Bet Placers

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Cmon guys. Can,t believe no one wants to make 20% + to stake for a little bit of running around. Been making money every year for over 20 years.

Maybe flat punters are all winners??

Would you not worry that the placer would just pocket your money?

Very much doubt racinguru is that daft.

I would try to help you racing but on a saturday im at it myself mate.

All the best

What amounts you placing guru, shops prob not take anything above 50

Have you had bet placers from the forum before ?

I recall a similar request a while back.

Think he did holly.

Good on him if he is giving the high street sharks a smack in the kisser.

There is always the chance that someone pockets the money but I start the person off small. It's a matter of building trust ultimately and once they realize the value of the info they are getting they want want to kill the golden goose.

No one has done a runner in the three years I,be had people from here doing it or the five years prior when it's been friends and friends of friends doing it.

I see ladcrooks doing best odds 12-1 and 5-6

I'm sure betfred still do best odds on 6 races

Do paddies still offer best odds 11-12 or 12-1???

Average bets are around 1000 split amongst various placers and online. Yes I,ve posted b4 and have 1 guy from here for 3 years, 3 more that have done for 1 year and 2 or 3 new for next year. Just trying to get one or 2 more as with corals/lad merging there will be one less set of early morning odds which will affect profitability unless I can increase turnover.

Don't Paddy's do BOG every race? We had one open in our town about two years ago and they're BOG every race.

Shame hills dont do bog in shop

Just trying to get one or 2 more as with corals/lad merging there will be one less set of early morning odds which will affect profitability unless I can increase turnover.

They have merged mate, and will carry on with seperate trading teams for the foreseeable future so i have been told

Only at a certain time kenners.

RG , I will be a putereronerer for you if I can place the bets on here , 5 minutes before the off

cheers

RG

How much do the placers make per year?

Pablo  -if that is supposed to be funny then I missed it. If not read the OP.

Marko they should double to 1.5 times their bank in a season so if they start with a 10k bank they,lol prolly make 12-15k for about 11 hours max a week normally 8-10 hours.

Pablo  -if that is supposed to be funny then I missed it

you mean you want me to type it again ?

It was a joke RG

RG

Do you ever back every horse in a particular race with the BOG firms and work to 100% and look for drifters winning, depending on amount of outlay a single point drift and can give nice return and paddies seem quite generous with their non runner rules

Once vetted how much do you expect each runner to be putting on per bet ?

marko - no i don't play that game - i often do 2 in a race and occasionally 3/4 in a big hcap on sat.

Olias - depends on the odds but take out of

contd ..... takeout of

RG

handicap chases are best for full race coverage, 3-7 runners, prices fluctuate best with these and often get drifters winning

OK lets say you are backing a 5/1 shot how much would a runner be putting on once vetted ?

Marko - yes i know there is potential profit in betting that angle but my online accounts are too valuable to me to get them restricted for low margin betting plus the bog offer doesn't tend to last too long with any of my accounts.

Olias - probably 100 for the new placer, 200 - 300 for the placers that have done it for a while.

I would love to know how people put 100,200,300 on in the shops.
I went to a new shop today, wanted £62.50 win at 7/1 and had to be phoned up and that was at 4pm for an evening race.
I had putters on for a while and they all got made sp only within 2 weeks. And that was Betting no more than £50.
I got refused £75 in Manchester City centre at badbrokes on a 4/1 shot at 10am on the grounds they have gangs going round all the shops in the area putting on money on the same horse!

How do you possibly expect a placer to get 300 quid on in a shop, its simply not possible even in multiple shops they will be flagged within 3 or 4 bets. Even if they place it in around 5 city shops at less than best price thats still 60 quid a bet which will have them banned inside a couple of weeks. I presumed you was going to say that you want 100 people to put 10 quid on for you and maybe 5 quid for themselves

Siralex - agreed its not easy but if you are betting arbs on bf then you have no chance. My bet placers split up their bets depending on who is managing the shop etc. They get to know the cashiers etc and what they can get on.

I never arb racing guru just take best price. I know every shop within 25 miles and all the staff but they all speak to each other and once the area manager is aware of u they ban u from all the shops.
If u put 25 or less on then u r fine but once u hit the 50 and above mark u r screwed, at least where I live u r!

racingguru - I'm sure you know the limit that each shop will take at the price you want. How much of that do you ask your placers to bet for you?

racningguru i know the chap who runs my local Corals there are two shops in my town both Coral

they will take any bet, only betting shop in the town

I'm happy to place for you

Bondy - will you edit the price or winnings you pick up though??

no mate

The bet placers I have, have experienced issues in certain shops for sure and one of them in particular who lives in a small town can't do multiple bets at various Hills shops for examples but they can all get on decent enough amounts.

I guess maybe because the horses I'm doing are not bad e/w's, not arbs on betfair and are not tipping line stuff where they are linking it to sharp activity online that I'm able to get on.

