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Speculative a Non Runner

Oldgit1

25 Jul 15 15:42

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How do the layers here feel about it?

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Report Tatie Baron • July 25, 2015 3:44 PM BST

Ante post backers still cooked I take it?

Report roida • July 25, 2015 3:45 PM BST

ante post cancelled on day of race

Report unclepuncle • July 25, 2015 3:48 PM BST

Betfair have settled my lay bet on Heavens Guest (backed it at 16/1 with Ladbrokes) without reducing it for Speculative Bid being an official non-runner, and have settled my win bet on Specualtive Bid as a loser???? Surely that is wrong???

Report Oldgit1 • July 25, 2015 3:48 PM BST

It was one of the two I backed in the race and still shows as a loser on my Betfair account. I also had it in an Exacta and Tricast and in multiple bets.

Report unclepuncle • July 25, 2015 3:48 PM BST

^ Should add all above bets placed after final declarations.

Report Keefter • July 25, 2015 3:50 PM BST

a real headache for anyone who did a B2L on the winner.. I hope you were well clear of the R4...

Report Facts • July 25, 2015 3:50 PM BST

Reg. R4 applies to price at time of withdrawal, not what it was when you placed the bet.

Report Aladdin Sane • July 25, 2015 3:50 PM BST

Just contacted Betfair who have stated that it's a N/R on their Sportsbook but a runner on the exchange

Report EvgenyKissin • July 25, 2015 3:51 PM BST

Is there anything official from the stewards about this? I telephoned a bookmaker and they said it came under orders.

Report Keefter • July 25, 2015 3:52 PM BST

all markets on Bf are settled based on the offical result, if its officially a NR then the market HAS to be resettled.

Report unclepuncle • July 25, 2015 3:53 PM BST

Carnage.

Report siralex • July 25, 2015 3:53 PM BST

This is surely an example of when the bookies hide behind rule 4 and settle as per their best interests.
Horse was 10/1 this morning when bets placed on heavens guest at 12/1 yet only 4/1 when declared a non runner.
Either a 20p or a 5p deduction. I know which one they will be choosing.

Report dave1357 • July 25, 2015 3:54 PM BST

Jul 25, 2015 -- 9:50AM, Aladdin Sane wrote:

Just contacted Betfair who have stated that it's a N/R on their Sportsbook but a runner on the exchange

just being clueless they have to resettle. They knew there was a stewards so they shouldn't have settled.

Report getintheir • July 25, 2015 3:58 PM BST

withdraw.. withdraw lol

Report revs • July 25, 2015 4:00 PM BST

so what happens with ante post bets - are they settled as losers?

Report unclepuncle • July 25, 2015 4:02 PM BST

revs
25 Jul 15 16:00

so what happens with ante post bets - are they settled as losers?

Antepost bets on Speculative Bid should be lost whatever the stewards decided.

Report unclepuncle • July 25, 2015 4:04 PM BST

I backed Heavens Guest at 16/1 yesterday morning and was settled at the full odds by Ladbrokes - no rule 4 at all depsite all the non runners, even before Speculative Bid was made a n/r.
I withdrew my winnings straight away but won't be surprised if it gets kicked back and resettled.

Report siralex • July 25, 2015 4:37 PM BST

Yep, mine was settled originally with.no rule 4 but has been taken away and re-settled with a 20p rule 4 deduction.

Report par • July 25, 2015 4:39 PM BST

I am utterly amazed it is deemed a non runner.

They have opened a can of worms now.

Remember Eshtiaal at Perth, jockey never got near the start line yet was deemed a runner.

Report Tatie Baron • July 25, 2015 4:39 PM BST

Checked with Coral live chat, settled as a loser ante post as per rules.

Report Facts • July 25, 2015 4:42 PM BST

I thought Ante post rules became void on the morning of the race ?

Report unclepuncle • July 25, 2015 4:46 PM BST

Antepost rules are valid until final declarations, then it's 'day of race' rules.

Report Tatie Baron • July 25, 2015 4:49 PM BST

'All in run or not' Facts. Just wondered if they might have waived the rules for a bit of PR but obviously not. They don't have to after all and I'm not complaining.

Report Tatie Baron • July 25, 2015 5:04 PM BST

He has now been deemed a runner after all. I give up!

Report dave1357 • July 25, 2015 5:06 PM BST

Jul 25, 2015 -- 10:39AM, par wrote:

I am utterly amazed it is deemed a non runner.They have opened a can of worms now.Remember Eshtiaal at Perth, jockey never got near the start line yet was deemed a runner.

exactly - I actually thought that that would have been deemed a non under the fair start rule, but not the slightest murmur from anyone

Report xmoneyx • July 25, 2015 5:33 PM BST

skybet

We're refunding ALL bets on fav Speculative Bid in the International Stakes at Ascot after the jockey was unseated coming out of the stalls

jockey never came out stalls

Report xmoneyx • July 25, 2015 5:35 PM BST

William Hill

3:15 #Ascot - Speculative Bid was deemed a runner in the end, so we are resettling with no Rule 4 and refunding bets on the favourite.
5:32pm - 25 Jul 15

Report xmoneyx • July 25, 2015 5:37 PM BST

only ladcroakes not refunding

Report flash bookie • July 25, 2015 6:53 PM BST

are corals refunding on speculative ?thanx in advance

Report xmoneyx • July 25, 2015 7:00 PM BST

corals tweeted this before the fcuk up

As Speculative Bid has been officially declared a non runner, we are refunding all bets

Report flash bookie • July 25, 2015 7:04 PM BST

thanx moneyx that has eased today as I had £25 e/w with quarrels this morning in shop and wasn.t sure where I stood.so money back 4me ?

Report xmoneyx • July 25, 2015 7:10 PM BST

id phone corals

bet365 aren't refunding
WH are

Report posy • July 25, 2015 7:16 PM BST

well done skybet...treated as a non runner

Report Oldgit1 • July 25, 2015 8:14 PM BST

I had it in a double with Bet Victor and they marked it as VOID. Made no difference the other one lost.

Report Fashion Fever • July 25, 2015 8:59 PM BST

i backed heavens guest ew at 12/1 this mornig with pp, and backed speculative bid at 10/1 ew with joes, and at 9/1 ew with baldy in the shops.

went to the gym after channel 4 racing thinking it hardly make any difference to me if i was i had a no deduction on heaven guest and lost speculation bid stakes, or the other way round, oh god im confused now !

anyone shed any light ? will i be refunded on SB at joes and baldy, ? and what deductions to HG.

guess ill find it out tueday morning when i stick the goodwood bets on

anyway dont it let if fester lads

Report The Wizard Of Oz • July 25, 2015 9:09 PM BST

I backed SB with Joes, Fred and the Magic sign and was refunded all of the bets. I know my mate had a bet with 395 and they refunded.

By talking to my mate who is a manager in one, no deduction is made on winning bets on HG!

Hope this clarifies it for you!

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