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And finding so much for pressure? No expert, but no other trainer seems to consistently produce horses who find so much under the gun.
Is there a way you can train a horse to be like that? If so, why aren't other trainers doing it?
Is there a way you can train a horse to be like that? If so, why aren't other trainers doing it?
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plenty drop out the back of the screen too thuunder.
most will run from the front and stay a bit further than the trip they are running over, i don't think there is much more to it. If they are well handicapped they stay there if not they might be tailed off running like that.
most will run from the front and stay a bit further than the trip they are running over, i don't think there is much more to it. If they are well handicapped they stay there if not they might be tailed off running like that.
Consistent not a word I would associate with Johnston .
Probably fair to say that the large majority of Johnston runners arrive at the races very fit.
a friend of mine who use to be in racing told me that it might be that he feeds the horses with a high vitamin content feed for a period of time and then stops as you cant keep feeding it to them with out affecting their health and then start feeding it again.but this was a view and not fact.but would explain how they run a few bad races then come back into form
sinnerman - very interesting theory. Presumably a blood test taken during the enriched feeding period would indicate when a horse is likely to be at its physical peak. If true I'd wager many of his better handicappers are back on the enriched feed to run at Goodwood next week, placed back in the 'right' races...
For all his runners and winners he doesnt have many top class horses, when was his last one, Attraction ?
Only downside with that theory, Sinnerman, is that they're clueless gamblers; not great when the money's down.
Handtorofe
Midlander....how does that square with your consistency theory!!!!
Midlander....how does that square with your consistency theory!!!!
Ibrahima - Nahoodh must have been rated similar to Attraction? As you say he doesn't get many top class horses, though he does lose some of the better ones to Godolphin...
ThunderRoad 24 Jul 15 16:10
And finding so much for pressure? No expert, but no other trainer seems to consistently produce horses who find so much under the gun.
Is there a way you can train a horse to be like that?
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BUT - EVERY horse is a separate individual...
You simply cannot do JUST that with ALL horses - and ALWAYS get the SAME result.
It defies both logic and NATURE.
And finding so much for pressure? No expert, but no other trainer seems to consistently produce horses who find so much under the gun.
Is there a way you can train a horse to be like that?
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BUT - EVERY horse is a separate individual...
You simply cannot do JUST that with ALL horses - and ALWAYS get the SAME result.
It defies both logic and NATURE.
Any horse who shows above average ability can finish up with Godolphin although the stable is financially compensated for the loss.
Telepathic midlander one horse out of a string of over 200,their horses tend to go off boil when they are very short say below 2/1 like resonant last week.
Surprise surprise - 6/4 Fav at Newmarket not in the first four!! Form figures of 32 in it's only 2 runs - needs a few duck eggs before it can be backed with confidence!!
Are some of you guys for real.......every trainer in the land gets beat with short priced horses and Midlander not the only consistent runner in the stable.
The only consistent factor is criticism of MJ from people who couldnt train white mice to sh*t.
The only consistent factor is criticism of MJ from people who couldnt train white mice to sh*t.
Only downside with that theory, Sinnerman, is that they're clueless gamblers; not great when the money's down
Obviously didn't see the gamble landed yesterday.
Obviously didn't see the gamble landed yesterday.
Simple thought processes and logic seem to escape you so training horses is probably well without your compass.......How about New Caledonia? what fantasy occupies your imagination with this one?
TheBaron - 12/1 to 9/2 on course in less than 10 minutes.
IS - took a long time for folks to realise it was overpriced. 75 left in the Gimcrack at this stage, you gonna back em all.
Yes New Caledonia very consistent finished tailed off first time,but horse green as grass so no problem with me.
Handtorofe
Atlantic Affair......another favourite goes in .....surely some mistake!!this will keep your head buzzing....get another hobby.
Atlantic Affair......another favourite goes in .....surely some mistake!!this will keep your head buzzing....get another hobby.
Cost me. I layed at 12.00 backed down 3 mins before off to 6.4. All the signs of a good gamble.
Backed Atlantic affair ir after watching Gaye horse pulling like a train thanks
True blackbarn, is was also entered in other stake races (tho by sales). Epsom is a challenging track to make your debut on imo.
ThunderRoad 24 Jul 15 16:10
And finding so much for pressure? No expert, but no other trainer seems to consistently produce horses who find so much under the gun.
Is there a way you can train a horse to be like that? If so, why aren't other trainers doing it?
Martin Pipe was the first .
And finding so much for pressure? No expert, but no other trainer seems to consistently produce horses who find so much under the gun.
Is there a way you can train a horse to be like that? If so, why aren't other trainers doing it?
Martin Pipe was the first .
He has ENLACE tomorrow at 3:15 Ascot and is a 3 year old, will be interesting to read his comments of why he put him in the race and not Mister Universe who was gambled into 12s but not declared for the race.... and ENLACE was last in.
He doesn't know what to do with enlace, but who would!. We'll see
42 winners this month,different gear would be amazing if he made the 50 in a month bet that hasn't happened very often!
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He trains them a lot harder than other trainers are willing to do, the 7/8 year old...hell, even a 5/6 year old, only one I can remember is oriental fox and he had a 2 year break
The horses don't last, I was told by a trainer, never buy a Johnston horse from a sale or a claimer, they are burnt out by the time you get them, so he takes short term views with a lot of his horses, he works them hard, some thrive for it, then you get some who don't and that's why he gets pleb of exposed maidens, just don't take to the regime.