Really getting on 1000 - 1500 isn't that hard when split with a few runners and online. I don't expect it all will be at best price but I end up with an average price thats still way ahead of bfsp. I guess having good margins affords you that luxury. Also 40-50% of my turnover is Saturday so seems easier especially after 9am.

they will take any bet, only betting shop in the town

I'm sure that they will from you; you're not exactly the fizziest drink in the fridge.

Best of luck Guru, here is a potted history of my journey and my experience with runners

https://markatsmartersig.wordpress.com/2015/04/21/transition-from-bookie-to-betfair/

Olias - sent you a PM.

Any others interested?

This isn't proving to be as successful in attracting interest as in previous years

Because we cant get on mate, i would of thought?? Its getting harder and harder

Let me know please

I'm interested. Pm me

What you wanna do to attract putter-onners from here, is proof your bets to the forum (after you're on, of course), keep it all to one thread, and once peeps see how successful you are, you'll be having to turn people away there will be so many PM'ing you!

Notwhat - sent you a PM

George - I have spreadsheets from many previous years and all the other bet placers can verify I'm genuine. Further I'm looking for placers starting this Oct and thats when i start again. I don't want people to show interest in mid Dec and be on board for mid Jan (takes a little time) as half the season will have gone. Any prospective bet placer will know in 2 weeks that I am genuine as 95% of my bets all get backed in heavily win or lose.

I'm not sure if it was racingguru or not, but someone was asking a few years ago and said he wouldn't pay you for putting on his bets, but you could benefit from his knowledge and back them yourself.


I didn't think it worth all the running around

yes that was me - I had a post here 4 years ago from which I got my first placer from here( 3 years he's been doing now), then every year thereafter I've posted. I got two new guys last year and have 2 new guys for this year and looking for 1/2 more.

racingguru, do you do all your own work, or are you essentially an 'agent' for the jockeys, so they can get their bets on?

Own work (own ratings developed over many many years) - never had a tip in 30 years betting that i'd considered genuine other than once when I overheard Nicky Henderson talking to an owner that he was really sweet on Alone Success for the Triumph. I haven't been to the track in donkeys years now - its all work I'm afraid.

I wasn't implying they were tips. I was intrigued by your '95% of my bets all get backed in heavily win or lose' comment, made me wonder if you were one of the 'insiders', if you get my drift!

Well excuse my little 'joke' about the jockeys, and good luck with the recruiting!

I think its a fallacy that horses that shorten come from inside money. Sure sometimes its true but more often it comes from people with ratings. Some from people who have bad ratings who live in hope that a horse will somehow rekindle past glories and some from those who have good ratings and understanding of the game/trainers mind.

You said your average bet is around £1000 and I was struggling to see how that would result in '95% of my bets all get backed in heavily win or lose'.

So you're saying there is a ratings mob out there who force the prices of these horse / your selections down?

Yes absolutely. Remember my bet maybe 1k and even if there are 2/3 other people with similar ratings to me, with the bet placers they'd be at least 5k going down on a selection at a similar time.

last ttt. Got some fairly interesting replies. Hope 1 or 2 pan out.

Past performance does not guarantee future results. You should not rely on any past performance as a guarantee of future investment performance

You could be running around placing bets for Racingguru and end up losing money and betting banned from all the local bookies and online

big aitch - nothing will guarantee future results, but it helps if you have years of results to back up your claims. If you are a good punter longterm it doesn't just change overnight surely.

I placed for him last year and the results were very impressive, yes of course anyone will have issues getting on due to beating sp and profit, and accounts will get shut/restricted - that is the hardest part.

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If you're still  looking, I'm interested. Live In Ireland too. Can't pm you for some reason though?

always - sent you a PM.

you are going to trust your money with strangers wow

bruno you could benefit from a little more exposure to humans : it's really not hard to make an accurate risk/reward assesment re 'handing money to strangers' .

str

to be mistrustful (frightened) of someone only on the basis that they are unknown to you is a misjudgement

tell the banks that

but banks are idiots.   that is well known.  I wouldn't be comforted atall by their endorsement.

i never trust anyone when it comes to money anymore with past experiences

just because one person in ten, or a hundered, or a thousand, will do a runner with your money is factored in to the whole /risk/reward thing.

I've had those experiences to bruno, i've got better at judging people over the years.  i still get let down occasionally, which sharpens up my judgement even more

by the time I'm 100 years old I 'll be smart enough to never get ripped off

yep there is too many with sticky fingers about trust is a big thing for me personaly and i wouldnt get that with people i dont know

it's wise to know one's limits , as you do.

stay safe and stay in the game. Those are two of my most deeply held priciples.

Yes racingguru may well be of interest me - is it possible to tell me more ?

Might help if i can write correctly ! - yes racingguru i may well be interested.

I'm pretty much full for this year unless one of the new guys falls out but PM me if you want more details for the future or if someone backs out.