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Do what you want folks - it is a free for all.
Heavily backed winners handed uncontested leads.
Rank non triers, drifting in the betting and not put in the race with a chance.
Drifters falling out of the stalls with or without their hoods left on.
Horses being deliberately sent off too hard after drifting markedly in the late exchanges.
Horses being allowed to run after falling over backwards a minute before the start.
A fixture list that has spiralled beyond all control.
Above leading to declining field sizes and the ensuing "integrity issues"
A level of prizemoney that is frankly a laughing stock
Bookmakers who will not lay a bet to anyone they even suspect of being a winning punter.
Have I missed anything?
Heavily backed winners handed uncontested leads.
Rank non triers, drifting in the betting and not put in the race with a chance.
Drifters falling out of the stalls with or without their hoods left on.
Horses being deliberately sent off too hard after drifting markedly in the late exchanges.
Horses being allowed to run after falling over backwards a minute before the start.
A fixture list that has spiralled beyond all control.
Above leading to declining field sizes and the ensuing "integrity issues"
A level of prizemoney that is frankly a laughing stock
Bookmakers who will not lay a bet to anyone they even suspect of being a winning punter.
Have I missed anything?
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"Excited at the news of another AW track at Newcastle"
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Oh, and the ridiculous cramming of nearly every race on to Saturdays. The Sport is dying a slow, painful death and they seem powerless or disinclined to even try and stop it.
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Above should say nearly every high quality race.
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Banning the exchanges would help.
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Barton Bank, the problem is that the money isn't in maintaining the integrity of this sport any more.
Under the gross profits deal, the money is now in making life as difficult as possible for those betting on it... |
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There's some truth in that. However there might be more gross profits if they sorted out the fixture list and dealt with some of the integrity issues. People know what is going on and are turned off from the game as a result.
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1830 that would be a way forward no question about it.
when we had the jockey club many wanted to get rid of them its a case of be careful what you wish for. |
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The horses raced 4 wide and no questions asked.
The blatant drugs issue. The misuse of pacemakers. The inconsistency over stewards enquiries, some thrown out some keep it for very similar offences. |
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Barton Bank, the more I see this sport being devolved to suit the commercial agendas of the bookmakers, the more I think that the over matched executives who run British racing now believe they shouldn't really care much about anything other than increasing betting profitability - especially now the bookmaking industry have managed to get their own man heading up the BHA...
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when we had the jockey club many wanted to get rid of them its a case of be careful what you wish for.
The Jockey Club may have been amateurish, but they at least understood the importance of the history and heritage of this sport. The BHA, with a former bookmaking industry executive and the woeful Rod Street at the helm, are dismantling it on a daily basis, imo... |
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millhouse
I wasn't knocking the jockey club . |
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You can add in inaccurate going reports as well.
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I realised that Foxy, apologies if it comes across otherwise...
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nrs in handicaps is a bug bearer of mine 8 to 7 runners 16 to 15 runners happens to often in my point of view
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You forgot........
the blatant misuse of price changes to create/increase rule 4's. |
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The above two things are financially beneficial for British Racing...
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seriously disillusioned with Racing for at least 4 years and many times I've said the BHA is merely a High St puppet that isn't fit for purpose. Appointing Rust merely confirmed it and that they don't care how blatant it looks. Misleading going reports, far too many meetings ergo pisspoor prize money that encourages stopping and laying as opposed to trying to win. Three day decs and the proliferation of A/W meeting as a staple diet for the punter. Two meetings per day Mon-Fri and four on Sat-Sun, summer season excepted when one evening meeting will suffice with two on a Saturday. Less meetings, more competitive races and larger fields for more prize money. Racing is run like the Greyhounds Bags service from yesteryear and will end up the same way.
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I can't stand all this bollocky racing with 5/6/7 runner races - despite virtually all midweek racing being piss-poor in quality, at least when there are sizeable fields it can be competitive, so you can sometimes sniff out a bit of value!
