it was going so well, why did he give up after Jibereen?
I haven't noticed him selling his mansion on Millionaires' Row, nor have I seen his Roller in Autotrader.
Fair enough, but bookmaking with no regard to the identity of the punters he was laying clearly wasn't the way he earned them. Otherwise he wouldn't have laid the faces backing Jibereen that day, and it wouldn't have led to him having to admit he couldn't make a book any longer against people like that.
He may have come to the conclusion that the race was fixed all by himself, but obviously 99% of people with a view would have reinforced that conspiracy theory.
The draw for the race very much raises eyebrows but the fact was that the 2nd fav was trying for his life, but unfortunately got away slowly, something he had done on previous occasions during his career. The reason I know? I was involved in a thorough pre race discussion on how to win the race which included the jockey himself who was desperate to rain on Murphy's parade.
The draw for the race very much raises eyebrows but the fact was that the 2nd fav was trying for his life, but unfortunately got away slowly, something he had done on previous occasions during his career. The reason I know? I was involved in a thorough pre race discussion on how to win the race which included the jockey himself who was desperate to rain on Murphy's parade.
Stephen was already having a bad year, probably his worst, he may have thought that times were changing but he was millions in front when he walked away.
Not disputing that, but I didn't label him as an example of a bookie going bust, but of a bookie going out of business after laying the market rather than the punter, and he clearly did go out of business after laying the kind of people you really shouldn't have been laying in a race like that.
Aug 18, 2015 -- 2:07PM, skinner1889 wrote:
any body who bets with street bookies is stupid full stop.you back a horse with a street bookie and get 5-1 for 10 pound ok , he puts it on betfair at around 7-1 on average so street bookie makes 20 profit if your horse wins.So if every street bookie puts every bet he takes off the street punter and puts on betfair he will make a profit no matter what with NO risk EVERJust watch channel 4 when they interview a racecourse bookie saying he got hit for 6 cos a fav came in. That is total rubbish when you put a bet with racecourse bookie he tells his colleague 10 pound number 6 at 5-2 his mate then types in the bet on the laptop on one of the exchange sites so what ever wins the bookie wins NO RISKSo stick with betfair bigger odds every time. why take 33-1 on the street when you get 80s or more on exchange sitesno brainer and if anyone doesn't understand this they shouldn't be betting and their parents should be informedRegards
I understand on-course books are bad for this but the major books don't lay off to a major extent.
Stephen had spent his career laying the market, it was how he made his millions. He never had a view but trusted the overround to provide him with a safety net and that he could lay sufficient runners at the right price by waiting for the market to fully form before he went up.
Your point about the unsavoury characters involved in the Jibereen fiasco is a fair one. The principle character involved was my least favourite individual in all my time on course.
I think Stephen could have recovered from that particular setback. THEY cant fix every event!
However, like you and myself he must have concluded that the best days on course were being eroded by the influence of the exchanges and that it was better to quit whilst still ahead.
And ahead he certainly was.
Your point about the unsavoury characters involved in the Jibereen fiasco is a fair one. The principle character involved was my least favourite individual in all my time on course.
I think Stephen could have recovered from that particular setback. THEY cant fix every event!
However, like you and myself he must have concluded that the best days on course were being eroded by the influence of the exchanges and that it was better to quit whilst still ahead.
And ahead he certainly was.
On course bookies lay everything off just go to ROYAL ASCOT you will see
regards
regards
Fair enough, loper. Good discussion.
...and major books all have pitches since the dawn of time. At the end of the day they are bankers not bookmakers that died out 40 years ago. Why is every bookmaker just about the same price every event
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