golden horn 130 - seems a bit steep
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gordon, western hymn is a group 2 winning horse who ran almost exactly to form with TGG for his group 1 ascot running, 10f on gf, (if you consider TGG didnt get a clear run)...
if only all races were this straight forward  |
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yes time will tell - sure the owner is delighted at the rating and only makes retirement this year more likely
i think this particular rating is more about potential than substance, I simply don't believe either the derby or eclipse warrant a 130 rating in comparison to some of the champions mentioned earlier in this thread |
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have you ever rated a race?
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no but sea the stars, dancing brave, pebbles, brigadier gerard and mill reef would all beat golden horn over 1m to 1m4f
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so if golden horn had gone off harder he would have beaten them further?
you are talking out of your fkin arse my friend have a good day |
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wonderbright one minute you point to the sectional times (or pace) affecting the accuracy of the collateral rating then when your logic is applied and doesnt work for you you suddenly do a u turn,
 anyway look on the bright side, i'm sure golden horn will get beaten at some point and you'll be able to claim you were right all along, rotfl |
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Remember this is the forum that rated Sire De Grugy 180+ for winning a 3 runner handicap.
The rating is not far off I dont think all things considered, the farcical race scenario and WFA in the Eclipse muddies the water but I think had he been allowed to race more naturally off the Championship gallop that you normally get in the Eclipse, he would have won in a more visually impressive manner and by further. 128 seems about right to me but he could improve on that in a properly run King George, 130-132 potential in that race. The POW and Queen Anne form got destroyed in the Eclipse, two of the best races for older horses first half of the season, and with the Derby form backing up in the Irish equivalent its hard to argue against a high rating at the minute, there isnt a horse in Europe just now who would beat Golden Horn on a conventional track. Golden Horn, Gleneagles and Jack Hobbs appear to be a level above any of the older horses who admittedly, are nothing special. I think Golden Horn will win the King George and Jack Hobbs the Arc and they will both end up overrated as a result of the lack of quality in the divisions . |
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yeah, sire de grugy one hundred and eighty was a particular highlight of last seasonusing v similar principles as demonstrated on this thread...x beat y 10 lengths therefore its rating is z...bowlarks |
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i think solow, treve, free eagle and any number of potential Japanese/Australian challengers will have a say in who ends up winning the major autumn races.
The POW and Queen Anne form got destroyed in the Eclipse, two of the best races for older horses first half of the season, and with the Derby form backing up in the Irish equivalent its hard to argue against a high rating at the minute, there isnt a horse in Europe just now who would beat Golden Horn on a conventional track. it really doesn't matter the 'prestige' of the race, i doubt anyone considers TGG, WH, CM or T as champions so until and unless GH beats one who is, then for me he's behind some of the eclipse winners I've mentioned and far behind many of the KG/Champion Stakes/Arc winners. let's hope he gets a chance to prove himself worthy of the rating because till now i can't see it |