It's also a contributing factor to him not getting too many top class horses, they can't be trained like that generally, need time and he isn't the type of trainer to give it them, all about winners, not prize money
The horses don't last, I was told by a trainer, never buy a Johnston horse from a sale or a claimer, they are burnt out by the time you get them, so he takes short term views with a lot of his horses, he works them hard, some thrive for it, then you get some who don't and that's why he gets pleb of exposed maidens, just don't take to the regime.
It's also a contributing factor to him not getting too many top class horses, they can't be trained like that generally, need time and he isn't the type of trainer to give it them, all about winners, not prize money
He is having a lot of winners but like yesterday a lot were given soft leads with no pace,even at York where you expect a
good pace his runner given a uncontested lead even though it was as green as grass.British racing seems to be going down the French route where they just race for the last 3 furlongs,sad to see so many horses pulling so hard and never being given a chance.
good pace his runner given a uncontested lead even though it was as green as grass.British racing seems to be going down the French route where they just race for the last 3 furlongs,sad to see so many horses pulling so hard and never being given a chance.
A good post Crewebish I was at Doncaster sales a few years back and was tempted to bid for one of his cast offs
but was told not to which turned out to be good advice.
but was told not to which turned out to be good advice.
Mister Universe reported as injured.
His philosophy in the Sun this AM "we are great believers in running horses in races for money rather than running them up and down the gallops at home for nothing"
He runs horses for "owners" who pay the bills not for punters, if I was an owner that is how I would want it.
His philosophy in the Sun this AM "we are great believers in running horses in races for money rather than running them up and down the gallops at home for nothing"
He runs horses for "owners" who pay the bills not for punters, if I was an owner that is how I would want it.
Is he any less consistent than the other trainers who have lots runners and lots of winners such as O'Meara and Hannon?
Last 3 seasons 215,216,207 winners !!!!never dipped below 100 for the last 21 seasons for a trainer who started with 8 horses.
With training a racehorse I think every aspect of care is important, and Mark Johnston's veterinary knowledge must be valuable to him as a trainer. Martin Pipe in his early days done a lot of studying into veterinary topics, and even attended the Worcestershire College of Agriculture equine studies course. Michael Dickinson had been another licensed trainer to attend that course. So I suppose learning about the inner workings of a horse must help you in the way you train them.
A few of his horses ran shockers today telepathic bet you didnt see that coming.
What a complete ignorant **** you are proving to be....I can believe it only 553 contributions in 9 years,
every one a downer.Sitting waiting for something to happen which might prove your twisted logic......pillock!!!
every one a downer.Sitting waiting for something to happen which might prove your twisted logic......pillock!!!
Chadic another for the boys
Or possibly a repeat of his win last time out.
Or possibly a repeat of his win last time out.
Telepathic I just call it as I see it Fanning 15/53 rides finished last or 2nd last and a lot were fancied suppose you
could call that consistent.
could call that consistent.
Well if you are a qualified vet it makes things alot cheaper and easier as you dont have to pay yourself and are automatically are issued the current list of banned substances but like bf there is a way around that so either study or copy .
The latest fix is liquid breathing and reportedly there is a way which is untraceable.
Google it.
Google it.
If that is your understanding of consistency then YES. However your twisted view is not a runner in normal logic.
You like to quote figures MJ has a 25% strike rate ,last week he had 17 winners and you were not around till runners started to under perform.
I call it as I see it and you are not worth the effort.bye
You like to quote figures MJ has a 25% strike rate ,last week he had 17 winners and you were not around till runners started to under perform.
I call it as I see it and you are not worth the effort.bye
Telepathic 25 percent strike is for 2y olds this year only overall has averaged 14 percent over last 5 years on turf,which
is still not a bad win figure ratio, I just dont like the fact they hose up one week and run like a drain the next.
is still not a bad win figure ratio, I just dont like the fact they hose up one week and run like a drain the next.
How can anyone have a bet when he has a runner in the race ,ur on them they look runners they are devoid you are not on them they look a million they win 
An amazing Mark Johnston stat:
12 of his last 14 horses have finished in the last 3 in their race
Then bang 20/1 PU last time out scoots home
12 of his last 14 horses have finished in the last 3 in their race
Then bang 20/1 PU last time out scoots home
at goodwood you either doint back any or back all those at the bigger odds!
its beyond belief tbh on its best form you couldnt back it pulled up and year off how can anyone bet it ?
Blue Wave 25 £20.00 £480.00 
goodwood paid for already
goodwood paid for already
Cant see how anyone could bet the horse WP wonders ... Was obviously some money for as sp 23 on here as I scrolled down I fully expected to see 230
Was off injured but doesnt remember what injury was.Well done Wondersobright nice tickle.
Unless you've been in hibernation for 20 years you'll be aware that MJ targets the meeting. You knew it would be trying, was kept in the yard by connections after a year off, and won off a higher mark.
He doesn't run his horses for the benefit of punters, he runs them for prize money and takes the view that if they're going to run at home, they may as well have a go on the track as they might earn something. As for looking a million dollars, you won't see many from there that don't, doesn't mean theyre going to nail a 11111111. BTW WTF is a "qualified vet" ? Do you get unqualified vets in some places ?
BTW WTF is a "qualified vet" ? Do you get unqualified vets in some places ?
Incredible training performance to produce a career best after injury and so long off.
TiptheOdds - you are bang on and whatever injury the horse had, it evidently didn't affect his ability.
Not that hard Tiger. Johnston isn't working as a vet, but he has the qualifications to do the job.
Personally I reckon you will on average always get a decent effort from his horses
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