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WHITWHITLAW
01 Jun 15 08:51
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Jockeypedia is two years old today.
It now has just over 1,500 British jockeys.
If you've never visited the site, just write Jockeypedia into your search engine address bar.
Let me know what you think of the site at Jockeypedia@yahoo.co.uk
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Report koikeeper June 1, 2015 9:15 AM BST
A great site, I have visited it loads of time in the last year, A credit to you, if indeed it is your site?
Report salmon spray June 1, 2015 9:40 AM BST
I believe it is koi and I think he basically does it all himself. It's a very important contribution to a sport which is not well documented on the net.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet June 1, 2015 9:42 AM BST
Happy birthday!

Just out of interest, I clicked on Fred Archer's page. On it, it says that Archer's first win under rules came at Bangor-on-Dee. However, wikipedia (which I have no doubt is less reliable!) states that his first win 'under Jockey Club rules' came at my hometown of Chesterfield's long-defunct racecourse. Don't suppose you could educate me further...
Report sparrow June 1, 2015 9:43 AM BST
Excellent site for anyone remotely interested in Horse racing.
Report salmon spray June 1, 2015 9:57 AM BST
Can't help you Mikael but that is what I meant about poor documentation on the net. Fred Archer was probably the best and certainly the best known British jockey of the 19th century,the cricketing equivalent would be W G Grace. You will not find those sort of contradictions about him.
Report ged June 1, 2015 10:02 AM BST
Mikael - Wiki has it that Archer rode his first winner at Bangor in 1870, but, Welsh history (and Bangor's page) has it gthat he won there in 1868, when aged 10, on a pony called Maid of trent in a race (confined to ponies) over 2 miles of the steeplechase course. His first flat win came in 1870.
Report ged June 1, 2015 10:03 AM BST
..and Happy Birthday Jockeypedia. Great work George.
Report salmon spray June 1, 2015 10:05 AM BST
Apart from jockeypedia the best historical racing documentation can be found on here,courtesy of people like ged,blackbarn and onlooker    Happy
Report ged June 1, 2015 10:10 AM BST
Here's Bangor's page, with reference to Archer's win, and the year...

http://www.bangorondeeraces.co.uk/about-us/history-0


But you'd really need to find a newspaper to be sure of the truth.
Report ged June 1, 2015 10:17 AM BST
Here's a link which shows within it a scan of the result of Archer's win at Chesterfield, a 2yo hcap,  (and also talks, though it's just 'apparently' about him winning 2 years earlier at Bangor)...

http://blog.nhrm.co.uk/index.php/guest-blog-searching-for-a-big-jemima/
Report ged June 1, 2015 10:18 AM BST
sorry, I don't mean to divert attention from George's Jockeypedia, which is a tremendous effort, and much-needed internet reference.
Report workrider June 1, 2015 10:34 AM BST
One of the best things to happen for racing fans of ALL ages. A credit to you,well done Sir.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet June 1, 2015 11:09 AM BST
Many thanks, ged.
Report forgotmyusername June 1, 2015 11:24 AM BST
Happy birthday Jockeypedia, great work and the "this day 50 years ago" brings me back to me first following the sport with all the jockeys bringing back memeories. If it is you Whitwhitlaw behind it, take a bow.
Report WHITWHITLAW June 1, 2015 11:40 AM BST
Hello Everyone,

Thanks for you good wishes regarding Jockeypedia. You're very kind.
I can confirm that George Wheeler (me) and Whit Whitlaw are one and the same person and that Jockeypedia is, indeed, a one-man band.

Regarding Fred Archer and Maid of Trent: the story in Jockeypedia on Fred Archer's page is correct, but to confirm it  I've just had a quick look at his biography by John Welcome.

Here's a paragraph from page 21...'Mrs Willan was just at that moment searching for a lightweight to ride her well-known pony Maid of Trent in a steeplechase at Bangor. She went to Mat Dawson to ask for his recommendation and to secure his permission for Fred Archer to ride. Both were willingly given. Weighing out at the well-nigh incredible figure of 4 st 11 lbs young Archer duly won the race for her. So the great jockey's first victory under any rules was at the age of twelve in a steeplechase...(at Bangor)'

I hope that tidies things up. Incidentally, I'm glad you like 50 Years Ago Today....
Report blackbarn June 1, 2015 11:47 AM BST
Happy birthday and thanks from me tooWink  A true tour de force.
Report stu June 1, 2015 11:51 AM BST
Interesting stuff, but guessing this is all only historical? Not current jocks?
Report workrider June 1, 2015 11:58 AM BST
George, for Gods sake get that Stable lads story finished,read it over breakfast only to find the words,to be continued.Devil
Report blackbarn June 1, 2015 12:00 PM BST
Stu - the point is that stuff on current jockeys is easily available from loads of sources, a lot of the stuff on the site is/was only available on paper or in the minds of those old enough to remember. The achievement of getting all this stuff on one site is a staggering achievement.
Report koikeeper June 1, 2015 12:04 PM BST
The achievement of getting all this stuff on one site is a staggering achievement

Couldnt agree more.
Report blackbarn June 1, 2015 12:04 PM BST
Ray Goldsteins birthday todayHappy - the "iron man of Plumpton" and sire of jockeys - Seems he rode 65 winners at "lumpto", I don't know but I would guess only Josh (defo.), AP and possibly Johnson have exceeded that.
Report forgotmyusername June 1, 2015 12:58 PM BST
Whit (George), regarding the 75, 50, 25 years ago etc, where do you get the papers from? Are they available to all and sundry because if so would love to read some others from yesteryear.
Report ged June 1, 2015 1:48 PM BST
George - it's interesting reading the piece from 75 years ago today (June 1) where the writer says that 'a small boy named Winter, aged 13' rode his first winner at Salisbury the day before on Tam O'Shanter, whereas your article on Fred, and others on the web, say he won on the horse at Newbury on May 15, 2 weeks earlier.

It would appear the writer of the piece on June 1 (in the Times?) has it wrong.

I presume you could check with the results for May 15?
Report WHITWHITLAW June 1, 2015 6:47 PM BST
ged - Well spotted! The date of Fred Winter's first win should indeed read Friday May 31.

Stu - I don't write about current jockeys. If I did I'd have to keep updating them. For example, I wrote about Leighton Aspell when he first retired. Then he came back and won the national. So I updated a second time. Then he won another National and I've got to update his entry for a third time. It's best to wait until their careers are over.

workrider - I'll have a look at the stable lads story.

Thanks everybody!

George
Report workrider June 1, 2015 6:50 PM BST
Thanks George.
Report onlooker June 1, 2015 6:57 PM BST
With regard to salmon spray's observation of racing being, "not well documented on the net." ...

A differing terminology to the words 'not WELL' - would apply to the Wikipedia entry for AP McCOY -

The photograph has him wearing Michael TABOR's colours - for goodness sake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_McCoy
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