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firstimevisor
09 Jun 15 17:10
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Did a £3 ew Lucky 15 on Friday last. Their prices 8-1, 11-2, 9-4, 9-4.  Actual SP returns were 20-1, 6-1, 4-1, 9-4. First 3 horses won, last one unplaced. Expected to collect 3300 but instead paid 2100.
Bet settled at early prices 1100 plus 1000 (max limit on bonus guarantee!!)  Came away with 1225 less than SP. If the last horse had won I would have been 9500 down on SP.
Their early prices are a joke-by far the worst in the market-not in a million years would I take them if not guaranteed.
The screens in the shop were all advertising BOG for multis. Their PR man constantly announces over the speaker system " anybody doing multiples make sure and take the prices because you have absolutely nothing to lose...if the Sp is bigger we will pay that", but somewhere in the small print there is a 1000 max which they dont advertise.
For anyone not backing short price favs this guarantee is basically a scam. Best Odds Guaranteed my hole.
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Report s.kenbo June 9, 2015 5:19 PM BST
Disgusting.
Report Dav_vin03 June 9, 2015 5:54 PM BST
please take this up with IBAS

What did the shop staff say?
Report halcyon days June 9, 2015 6:08 PM BST
This is morally wrong, everybody knows what BOG means !



To apply a limit retrospectively is bordering on criminal!


Fair enough, some bookmakers apply restrictions ( singles, doubles etc), but to advertise multi's are paid at BOG, and then apply a £1000 limit beggars belief !  Trade descriptions should be informed !
Report firstimevisor June 9, 2015 6:12 PM BST
I didnt accept payment. Shop staff said their hands were tied on the matter and to contact head office. Took an hour to get a supervisor and he passed the query on to the area manager. He then rang back today to say they were not paying out the balance as those were the rules
Report MJK June 9, 2015 6:16 PM BST
Aren't the BOG on multiples only between certain hours, 12-1 I think?
Report saddo June 9, 2015 6:18 PM BST
If it's written in the terms they've done nowt wrong, always read the terms. Wd with the bet, op.
Report firstimevisor June 9, 2015 6:20 PM BST
Yes between 12 an 1 and again between 5 and 6 but some shops, including this one gives so called BOG all day
Report 1st time poster June 9, 2015 6:20 PM BST
was the 8,s to 20,s drifter omera,s at catt ,my work mate backed it at laddies and took 10,s was gutted had 20 on thought he,d said goodbye to another 200 but when he went to collect,un be known to him he,d placed his bet after 5 during happy hour and collected the lot 420
Report s.kenbo June 9, 2015 6:27 PM BST
They should be made to advertise it as BOG with a £1000 maximum bonus.
Report firstimevisor June 9, 2015 6:30 PM BST
Yes,signorina roseina. Saddo, the fact is they are not guaranteeing their board prices for multiples. They are guaranteeing them if your bet goes down. What they are guaranteeing is an extra 1000 above their own board prices if the Sps are bigger( which they are in the vast majority of cases) There is a considerable difference. It is not right. It is false advertising
Report MJK June 9, 2015 6:33 PM BST
Pathetic stuff. Similar to these 'money back if you finish second deals. It's not money back, it's another bet. And if it wins they keep the stake.
Report Dav_vin03 June 9, 2015 6:34 PM BST
please write to the racing post letters section
Report ashleigh June 9, 2015 6:56 PM BST
you need to speak to the man on here who posts as paul haigh total respect,looked into a lot punter disputes with bookmakers and had some good results.
Report xmoneyx June 9, 2015 6:59 PM BST
I bet multiples over a year  lad croaks and was never told this restriction

Shoooking
Report Dav_vin03 June 9, 2015 7:03 PM BST
If anything, this evil practise will only encourage Ladcrooks to continue with their industry worst early prices.
Report flukes June 9, 2015 7:08 PM BST
Strongly suggest you send a PM to Paul Haigh - Total Respect on here. He is very good in dealing with this sort of filth on behalf of ripped off punters
Report broadsword June 9, 2015 7:29 PM BST
this sort of  jiggery pokery should be in the press/on the morning line....and a ladcroke rep grilled by the likes of the much missed big mac.....DISGUSTING
Report slickster June 9, 2015 7:37 PM BST
These creatures have been getting away with whatever they like for a long long time. Some laws need bringing in to stop this thievery. They want EVERYTHING their own way ALL the time.
Report SlippyBlue June 9, 2015 7:43 PM BST
Absolutely diabolical behaviour, a new low even for Ladbrokes.
Report enpassant June 9, 2015 7:47 PM BST
Ladbrokes: My sister placed a r/f on the dogs. It came csf paid £25. When she went to collect they said the bet was late and returned her stake. She refused to take it and went through a number of supervisors on the phone. She kicked up a storm (if they knew her they could have saved themselves the aggro!)and they paid up. If you 'lose' in such corcumstances at Ladbrokes they DON'T tell you it was void cos it was late but if it 'wins' they tell you it's void. THE WORST bookmakers to punters and staff.
Report saddo June 9, 2015 8:02 PM BST
s.kenbo    09 Jun 15 18:27 
They should be made to advertise it as BOG with a £1000 maximum bonus.