This shíte like today is ugly & unappealing stuff  |
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Racing is run like the Greyhounds Bags service from yesteryear and will end up the same way
Unless someone does something to halt the ongoing annexation of this sport and its media by the bookmakers, if you want a vision of horse racing's future, check out the greyhound racing industry now, imo... |
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PH - there are many people on here who've been real enthusiasts for years saying the same as you, in becoming disillusioned (over the last few years) with racing nowadays...myself included
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exactly, the festivals apart its nearly there millhouse.
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the bha have a cash co now from qatar.more money than sense bha pander th their every need and while they have them wellwe are just the mugs
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Can anyone think of anyone worse to lead our sport than Nick Rust? He's excited at the AW going in at Newcastle
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I don't follow the sport anywhere near like what I used to...it WAS a religion to me!
ATR really pissed me off a few years ago in totally changing their scheduling with those inane 'updates' (which were repeated on the hour, every hour) instead of the regular featured programmes which I could keep track of and set my timer for. It's reached the stage for me whereby I'm only really interested in the quality stuff at the weekends nowadays (with a few exceptions) and I can easily just walk away from the humdrum plums on offer every day...even though every now & again I get hoovered into it (mainly through boredom) on shítty days like today |
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Adamski, he's excited about the additional betting revenue he thinks all the extra meetings will generate - he doesn't give a flying one about the heritage of this sport...
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well horse racing betting turnover is down in shops and on course as punters are marginalised and disrespected by the BHA racing programme. Once the current over 40s babyboomers give up then thats it, the younger generation don't want horse racing at Towcester, Carlisle,Hereford,Hexham etc on a cold winters day. The High St doesn't want your money unless your a machine regular and honestly the enjoyment has gone from the game for me. It happened with the dogs around 2000 and the horses don't excite very often nowadays.
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no worries millhouse
adamski it takes a different type of person to get excited about aw racing at Newcastle or indeed anywhere. |
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ph, what got you interested - probably backing a winner.
How do the next generation get that first excitement when virtually every single race covered on terrestrial TV is now an impossible 15 runner handicap where they're 8-1 at best to find the winner...? |
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all you here crowds up take the bands away in the summer and things would be a whole lot different
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ph: Even if the younger generation did want racing at Hereford, the opportunity's gone now.
Is the BHA really to blame for the fixture overload though? I thought legal challenges from the racecourses meant the BHA had lost control in that area. |
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my Dad, two Grandads and having 2 bob on the ITV 7 in mid 70s from the age of 8 or 9 developing to 10 x 5p trebles out of my paper round money from 12 onwards. The old man loved The Pig, the others were Joe Mercer and Dr Vincent fans. Trips to Warwick ,Stratford, Leicester and dogs at Brandon, Perry Barr,Hall Green and Hinckley were fairly regular as a kid.
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for the moderate stuff we need a 'random jockey selection' , all those wanting rides are drawn out of a hat the day before
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why do the bha havew a 'contact us' email address? last 2 ive sent didnt even get a responce...pathetic service imo.
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Jockeys failing to ride out for the best possible placing.
Far too many none runners, day after day. Especially where there is a draw bias. Handicap banding not wide enough. Horses given handicap ratings that have no right to be on a racecourse. Class 7 races. The courses could help as well by offering better facilities for owners (some notable exceptions) and not ripping off their customers with outrageous food and drink prices. |
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ok its ireland but nr 16 down to 15 runners what a surprise
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'failing to ride out/insufficient effort' slap an instant 7lbs on as if it was the winner. it'll stop em overnight
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I have been punting on racing for over 20 years and owned horses for over a decade. The state of the game has never been more parlous. I honestly believe that it is heading the way of Greyhound Racing and doing so rapidly.
Fewer and fewer people want to bet on it and the fixture list being flooded with more and more low grade bilge is not going to entice peole to do so. It seems as it the Bookmakers/BHA actually believe that more racing means more turnover. It really doesn't. People only have a limited amount of cash to bet with and having more races does not increase that. Then there is the matter of people who are turned off by the sheer amount of wall to wall racing and decide to switch to other sports. Stupidity, dogma and ineptitiude plague the sport at every turn. It is doomed. |
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horses pulling out of 16 and 8 horse fields at the last minute a shocking ommishun imho
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Yep, has been going on for years and it is generally a rag. Doesn't really affect me as I couldn't get an each way bet of any value on but you're right.
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