Every shop door and website should carry a sign "Winners will not be allowed to bet", but they don't.
Report SlippyBlue June 9, 2015 8:04 PM BST
A late bet that has been voided and subsequently a losing slip will be a sleeper that will never be collected unless you have a manager from the old school who has the balls to tell you, it's not encouraged to put it mildly.
Report THE-GHOST-OF-DICKIE-BIRD June 9, 2015 9:00 PM BST
Ladbrokes in freefall
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Disgusting
Report THE-GHOST-OF-DICKIE-BIRD June 9, 2015 9:00 PM BST
Ladbrokes in freefall
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Disgusting
Report firstimevisor June 10, 2015 11:15 AM BST
The thing is,if Ladcrooks are claiming they offer "BEST ODDS GUARANTEED" (for 1000), can they claim "BEST ODDS GUARANTEED" ( for 500) or even "BEST ODDS GUARANTEED" (for 100)??
Isn't it like claiming "I'M RUNNING A MARATHON" (for one mile)
Report saddo June 10, 2015 11:23 AM BST
Most of these offers are to lure in the casual punter. Shoddy stuff from laddies but hardly surprising. Anyone betting regularly on here should be streetwise enough to check T+C,s on ANY offer.
Report Paul Haigh - Total Respect June 10, 2015 11:52 AM BST
@firstimevisor - If you drop me an email I'd be happy to help pursue this for you.

betdisputeadvice@gmail.com
Report Magic__Daps June 10, 2015 12:05 PM BST
saddo - I get what you are saying and they know they will probably get away with the odd rant for anyone who does get hit with the maximum. Any offers I see I try to read the T&Cs as it's generally different than what you are expecting.

But surely when it is being offered over a speaker in their hundreds of shops they should at least quote "terms and conditions apply"? They do everything they can to hide away all of the T&Cs, any other business would surely (or should) be pulled up on it.

No doubt their rep will get interrogated on his next appearance about their shoddy prices and underhand tactics.....


PS - Good luck PH-TR
Report swift-tuttle June 10, 2015 1:12 PM BST
what were the horses?

I'd like to check how much BFSP multiples would have paid.
Report Big Boss June 10, 2015 1:49 PM BST
look forward to a follow up on this if the OP goes through Paul, good luck Cool
Report firstimevisor June 10, 2015 7:39 PM BST
Swift tuttle the horses were Signorina Roseina 5.20, Cristys Call 6.45, Kingfisher 7.05, Sand Artist(lost) 7.55
Report swift-tuttle June 10, 2015 9:52 PM BST
26.92    1.296    25.624    4524.41    4479.41
8.84    0.392    8.448       
5.21    0.2105    4.9995       
               
7    0.3    6.7    282.72    237.72
3.41    0.1205    3.2895       
1.93    0.0465    1.8835

Total staked 90.00
Total return on BFSP multiples 4,717.13
Report swift-tuttle June 10, 2015 9:53 PM BST
That should read

Total profit on BFSP multiples 4,717.13
Report firstimevisor June 10, 2015 10:38 PM BST
Thats interesting swift, i really need to educate myself more on BFSP multis. Cheers
Report Ted Brogan June 11, 2015 11:45 AM BST
No mention of any limits for online bets:

http://help.ladbrokes.com/display/4/kb/article.aspx?aid=5636&n=1&docid=45357&tab=search
Report Ted Brogan June 11, 2015 11:51 AM BST
Does anyone have a copy of/link to shop T's and C's? Can't find them anywhere online
Report noballs June 11, 2015 12:04 PM BST
try contacting paul fairhead
Report flukes June 11, 2015 1:01 PM BST
Paul has already offered to assist as per his post on this thread yesterday at 11.52 (Paul Haigh - Total Respect)
Report Brian June 11, 2015 2:09 PM BST
The sad thing is that nobody is surprised by these things anymore. Little morality to be found in High St. or Internet bookmakers generally.
Report firstimevisor June 11, 2015 4:02 PM BST
flukes, i emailed on the details to paul. If anything comes of it I'll post it here
Report TheGoddess June 11, 2015 7:00 PM BST
What is more, when you go to Laddies between 12 and 1 the shop staff are forcefully asking you to take the prices - they tell me they have to hit targets.

What if you exceed 1000 excess but you never wanted the prices anyway - how do we stand there - I wonder?

Taking the prices or not SHOULD BE A CHOICE

I have actually seen people walk away from the counter because they think taking prices jinxes their bet and even see people sitting in shop, bets written out, but wait until after 1 before putting them on.
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